I'm sorry, but need some ideas.....
You know how everyone who is not in your innermost circle asks you "so, your 'ok' tho, right?"
How does one answer that?
I feel i cannot find the words to condense what diagnosis and varied treatment and the PERMANENT life change that B/C brings, into one brief reply.
All i know is to respond with "I'm fine" is a lie.....!?
What can someone who is kind enuf to inquire, handle for an answer?.... and what response is one that can reflect the 45,000 posts on this web site??????
Please share your "one liners".... 1)the ones you say, and 2)the ones you WISH you could say...
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leaf Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,944 |
Oct 10, 2009 02:54 pm, edited Oct 10, 2009 02:57 PM
by leaf
leaf wrote:
I've seen some women say, "I'm doing as well as can be expected." and change the subject if you don't want to go into the details. When I've felt very vulnerable, I've just ignored them. I don't know if I recommend that or not. It probably depends on the relationship you have with the person. I'm sure there are more clever people on this site than I; I'd like to follow this thread. If you're going through hell, keep going-Winston Churchill
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leftyAKAnan
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 2,871 |
Oct 10, 2009 02:55 pm
leftyAKAnancy wrote:
Couple of ones I have used or thought of using: -- Am I defined by ONLY having gone thru chemo, surgery and BC diagnosis (thought this,never spoke it) -- I have been better, I have been worse. - Dont ask - Do you REALLY want to know? -- Thanks for asking (then walk away) Diagnosis: 5/2/2008, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ |
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leftyAKAnan
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 2,871 |
Oct 10, 2009 02:57 pm
leftyAKAnancy wrote:
or thought this one, but not gutsy enough to say: OK = Overall Krappy Diagnosis: 5/2/2008, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ |
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aprilgirl1 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 511 |
Oct 10, 2009 03:02 pm, edited Oct 10, 2009 03:09 PM
by aprilgirl1
aprilgirl1 wrote:
hmmm I don't know what is worse the "you're ok, right?" OR "how ARE you???" said in a very concerned hushed voice....... No, I am not okay, but I am not going to pass out right in front of you either..... I keep hoping that "this too, shall pass" and I will be able to shrug off the identification as the woman with cancer, to the woman who is many things Diagnosis: 11/7/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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Leah_S Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 666 |
Oct 10, 2009 03:06 pm
Leah_S wrote:
If I think the person is asking out of concern, I usually say "Good days and bad days" and thank them for asking. The ones who just ask out of cuiriosity or because they think they have to ask I just say, "OK, thanks" since it's not really an answer. The really good friends know. Leah Diagnosis: 11/3/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 6/17 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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aprilgirl1 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 511 |
Oct 10, 2009 03:10 pm
aprilgirl1 wrote:
Leah - I completely agree - the good friends really do know! In general, people mean well - some are not sure what to say... Diagnosis: 11/7/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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gracie1 Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 113 |
Oct 10, 2009 03:11 pm
gracie1 wrote:
"yes, I'm o.k. except for that CANCER thingy". |
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hollyann Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,391 |
Oct 10, 2009 03:24 pm
hollyann wrote:
Well, I'm not ok either........And I am sick to death of people thinking WRONGLY that just because I am through surgery and treatment (which was only more surgery) that I should be my old self again.....Well, I'm sorry but IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!....The old me is gone for good and the new me is still tring to figure out who she is......So what do I say when someone asks?.....I just say I'm getting by or I say I can't complain cause no body wants to hear it!........Will I EVER be the same again?.....No...But I can learn to live with the new me..........Thanks for letting me vent.......Only in this sanctuary can I truly say how I feel..... Hugs and love, Lucy also dx with DCIS grade 2 er/pr + her2 neg
Diagnosis: 1/15/2007, IDC, 1cm, Stage Ib, Grade 1, 0/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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LittleRed Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 207 |
Oct 10, 2009 03:25 pm
LittleRed wrote:
That question is right up there with something I get all the time; "Gee...you look great..." I'm not sure what they are expecting me to look like. I feel like saying "Thank you, that's great 'cause I feel like s_ _t"! (Not to mention when I look in the mirror, I am not impressed nor am I happy.) I usually just stop at "thank you". I'm not sure what the best response is to your question. People don't know what to say sometimes. I know they don't mean to offend or put me on the spot. They are trying to show concern. I usually respond something to the effect of: "I'm doing everything there is to be done. I have wonderful doctors, and I have great support from my family and friends." I'm not looking for sympathy, but I'm not going to lie either. They might as well hear it straight. If it makes them uncomfortable, well then I guess they shouldn't ask questions they don't want to hear the answers to. 1st dx; L-mx 4/29/09; Recon start 4/29/09 L-exp, R-imp, LAP & imp pending; 4*AC +/ 4* T finished 9/2/09; Rad 33 starts 9/28/09; Tamox start 10/1/09
Diagnosis: 3/6/2009, ILC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 5/15 nodes, ER+, HER2- |
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LittleRed Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 207 |
Oct 10, 2009 03:27 pm
LittleRed wrote:
gracie1: That's the best!! 1st dx; L-mx 4/29/09; Recon start 4/29/09 L-exp, R-imp, LAP & imp pending; 4*AC +/ 4* T finished 9/2/09; Rad 33 starts 9/28/09; Tamox start 10/1/09
Diagnosis: 3/6/2009, ILC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 5/15 nodes, ER+, HER2- |
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leftyAKAnan
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 2,871 |
Oct 10, 2009 03:29 pm
leftyAKAnancy wrote:
Don't your just LOVE the "you look great", when you feel like you have been in the bottom of a trash dumpster? I know each of you will relate to this. What did I look like before if this is "great"??? And those days when you do feel sort of great, not one single person comments... Oh well, such is this journey. Hugs and smilies for everyone, Nancy Diagnosis: 5/2/2008, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ |
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LittleRed Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 207 |
Oct 10, 2009 03:34 pm
LittleRed wrote:
leftyAKAnancy: You're absolutely right - if this is an improvement over what I looked like before ...? Oh dear... 1st dx; L-mx 4/29/09; Recon start 4/29/09 L-exp, R-imp, LAP & imp pending; 4*AC +/ 4* T finished 9/2/09; Rad 33 starts 9/28/09; Tamox start 10/1/09
Diagnosis: 3/6/2009, ILC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 5/15 nodes, ER+, HER2- |
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Blundin2005
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 938 |
Oct 10, 2009 03:37 pm, edited Oct 10, 2009 03:39 PM
by Blundin2005
Blundin2005 wrote:
Well I for one like your answer. And if it is your honest answer, even better. I notice that you are class of 2008. Speaking for myself, class of 2005, it took me a long time to let this question roll off my back. Even thought they now call cancer a treatable disease, which it is like the others that kill, it is nonetheless a hard pill to swallow. To say that it gets better .... well the process helps us progress and move forward. How other people think about it becomes less and less important to me. And when people get too close to my "button" I simply tell them the truth of how I feel. It's their responsibility after that to deal or not deal with it. My plate has it's own menu. Come here when you reach the end of your rope because we understand more than others in most cases. Come here and scream in anger if you need to....because it's natural. I send you good thoughts, and white light, and wishes for peace in your heart ... words that fall so short for the compassion you need....but the spirit is real. However you understand this message....know that we care about how you feel....really. Best wishes to all as always, Marilyn DX 15 Aug '05, Stage1/grade1, 1.5 cm, IDC/DCIS, 0/2 nodes, ER+PR-,HER2 5% Dx Oct 2008 bladder papilloma low grade
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hollyann Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,391 |
Oct 10, 2009 03:39 pm
hollyann wrote:
Lefty AMEN!....I get that You look great! all the time!.....This following the How are you question!.....
Hugs and love, Lucy also dx with DCIS grade 2 er/pr + her2 neg
Diagnosis: 1/15/2007, IDC, 1cm, Stage Ib, Grade 1, 0/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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Mouser Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 141 |
Oct 10, 2009 03:48 pm
Mouser wrote:
After my mastectomy in August '08 i was depressed for months. And angry. So when people asked how i was, i said - physically fine, mentally not good. If i thought they really cared, i explained: hate being lopsided, depressed, etc. I know that people who haven't seen me in a while usually mean: is the cancer gone?. So when i feel up to educating, i say something like -- well, since it was invasive, there's always a chance of a recurrence, but i'm fine. I may elaborate on that, or not ... depends on the person, the circumstances, how i feel... But since the mastectomy, i've stopped saying i'm fine -- i'm not. i don't feel fine, i don't look fine, and it sucks. This is not to suggest that i don't know i'm one of the luckier ones in this club, but just to encourage others who also feel that it sucks to not pretend otherwise -- unless you want to. In which case, more power to you. Whatever works,say it. mouser - IDC 0.5 cm + DCIS 1 cm, 2007; Stage 1, grade 2, ER+PR-, Her-; lumpectomy, rads, letrozole. More calcs 2008; mastectomy.
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leftyAKAnan
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 2,871 |
Oct 10, 2009 03:50 pm, edited Oct 10, 2009 03:50 PM
by leftyAKAnancy
leftyAKAnancy wrote:
My DS commented the other day, Mom, you never say "great" when I ask how you are. I told him that pretty good is as good as I can go now. My days of "greatness" are over. Although the talk of grandbaby due in March is getting close to great. Know what I mean? I love the way no one here is "shy" about telling it like it is. No hurt feelings and no chastizement (is that a real word?) I luvs you all, Nancy Diagnosis: 5/2/2008, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ |
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LILLY1955 Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 8 |
Oct 10, 2009 04:05 pm, edited Oct 10, 2009 04:11 PM
by LILLY1955
LILLY1955 wrote:
I always say "I'm good TODAY, thanks" Enough said Extensive DCIS w/IDC L breast: DCIS /IDC >1cm R breast ER+PR+, HER-
Diagnosis: 8/15/2008, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, 2/9 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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LILLY1955 Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 8 |
Oct 10, 2009 04:18 pm
LILLY1955 wrote:
dcis and idc in right breast was LESS than 1cm Hit the wrong button. Lilly1955
Diagnosis: 8/15/2008, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, 2/9 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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ymb Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 335 |
Oct 10, 2009 04:22 pm
ymb wrote:
The truth shall set you free, so, I'm telling it like it is. If asked, I tell the truth. I have said "I'm feeling shitty, but I sincerely appreciate you asking. Maybe, just maybe, one of these days,... the next Einstein will ask me, how I am. My answer might prompt or shock, (depending upon how you look at it) that person into contributing in some way, to the demise of all cancers. Angel ------------- My beautiful Mom & precious baby Sister, I hold you in my heart, until I can hold you in my arms, when we meet, again. Both passed away after brief battles with BC in 08 & 09
Diagnosis: 5/2008, 6cm+, Stage IV, Grade 3, 1/8 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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Analemma Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,712 |
Oct 10, 2009 04:27 pm
Analemma wrote:
I've been pretty rough lately, so I usually say "fair." Or sometime, "still vertical." I'm probably the only Stage IV to answer this thread, and most of the people who ask are family, since I don't work anymore and stay home mostly. It's hard when I remember always answering "great" or "outstanding" because I really felt that way. But that was BC and those days are over. Children are the living messages we send to a time we will not see. --John W. Whitehead
Diagnosis: 12/10/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 5/12 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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idaho Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 953 |
Oct 10, 2009 04:55 pm
idaho wrote:
That is like -- "you look great- are you cured?" WTF???? My answer is and has been -"there is NO CURE for cancer - some people live longer with it than others". When asked how I am I usually say- "changed" or "different" or " I know things now that I never wanted to know". Tami There's no place like home......There's no place like home
Diagnosis: 2/1/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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DonnaDio Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 459 |
Oct 10, 2009 05:26 pm
DonnaDio wrote:
What a great thread!!!Probably cause I am at wits end and reading everyone;s posts here. is I agree to all of you!!! How I shut people up or at least got them to see what i went thru on some level,,was taking my wig off at 2 mos! It is now 4 mos. I was wearing the wig so others would think it was all ok and not to gross them out!WELL.. it hit me one day as one more person said.. You look sooo good. That was it as i felt the anger and knowing i will never be the same Donna!!! NOW.. i am just me. Still trying to figure out where my new normal is like everyone else. My joints kill me, sleep is rough and feel crappy. It is a journey and one that takes each day at a time, and try to live it the best we can. I am no where near an understanding of what is next for me as emotionally and physically i just want to feel some level of oneness and that would be good enough for me!! Just love how some of you worded the conversations with the Idioits!!!It is all soooo true!!!So glad i found this as it is where i need to be right now!!!!!I I did walk the Susan G. K omen race in Chicago a few weeks ago and it was awesome to be around the Sisters in Pink and be accepted as me!!! The fact we are here is enough to know we can get thru this together and with some level of grace..Are we cured.. oh that question just scares me, as how uninformed people really are and that is something i hope they never have to find out on, as they are goin to have a rude awakening!!! No more hiding and no more delusions.. when i am not fine, I am not fine and not sugar coating it anymore!!!! Donna Donna Life isn't about waitng for the storm to pass, It's about learning to dance in the rain.
Diagnosis: 11/21/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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She Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 145 |
Oct 10, 2009 05:32 pm, edited Oct 10, 2009 05:35 PM
by She
She wrote:
My current favorite: "Be careful what you ask me, my edit button is broken." Some people are genuinely concerned and simply don't know what to say, I try to answer them honestly and educate them. Others want to share the worst possible stories. There's a whole other group who provide you with all sorts of info on 'cures'; and then there's those who want to provide religious enlightenment. Since my edit button is broken, when provoked I have no problem sticking my fingers in my ears and singing LA LA LA LA in a high shrill voice. I may have to suffer this disease, but I sure don't have to suffer fools and idiots. Edited to add: When I was bald I took mooning to a whole new level. If someone ticked me off I'd 'flip my lid' at them. That put big tough he-men to their knees and left me ROFL. One has to find amusement where they can when dealing with this krappy disease. |
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ymb Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 335 |
Oct 10, 2009 05:38 pm
ymb wrote:
That's soooo true Donna!!! I am not fine and I won't sugar coat it anymore!!!! That's if it isn't my Dad asking. If Dad asks I'm great xoxo AngelAngel ------------- My beautiful Mom & precious baby Sister, I hold you in my heart, until I can hold you in my arms, when we meet, again. Both passed away after brief battles with BC in 08 & 09
Diagnosis: 5/2008, 6cm+, Stage IV, Grade 3, 1/8 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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dlb823 Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,055 |
Oct 10, 2009 06:12 pm
dlb823 wrote:
This is an excellent, much-needed thread, and like Donna, I like and agree with what so many have already said. I guess if someone knows me well and really cares asks how I'm doing, I'm not shy about saying something like, "I'm fine now -- as long as it doesn't come back, which is always the lingering concern." I guess for some reason, right now I still need to share with them that the emotional battle isn't over for me yet. On the other hand, when an acquaintance or someone I'm not close to asks how I'm doing or comments on how great I look, my response is pretty much along the lines of, "Thank you, I'm doing great," because unless they've had a serious illness and can truly relate to us on that level, I don't think they want to hear about our aches and pains and scars or fears, nor can they really grasp what we've been through even if we were to tell them. I just think until you've had a serious illness yourself, there's a huge information gap that nothing we can say is going to fill, and so it probably comes across as a combination of complaining and medical jargoneese that they just won't get anyway. Deanna "The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears" Native American proverb
Diagnosis: 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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charmd Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 101 |
Oct 10, 2009 06:18 pm
charmd wrote:
I had one idiot ask me "How are you -- surviving?" My answer was "What's the alternative?" I agree most people just don't know what to say. I agree with Leah - the people who matter know, and the others are trying to be polite. My standard response is "I can always use another prayer" and leave it at that. I may have lost my hair and my tits, but I know that I am destined to be an old woman with no regrets.
Diagnosis: 1/24/2009, IDC, 5cm, Stage IIIc, Grade 3, 9/17 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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LittleRed Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 207 |
Oct 10, 2009 06:42 pm
LittleRed wrote:
When I have heard friends in the past say, "Oh I hate turning 40" or " I can't believe I'm this old", I've always replied, "Well it beats the alternative". It s@#$s , but I really know what that means now. I feel like if I say that now, I will be saying too much...I don't want to say "I'm angry and scared and I don't want this disease to get me now. Wait until I'm 100 and ready." 1st dx; L-mx 4/29/09; Recon start 4/29/09 L-exp, R-imp, LAP & imp pending; 4*AC +/ 4* T finished 9/2/09; Rad 33 starts 9/28/09; Tamox start 10/1/09
Diagnosis: 3/6/2009, ILC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 5/15 nodes, ER+, HER2- |
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Pamelajo Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 145 |
Oct 10, 2009 06:59 pm
Pamelajo wrote:
I just say "I'm Great, how are you?" I've only ever had one or two people go on to complain about something trivial wrong with them. You don't complain about a headache or the price of gas to the chick with booblette cancer Bi lateral mastectomy 7/29/09 (looking forward to Ds eventually). No family history. BC is a secondary cancer from earlier Hodgkins lymphoma treatment. Began chemo 9/09/09
Diagnosis: 6/16/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage II, Grade 2, 2/21 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- |
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SoCalLisa Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,146 |
Oct 10, 2009 07:08 pm
SoCalLisa wrote:
I usually just say " I am here" Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance
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pj12345 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 599 |
Oct 10, 2009 07:11 pm
pj12345 wrote:
Just attended a class reunion of my husband's (second marriage - 25 years). I introduced myself to a female classmate of his and she said, "oh, you are _____ ______ 's trophy wife." Wow! There were days that would have offended the heck out of me but, given the rough last year, I found it extremely funny. I told my husband and said maybe she was thinking of the booby prize! For the record: I am not that much younger and he is not that rich! For people who knew me and knew about the BC... I got the "but you look great" remark. Well, I was doing my best in spite of it all. Does anyone ever say "well, you look awful!"? Now, that would be refreshing, if not a little disturbing. I actually appreciate direct, specific questions. Rarely does anyone ask a question that really shows actual interest. Mostly it is "how are you doing?" and I say, "I am surviving." There is no follow up on their part. I'd love it if someone said you must be so scared! I wonder what I used to say in their place? If you haven't been there, you just don't get it! Pam "Teach me your mood, oh patient stars, who climb each night the ancient sky" TX: Lumpectomy, 36 Radiation, Arimidex
Diagnosis: 3/3/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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