Topic: Alternative Treatment

Apr 19, 2012 02:12 AM Momine wrote:

Dune, how scary! I am glad you are OK, but I guess we can conclude that the profit motive is alive and well on both sides of the aisle and that we have to be vigilant about our treatments from all sources.

Apr 20, 2012 11:40 AM essiactea wrote:

I agreed with allison M as I has used alternative treatment like Essiac to support my immune system which is helpful instead of expensive medicines.

Apr 20, 2012 03:24 PM Kadia wrote:

Isn't essiac tea estrogenic? If so, not good for those of us who are ER+.

Apr 20, 2012 05:59 PM abigail48 wrote:

tripple ouch.  was it intravenous?  have to look again, but I don't do that either after 7 years of heroin, no thanks.  opiates by the way, the way most allopathy kill their patients, are regurgetants, that;s oksy, opens the bile ducts (& decalcifies the teeth), but it also constapates, & that as well as the lungs shutting down kills fast.

Apr 20, 2012 07:16 PM dunesleeper wrote:

Essiac tea is estrogenic. I returned what I had bought (unopened). The guy refunded my money but also enclosed a note saying "Whoever gave you this information was not correct. Women have been using Essiac for over 90 years with no side effecs as it is safe - natural - with no side effects and has been approved in writing by the FDA for over 11 years."  Printed on the paper is something from July 2001, saying "Phytoestrogens are estrogen-like chemicals found in plant foods such as beans, seeds, and grains. Foods made from soybeans have some of the highest levels of phytoestrogens and have been studied the most. In spite of initial optimism, it is not clear whether eating foods rich in phytoesgrogens decreases breast cancer risk."

Clearly, this man does not have ER+ breast cancer. LOL. I don't know if phytoestrogens are dangerous or not. However, my sense of the matter has me leaning AWAY from them for safety.

I think Essiac may be good for some cancers, but NOT breast cancer, particularly ER+.

May 3, 2012 01:27 PM abigail48 wrote:

wow.  you pulled survivors who have used only alternatives????????wow wow wow.  are you trying to make it difficult to post here except on conventional threads where we'll be subject to real horror stories.

joy:  in a very recent time magazine report it's been discovered that people who get dintal exrays have a much greater incidence of USUALLY, unquote non -cancerous brain tumors.

May 3, 2012 02:10 PM Ruby- wrote:

Sweetbean, I have repeatedly asked that you provide back up to your statement and you have repeatedly failed to do so - phytoestrogens are NOT beneficial for ER+

May 3, 2012 02:42 PM abigail48 wrote:

green tea is a phytoestogen:  there ar hundereds contained in fruits & vegetables, nearly all are benifical for health.  there's a linus pau;ing institude at the u of oregon I think, I researched this subject fairly recently

May 3, 2012 03:56 PM Ruby- wrote:

Abi, phytoestrogens as in food have both estrogen agonist and estrogen antagonist activity in different tissues. They don't work the same way as regular estrogen hormone.  However, phytoestrogenic herbs and supplements are a whole different issue and they are not recommended for ER pos breast cancer.  I have seen enough warnings out there to convince me.

Green tea is a miracle worker

Epidemiological data have suggested that EGCG may provide protective effects against hormone related cancers, namely breast or prostate cancer.

Researchers at the University of Murcia in Spain and the John Innes Center in Norwich, England have shown that EGCG prevents cancer cells from growing by binding to a specific enzyme. They showed for the first time that it inhibits the enzyme dihydrofolate reductase, which is a recognized, established target for anti-cancer drugs. Green tea has about five times as much EGCG as regular tea. Green tea has been suspected to decrease rates of certain cancers but scientists were not sure what compounds were involved or how they worked. Nor had they determined how much green tea a person would have to drink to have a beneficial effect. EGCG is probably just one of a number of anti-cancer mechanisms in green tea. EGCG targets multiple MMP-mediated cellular events in cancer cells and provides a new mechanism for the anticancer properties of that molecule. Understanding the basic principles by which EGCG inhibits tumour invasion and angiogenesis may lead to the development of new therapeutic strategies, in addition to supporting the role of green tea as a cancer chemopreventive agent.

Green tea helps protect against breast cancer by enhancing glucuronization of estrogens in the liver, a process through which estrogens are rendered inactive by being conjugated with glucuronic acid, a form in which they are excreted from the body. 

Also, a study done at the University of Shizuoka in Japan found that epigallocatechin gallate (in green tea) does in fact inhibit the secretion of collagenases by tumor cells (in this study, highly metastatic lung cancer cells), thus arresting their ability to invade normal tissue.

Now, I would stay that benefits outweigh the risks if green tea is estrogenic which I have not read so far 

May 3, 2012 04:09 PM Ruby- wrote:

May 3, 2012 04:19 PM Ruby- wrote:

May 3, 2012 05:47 PM abigail48 wrote:

you know I think it's red tea.  decaff, how does that compare?  the red part.  & bee propolis, how does it work for our trouble?  acidix? not? estrogenic? not?  I use bee pollen every day, pollen being a male substance

May 3, 2012 10:33 PM, edited May 3, 2012 10:38 PM by Ruby-

I'm glad to see that most ladies are very prudent about this issue and that you are a lone voice out there.

For those who have not followed the most recent discussions on soy, here are the links:

community.breastcancer.org/for...

community.breastcancer.org/for...

community.breastcancer.org/for...

May 3, 2012 11:40 PM Ang7 wrote:

Gosh Maud~

"you push your soy eating habits here."  Come on.  Sweetbean never pushed anything on anybody.

May 4, 2012 12:34 AM, edited May 4, 2012 12:34 AM by Nancynow

Hi ladies,

I posted the other day on another thread that my former Onc at UCLA advised soy intake is OK in moderation.  

You can look at a study from JAMA (Journal of American Medical Association) from 2009....results stated in part:  "In summary, in this population based prospective study, we found that soy food intake is safe and was associated with lower mortality and recurrence among breast cancer patients..."  "This study suggests that moderate soy food intake is safe and potentially beneficial for women with breast cancer".  I suggest you take a look.  If the link doesn't work, Google search "soy and breast cancer".

jama.ama-assn.org/content/302/...