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Posted on: Aug 8, 2011 08:32 AM
dougbrimor wrote:
Has anyone used alternative treatments such as Lorriane Day, Chris Beat Cancer, The Hallelujah Diet and skipped the cookie cutter 6 weeks of radiation and five years of Tamoifen? I am so confused , even the 2011 cancer book that the radaition department gave me in my red folder states that radiation can cause a second cancer, that they are working on improving these satatics. I read the whole book cover to cover and was just blown away by what they are admitting of these chemicals. Anyway, would like to know if anyone else is swinging on this bridge? Thanks
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May 3, 2012 10:38 PM Ang7 wrote:
Thank you Nancynow. Good article. I believe that Sweetbean also gave credible information with her findings...
May 3, 2012 10:47 PM Nancynow wrote:
Hi Ang, yes...Sweetbean is among my fave members. She always posts responsibly and is a calm voice of reason here, IMHO.
May 4, 2012 04:47 AM sweetbean wrote:
Thank you, ladies! *warm fuzzies*
Maud, I really don't think that voicing another opinion is stirring the pot. Stirring the pot is when someone comes on the board, says something like, "Chemo will kill you" or "Alt medicine is for idiots" and then leaves. Simply voicing another opinion about what is admittedly a controversial topic is not stirring the pot. It's having a debate - there's a difference. Especially since there are studies to back up my beliefs and I have posted links, although maybe not every time this topic has come up, because it has been discussed ad nauseum. I also have to say, I always think of the Alt boards as the place where we can have a free discussion. Or at least, we are supposed to be able to do that. Seems like it is just a place for women to get into fights. Sad.
I would never eat processed soy, like soybean oil or soy protein isolate. But yes, I do feel comfortable eating organic tofu, tempeh, etc and believe that eating those foods is beneficial. And honestly, I feel bad when I see women going nuts trying to cut out everything that is estrogenic - it's so much work! I think everyone is better off focusing on the xenoestrogens and the processed phytoestrogens. However, far be it from me to push my soy-eating habits like some sort of drug dealer. (Seriously, that was a really weird way to put it.) If you don't want to eat any soy or flaxseed, definitely don't do it.
May 4, 2012 05:51 AM, edited May 4, 2012 05:59 AM by Ruby-
Nancynow, no doubt Monsanto is financing studies to promote soy, they own over 90% of its production worldwide
Stirring the pot, hum.... Do you mean like the Colonics thread on which you posted ?
Sad indeed when calling someone rude and unpleasant to get one's point across
May 4, 2012 06:03 AM SelenaWolf wrote:
I am still of the opinion that everything in moderation is not harmful be it soy products, sun, red meat, certain fats, natural supplements, or whatever. Even some of the alcohol studies point out that the odd glass of wine here- and there (and by that I mean infrequent, maybe, a few times a year) won`t give you a raging recurrence. Neither will a cookie every so often. It`s when we abuse- or overuse things that we get into trouble.
May 4, 2012 06:09 AM abigail48 wrote:
please please don't complain about tone of voice or rudeness, or we'll lose this thread too. I do know that when I juiced a lot of fennel, very estrogenic as I learned later, that's when the cyst turned very bad, & when I ate a bunch of red beans, & way too uncooked I had a great deal of pain.
what then are xenoestrogens? them "birth controll" pills or the mares can I please say piss? I love anglosaxon words & dislike latin ones for body/parts/functions at least, don't mind them for herb nominaclature (?SP?)
May 4, 2012 06:48 AM Kaara wrote:
I agree with abigail...keep the tone civil or this thread is going to be shut down as well. We may now never know WOM's entire story.
Have a nice day everyone.
May 4, 2012 07:24 AM abigail48 wrote:
that wasn't my point at all. we're all stressed & tone of voice on a discussion board, in written language shouldn't be noticed for rudeness or whatever. just for information. please
May 4, 2012 08:16 AM PatMom wrote:
It is very difficult to express strong opinions on a board like this without offending someone because the vocal inflections and facial expressions that can soften difficult, and potentially offensive information are missing. In face to face conversation, a quick smile can diffuse a tense situation and allow people to disagree without becoming disagreeable.
We are all dealing with breast cancer, but in reality, the individual specifics of each one's pathology may make choices that are helpful for one be damaging for another.
We all need to share respect and tolerance, it can't be one sided.
If you believe that there is an offensive tone in someone's post, it might help to gently point out that their post might be misinterpreted in a PM. The poster has a chance to edit their post, and there is not a public encouragement to "choose sides" when in reality, we are all on the same side against our common enemy, cancer.
May 4, 2012 08:43 AM abigail48 wrote:
very true, patmom, & for heavens sake don't "report" anyone for anything. apparently that's how we lost the locked forum (& I hope it will be unlocked soon) It wasn't the moderator being mean, It was that she had to lock it because of "reports"
May 4, 2012 10:20 AM abigail48 wrote:
gary talking about testosterone says oat straw, & ginseng, & faor cancer o2, hyperbaric chamber, I've heard that that is clostophobic.....????
May 4, 2012 05:31 PM, edited May 4, 2012 05:56 PM by sweetbean
Well, now I'm truly confused. When I posted on the Colonics thread, I didn't say anything even remotely controversial. All I did was agree with zuvart and express surprise at blackcat's post.
It doesn't much matter, however - I think "organic soy in moderation" as Sunflowers said it, seems to be the way many integrative docs are going. At least, that was the consensus of the ones that I talked to. It's totally possible that other doctors are saying other things. I actually don't even like tofu. But I do like edamame and tempeh - delicious! And I agree with SelenaWolf - I don't think any one thing in moderation is going to tip the scales. It's more of an overall, comprehensive approach that seems to be effective.
May 4, 2012 05:48 PM abigail48 wrote:
I miss beans & vegetables & brown rice, macrobiotic staple (I'm far from macrobiotic, but I have dpracticed it), & now no beans since when a year I guess. theres a tiny bit of soy oil in my bee propolis lip balm, so I only seldom use it
May 4, 2012 06:26 PM Ang7 wrote:
abigail48~
You do not eat vegetables anymore?
May 5, 2012 06:08 PM abigail48 wrote:
mostly vegetables. mushrooms, zuch, leeks, potatoes, tomatoes, yams, & I juice cucks, & celery
May 5, 2012 06:51 PM abigail48 wrote:
& of course lots of brocolli, I often juice the stems as well, gary says the curative ingredient is sulphur, & so how about hot springs?
May 5, 2012 06:53 PM sweetbean wrote:
the curative ingredient is sulforaphane (not sure I spelled it right), not sulfur. Two totally different things. Nice try, though - hot springs are lovely - wouldn't it be great if they were anti-cancer?
May 5, 2012 07:39 PM abigail48 wrote:
sounds like a phytochemical & must be related, brocolli certainly smells like sulfer, esp raw
May 5, 2012 07:42 PM abigail48 wrote:
according to wikki, an organosulfur compound,.......particularly curative are brocolli & coliflower sprouts, & how much more if juiced (I say). can't wait to get our market back!!!!!!
May 5, 2012 07:57 PM Ruby- wrote:
Abi, you're right, of course
What are the benefits of the sulfur compounds found in cruciferous vegetables?
whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=...
I'm crossing my fingers and praying that you get your market back ASAP !!
May 5, 2012 08:17 PM sweetbean wrote:
Wait, so is there curative value in a hot spring? This is hard to believe, and yet...
May 6, 2012 01:08 AM dunesleeper wrote:
I think xenoestrogens are things like BPA lining cans and making up the plastic probably in bottled water. Also, dryer sheets. I am looking into wool dryer balls to get away from dryer sheets. It seems we have been truly assaulted by these xenoestrogens. Oh yeah, they are in non-organic chicken and I would assume other non-organic meats. Xenoestrogens are my latest freak out. lol. So I'm eating a lot of fish and thus consuming lots of mercury. It's a very toxic world.
And I finally allowed myself a glass of wine tonight. I didn't find out until I was pouring it, but the small bottles in 4 packs put out by Sutter Home are now made of plastic. Lovely. So got some BPA with my reveratol tonight. I'm going to write to Sutter Home and complain. Wine belongs in glass bottles!
May 6, 2012 04:49 AM sweetbean wrote:
Yes, xenoestrogens are hormone disrupters like BPA and methylparaben. Very bad stuff.
May 6, 2012 04:49 AM sweetbean wrote:
Yes, xenoestrogens are hormone disrupters like BPA and methylparaben. Very bad stuff.
May 6, 2012 05:07 AM abigail48 wrote:
& I use bottled spring water almost entirely. the water here is leaded since the pipes burst my first winter here in 1974, & at the studio the pipes are plastic &don;t burst but.......for years I went up the mt & brought back water from the spring there (in used plastic) I could do that again & transfer it to glass, but......bear, probably lion.....old me......& the water at the studio is also often sandy............
gonna google that phytochemicals again for that sulfer compound
hot springs, well this has been known since roman times, but I think the nearest one to here is arkansaw. & my home town had them. well that life would surely have been different
May 6, 2012 05:20 AM sweetbean wrote:
It's sulforaphane. It's found in highest concentration in broccoli sprouts - I try to eat them twice a day.
Can you get a filter for your tap water? That's better than bottled water, both for you and the planet. Bottled water often has BPA in it - BPA is used in plastic.
May 6, 2012 05:39 AM abigail48 wrote:
I've thought about it for many years but I'd never change filters & I've heard the water gets worse if you don't
May 6, 2012 05:51 AM sweetbean wrote:
Yes, it does. You would need to change your filter every six months. But honestly, bottled water is not good for you - it is often just tap water that is poured into a bottle (with BPA) and then shipped to you. Even if it is spring water, the bottles pretty much always have BPA, so you are still getting a healthy dose of BPA. It's bad for you and for the planet. Anyway, just think about it - I know you are committed to your health (and a filter is probably cheaper than all that bottled water.)
May 6, 2012 06:21 AM abigail48 wrote:
I use mostly poland spring water & Indeed a filter would be cheaper but I know me I wouldn't change the filter........................