Topic: Budwig protocol?

May 6, 2012 06:02 PM, edited May 6, 2012 06:08 PM by Ruby-

CS, did you search here at BCO ?  I seem to recall having read a thread or two on the subject.  I think Leia is a very happy user of the protocol which has done wonders for her. I'm a bit concerned about flax too, more research on my plate 

Here it is: community.breastcancer.org/for...

May 8, 2012 11:15 AM CancerStinks wrote:

thanks so much for your thorough explanations.  I still don't know what I'm going to do but have an appointment for a second opinion with a MO tomorrow so I'll know more about what she proposes I do at least

May 9, 2012 12:46 PM NNBBFL wrote:

KatRNagain9,

Sorry but the site for original Budwig information is HealingCancerNaturally.com (not curing as I stated in my previous post). Interestingly the Budwig center site is an adaptation of her original protocol. Much of what information of hers that is available was only in another language until rather recently. The HealingCancerNaturally site has over 100 pages available. I ordered a couple of her books that are available in English through Amazon, other than that there is no real cost to her program. That said, it is why many try to adapt her program into something that generates money or a profit Also we live in a world that is much more riddled with chemicals than what she lived in so it is hard to be completely free of any chemical exposure, have only natural fabrics, drink raw milk etc. That is why I decided to do the hormone treatment and do the best I can in all other aspects of her protocol. I don't take any supplements or other medications as I like the idea of as natural as possible. I don't recall anything about coffee enemas or the like in what I have read so that must be one of the adaptations of the so called center. Ultimately we all must carve to some extent a path that we trust and can live with for this difficult journey.

May 28, 2012 08:44 AM himalaya wrote:

What is BUMP?

Spain is not far from me, i could go there for a talk, look arraund...to stay and spen 8000EUR i dont want.

But i know one man in USA who made good treatment for himself for cancer, following Budwigs system.

I will call them tomorrow ask what they think about my situation.

May 28, 2012 10:28 AM himalaya wrote:

oh good

Jun 2, 2012 06:37 AM sweetbean wrote:

Himalaya, please search for Chillipadi's story regarding Budwig.  She did the entire protocol for 14 months - it did not work. 

Jun 2, 2012 11:07 AM himalaya wrote:

Im new here and i dodnt know how to find chillpadi for corresponding.Please tell me.

Jun 2, 2012 02:18 PM, edited Jun 2, 2012 03:26 PM by candygurl

Himalaya, there is a poster "LEIA", who had surgery and ONLY uses the BUDWIG protocol and vitamin d. She has been cancer free for the past 6 years. Search her name and find her posts.

Leia said,

"I am taking 10,000 IU/day and my D3 level is 85. 

I am also on the Budwig FOCC.

I feel fantastic. And after my 2cm IDC, May 2006, cut out with wide margins with no other treatments, no recurrence. 6 years later. 

That is no radiation, no Tamoxifen/AI. Certainly, no chemo.

I don't come here, often. Because when I do, it just depresses me. To witness all of you women, over-treating yourselves. Even on this alternative board. 

In my view, the bottom line with cancer; Our bodies are designed to live; that is all that they do. But we have to help our bodies do that, by feeding our bodies with the corrrect nutrients. If we don't do that, they fail.

Proper nutrition CAN cure cancer. Eating processed foods will just kill us. And that is all that we have, these days, is processed foods. Just look around your supermarket.

So, there you go."  

ETA : FOCC is Flax Seed Oil Cottage Cheese.    

Jun 2, 2012 03:07 PM suzieq60 wrote:

Himalaya - I looked for Chillipadi's post and have copied it here. This is what you are possibly facing if you refuse surgery. Apologies to Chilli for reposting this, but this lady needs to read it now.

"Dear Kat and Pat,

Don't mean to burst your bubble, but I turned alternative when I was first diagnosed as Stage 1 a decade ago, and now today I'm Stage 3 with a massive tumor which has broken through the skin and covers my breast, and has just extended to my upper torso and towards my right armpit. It is ulcerating, fungating, oozes fluid like a tap and stinks horribly. In the past 2 years. my oncologists have tried hormonals and chemo but the beast keeps surfacing and growing. Meanwhile, I continued living a very healthy lifestyle (something I've done for more than a decade, which included taking complementary supplements, foods,and trying alternative therapies like the Budwig Protocol (that one made the cancer grow even faster).

I had a lumpectomy at Stage 1, nothing else. My onco then said that chemo wasn't necesaary and I refused Tamoxifen because my DH and I didn't have any kids and wanted a family. Well, the cancer recurred about a year later but I stuck to a purely alternative route. The lump stayed no larger than walniut-sized until about 3 years ago, when it started bleeding. That's when I tried the Budwig Protocol for the following 14 months. During that time, the cancer grew so much that it covered more than half my breast, was lumpy all over, turned a maroon red and bled copiously.

After putting me on just oral chemo and Tamoxifen, tmy first onco managed to reduce the growth to nothing. Normal skin even began to grow back and I could see a breast appearing again. We worked on letting the damaged area shrink and heal further before attempting surgery. Unfortunately, the cancer recurred before that could happen. Sadly, a series of errors happened which delayed treatment for almost 2 months and caused the cancer to spread considerably during that time. The biopsy was delayed for almost 2 weeks. Then the lab got the results wrong, diagnosing me as ER-/ER- and HER2+ when I was still ER+/ER+ and HER2-. Unfortunately, my onco had just quit to join another hospital, so he had no access to my report, so nobody noticed the error until a new onco was assigned to me a few weeks later.

So the cancer re-established itself firmly in my breast, and has been growing ever since. All hormonals don't seem to work for me now, and chemo only causes the tumors to retreat for a while. Surgery would only be palliative and cause me a lot of pain and suffering as a great deal of my chest, upper torso and back would have to cut out. I have been told the cancer will recur anyway, and death was very likely.

I still try to keep up with my healthy lifestyle and diet, plus some supplements. I've done practically every alternative therapy you can think of over the years, and none stopped the cancer. I've just started on a Gemzar and Carboplatin chemo cocktail. It's been two infustions so far (yesterday was the second) and the tumors have shrunk by about 15%. I'm also taking Indian frankincense (Shallaki or Boswellia Serrata) capsules and Middle-Eastern frankincense (Boswellia Carteri) essential oil mixed into my wound dressing. Both are anti-infammatory and anti-tumoral.

Pat and Kat, if I were in your shoes today and had the knowledge and experience I have had, I would seriously consider some conventional treatment, while continuing with a healthy lifestyle and diet. Don't wait until it's too late. You don't want to look the way I look today, and suffer as much as I do everyday.

chillipadi "

Jun 3, 2012 05:34 AM, edited Jun 3, 2012 05:35 AM by himalaya

What i see, chilpadi got problems AFTER surgery.

This is also what my sister and MIL got.

And those two my dear beloved ladies never change a lifestyle, (doctor didnt tell them to)they were just continuing eat how they did before, and womit and eat again...

I think my situation is  different, as you say for everybody is different, thats true.

I will observe little bit more because anyway i dont see anybody who i like to take as a surgeon.

All my body is telling me NOOO if i talk with them.

Thats my inner voice and i cant force myself in sober mind to make desision against my inner voice.

I know it looks silly but no regrets.

Everyting is going how we want and how we deserve to be.

So simple.

Jun 3, 2012 07:30 AM suzieq60 wrote:

Jun 3, 2012 09:59 AM KatRNagain92 wrote:

Chillipadi also went three years with stability.  Three years!

Truthfully, at this point...even three more years would be considered a life time!

Jun 3, 2012 10:26 AM himalaya wrote:

What do you mean  by STABILITY?

Jun 3, 2012 03:25 PM, edited Jun 3, 2012 03:25 PM by candygurl

I wonder if Chillipadi did the Budwig protocol with coffee enemas. It's  important to mop up the dead cells.  Also, maybe things would have worked out differently had she been followed by an ND.  Who knows? What's important is that her health is finally moving in the right direction now, and she sees light at the end of the tunnel.

Himalaya, are you planning on going to the Budwig Center? And are you taking any supplements (i.e. enzymes, vitamin d etc :)

Jun 3, 2012 03:44 PM, edited Jun 3, 2012 03:48 PM by candygurl

Most people do the Budwig protocol without the coffee enemas. For instance, I don't think that Leia is doing them. She never mentioned coffee enemas, at least not in the posts that I read.

Whether you are impressed with the protocol or not, many people have success with it, and many do not.