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  • Posted on: Dec 25, 2008 02:38 am
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wessel792 wrote:

Does anyone know how long a bilateral tram flap reconstruction would take. I have seen on the net that it would take around 6 hours, but a friend of mine had just one side done and it took 8 1/2 hours?? How long did it take for you to get back to work?


Dx 1/23/2006, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIIa, 12/14 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2-
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lize17
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 19
Dec 25, 2008 07:23 pm lize17 wrote:


Hi Wessel I only had one side done masectomy and tram flap 12 hours . Good Luck. God bless you.

wessel792
Joined: Dec 2008
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Dec 25, 2008 07:33 pm wessel792 wrote:

I had my mastectomy done in january of 06.


Dx 1/23/2006, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIIa, 12/14 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2-
sue_blue
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 316
Dec 25, 2008 07:34 pm sue_blue wrote:

I had a bilat mast and tram flap recon and the surgery took 6 1/2 hours. I think it depends  on how many your surgeon has done and how good he is. The first surgeon I saw told me it would take 10-12 hours. I got referred on from there and the surgeon I used said 7-8 hours, but it was 6 1/2. I was off of work for about 8 weeks, but I teach and it is pretty intense. If you have a desk job, maybe you could return sooner. If I can help you with any other questions, let me know. Hope all goes well for you.

Susan
Dx 8/29/2007, ILC, 3cm, Stage IIb, 4/13 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
mb67
NH
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 34
Dec 25, 2008 10:41 pm mb67 wrote:

Hi

My surgery took 5 1/2 hours. Tram flap and reduction on the other breast.

I had my tram flap in on Oct 5th and I am a teachers aide. It took a full 7 weeks for me to get back to work full time. One of the hardest things to get over was the fatigue. I had NO energy, and being on my feet all day at work, took a while before I could stand for more than 2 hours at a time.

Still dealing with a very slow healing wound that I have to pack twice a day, due to prior radiation and the surgeon taking too much tissue and leaving too little skin on the recon. breast.

It took a full 3 weeks until I could stand up completely. It was also hard to raise my arms up to reach anything in my cabinets.

Hope this helps! Good luck

MB
Dx 7/25/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 0/10 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
emiliasdanc…
Joined: Sep 2007
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Dec 25, 2008 11:08 pm emiliasdance wrote:

Hi. My mastectomy and TRAM took 8 hours. I had radiation treatments 3 weeks after it was done that lasted for 5 weeks, and took another 4 weeks off after that before I went back to my desk job. I still wasn't 100% then and it was obvious to everyone. Giving yourself time to heal from all the treatments you've had done is as important as the treatments themselves. Don't hurry yourself. Also, don't judge your satisfaction with the outcome too soon. I wasn't at all too keen on it immediately after I had it done, but that was 4 years ago, and now I'm really happy with it.

abbadoodles…
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Dec 26, 2008 12:11 pm abbadoodles wrote:

It depends on how things go during the surgery, to some extent.  My implant/Allorderm removal with following MS free TRAM surgery took over 11 hours.  Although my surgeons were experienced, there was a problem with venous drainage in my stomach tissues immediately following removal and before "hooking up" to the chest site.  All turned out okay, though, in the end.

Don't focus on the length of the surgery.  It didn't really impact my ability to get back to work, which was a few days after I was home from the hospital. 

Tina...............Loving is its own reward.
rnemt2000
Spring Hill, FL
Joined: Dec 2008
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Dec 26, 2008 03:39 pm rnemt2000 wrote:

I had a skin sparing mastectomy with an immediate tram flap reconstruction five years ago. I think the total time was 8 hours or longer.  I had mesh implanted over both sides of my abdomen from my ribs to my hips.  Twice it has dislocated from the faschia it was attached to, leaving me with a large bulge, due to the intestines pushing outward.  I will not have it repaired for a third time as it is a major surgery that I do not care to endure again.  The tram flap is the most difficult surgery of all reconstruction choices, but give the best results.  I am very happy with mine all things considered.  The results are amazing.  Love the tummy tuck!  I would not go with a free flap b/c of the increased danger of a failure.  I would instead research and consider the DIEP, making sure I had a top notch plastic surgeon!  Good luck! Michele

Michele
Dx 9/23/2003, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, HER2+
Sandy-MomsD…
Torrance, CA
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Dec 26, 2008 05:58 pm Sandy-MomsDaughter wrote:

Bilateral DIEP can be done by highly experienced experts in 5-6 hours, and would not require the sacrifice of your abdominal muscles.  The risk of hernia is lower.  Recovery is said to be less painful than TRAM.


Dx 5/22/2007, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
car
CA
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Dec 26, 2008 06:11 pm car wrote:

I'm also a fan of DIEP. My onc referred me to a very skilled PS--as well as other patients. I wouldn't want to consider moving muscle, especially since Pilates has eliminated chronic back pain and I'm very active. When I asked my onc about whether a DIEP would mean I would have to restrict my current activities, he said that he has 2 pts--one who teaches Pilates and a cardio fitness instructor--who have been very satisfied w/their DIEP surgeries.

I'm delighted w/mine though it took longer than others (12 hours) because I am very thin and he needed to take the entire abdominal flap for a unilateral reconstruction.


Dx 8/8/2006, DCIS, 3cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+
wessel792
Joined: Dec 2008
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Dec 26, 2008 06:36 pm wessel792 wrote:

I really wanted to have DIEP flap reconstruction but due to no one around my town and at least an hour away no one does this surgery. I would have to travel at least 4 or more hours to have this preformed. I am going to look into when I have my pre-op visit if they are willing to do the free flap surgery. Does anyone know about that surgery?


Dx 1/23/2006, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIIa, 12/14 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2-
car
CA
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 484
Dec 26, 2008 06:39 pm car wrote:

I know that the free flap is less invasive than the tram-flap, but still has more side effects. I know that everyone's situation is different, but I traveled, not only for the DIEP but oncology and my original mx after the 2nd surgeon I met w/told me "you won't get the mx you want out here."

I know that there are others here who also have traveled. If possible, I'd consider it. Feel free to PM if you'd like.


Dx 8/8/2006, DCIS, 3cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+
kateful
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Dec 26, 2008 07:01 pm kateful wrote:

I haven't decided for sure to get reconstruction, yet.  If I do, the only method I'm considering is DIEP.  In order to get it, I would have to travel to Dallas or to San Antonio (each about 3 hours from where I live).  Most PS websites I've seen have information about how they accommodate those who have to travel for surgery. Good luck to you!

DCIS, intermediate to high grade, comedo necrosis, WE 11/5, Reexcision 12/8, RMx 12/22
Sandy-MomsD…
Torrance, CA
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Dec 26, 2008 07:06 pm Sandy-MomsDaughter wrote:

I traveled from my home in Los Angeles to New Orleans and would not hesitate to make that choice again.  It was really easy, given that the doctors have arranged transportation via limousine to/from the airport, and for all appointments and surgery.  See www.breastcenter.com for the NOLA doctors' website.   Four hours on a plane was nothing--I would have been resting in my recliner for four hours at a time anyway. 

Sandy


Dx 5/22/2007, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
LynnLive
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Dec 27, 2008 03:53 pm LynnLive wrote:

Can someone explain the difference between a DIEP and a free flap? I thought they were synonyms?

abbadoodles…
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Dec 27, 2008 04:08 pm abbadoodles wrote:

I believe that when a free flap is mentioned, it is the muscle-sparing (MS) free TRAM flap surgery, which I had.  A very small piece of the muscle is taken, as opposed to the pedicled TRAM.

A pedicled TRAM has the muscle and fat kind of "snuck up" under the trunk skin into place at the "new" breast area.  The DIEP and the MS free TRAM are cut free, then inserted at the breast site.  The biggests diff between the last two is that no muscle is taken for the DIEP while a small piece is taken for the free TRAM.

I had a MS free TRAM at the end of March of this year and was standing up straight within a week, had no pain and gradually increased my activity over a few weeks to the point where my abd. strength was the same as before the surgery.  Perhaps I was lucky in this in that I have heard that sometimes even the small amt of muscle taken can cause some weakness in that area. 

There is a small risk of hernia or abd. bulge after the MS free TRAM flap as opposed to practically no risk after the DIEP.  However, considering my own experience, I would encourage anyone to consider the MS free TRAM if they did not have access to an experienced DIEP surgeon.

Tina...............Loving is its own reward.
car
CA
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Dec 27, 2008 07:46 pm car wrote:

abbaddoodles has it right I believe. In a DIEP, the surgeon perforates the abdominal muscles, removes the epigastric artery, the abdominal fat, and some skin, and grafts the artery to the mammary artery and makes a "mound" (I hate that word--I refuse to use it and refer to my breast). Whereas the surgeon does create a very deep abdominal incision (mine's hipbone to hipbone) the muscle isn't affected at all. The only SE I've experienced is tight abdominal skin, which is loosening. Once the graft is in plae, new blood supply sprouts, and you're home free.

It does take a very experienced surgeon. My DIEP surgeon does plenty of MS-free TRAM flaps if the pt.'s case requires it, but he prefers the DIEP or SEIA (similar and even less invasive than the DIEP) if the pt.'s condition warrants it.


Dx 8/8/2006, DCIS, 3cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+
LynnLive
Joined: Aug 2008
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Dec 27, 2008 07:55 pm LynnLive wrote:

Thanx. Now I understand. I am glad that the MS free TRAM flap worked so well for you.  It is good to write about the different options available so people reading here can be maximally informed.

I just had a DIEP surgery- after waiting 11 years!  I now wish I had done it sooner- but I only discovered it as a possibility in the last few years. When I inquired in the past- I was offered a pediculed TRAM or a Latissumus D flap. I was told that the implant option would likely not work that well since I had had radiation.

While living with a prosthesis for so long was awful, I did get to a place where I sort of got used to it and sometimes forgot about it. I  would then have rude moments of awakening when I needed to get dressed up, or went shopping, or when  friends celebrated a 45 birthday at Olympus spa where you all walked around naked. These moments were horrible.  I am only now allowing myself to fully verbalize and realize how much they bothered me. Then of course there was the moment when you lean over to pass a colleague a pen and you grab your shirt because in the leaning the prosthesis gaps forward and perhaps the emptiness could be glimpsed.

 LL

wessel792
Joined: Dec 2008
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Dec 28, 2008 02:29 am wessel792 wrote:

I have contacted my doctor and am asking about the free flap reconstruction. I am hoping that they will be able to preform it as I am kind of scared about the tram flap with the muscles.


Dx 1/23/2006, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIIa, 12/14 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2-
carpediempe…
CO
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Posts: 90
Dec 29, 2008 12:08 pm carpediempenny wrote:

HI, I had the MS free tram flap where they take only two strips of muscles. They didn't take all the muscle. I was off work for two weeks and went back to work part time and worked from home until I gradually got to feeling like I could stay a whole day at work. It wasn't too bad. I get so confused when we talk about DIEP, free tram flap, MS tram flap etc. So all I can base mine on is what my doctor called it. The surgery took about 9 hours. He is a very experienced doctor but wanted to make sure everything was attached properly and would survive afterwards.

They came in and listened for blood for every hour for the first two days. I think the biggest thing is being tired. I couldn't stand up straight for a good week but gradually got better.

My co-workers couldn't believe I was at work so soon. I just didn't want to stop and sit at home and dwell on the fact that I had just lost both breasts and that cancer was the cause. I kept busy.

Hope this helped.

Penny


Dx 9/26/2007, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 1/27 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
wessel792
Joined: Dec 2008
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Jan 5, 2009 12:07 am wessel792 wrote:

I contacted my doctor and they have told me that I would not be a canidate for the free flap. not sure why but still going ahead with the Tram Flap. I am wishing that February 10th was here already. I am getting excited and getting things aligned here at work. CAN'T WAIT!!!


Dx 1/23/2006, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIIa, 12/14 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2-
hopefor30
MA
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Posts: 1,268
Jan 5, 2009 07:08 am hopefor30 wrote:

I hate to be negative since you are excited, but sometimes a PS will tell you you are not a candidate for free flap because he/she doesn't know how to do them.  PS recommend procedures that they are comfortable with -- if you really want a free flap, it might be worth another opinion from someone who has experience with them -- if not, best of luck with your surgery.

car
CA
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Jan 5, 2009 10:22 am, edited Jan 5, 2009 10:23 AM by car car wrote:

I second that. the first PS I saw had numerous flap procedures on his website, but insisted that I was too thin (at the time I was about 112, I believe). He said I needed implants. I don't know if it was an insurance issue (he didn't accept insurance but did negotiate a somewhat reduced fee w/my carrier as out of network, so I would pay 30% of that) or he really wasn't experienced enough in the procedures.

What grinds me is that he said if it was a tummy tuck I was really after, he could do it (of  course, on my dime) after the mx. I should have researched another PS, but was only thinking about the cancer. A year later I had a DIEP--at 105 lbs.

Unilateral mx 1/17/07, exchange 6/4/07, DIEP 4/25/08
Dx 8/8/2006, DCIS, 3cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+
sercsw
Freeport, NY
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 19
Jan 5, 2009 12:22 pm sercsw wrote:

I am home recovering from a tram flap; it took 8 hours and 6 days in the hospital. I'm able to walk ok but sleeping is hard. I sleep best in a recliner. I've had some circulatory issues so have some "dead" areas around the flap wounds but my PS feels it will heal ok but slowly. Originaly was told I can go back to work in 3 weks post op but I never believed that! I'm post op from 12/18 and don't expect to return to work for another 3 weeks or so. we'll see. It was quite painful the first week but less and less thereafter. Now only slightly. If I had to do it over, I would. When I'm all healed I feel the results will be worth it. Good luck and be posative!

Sue

kalyla
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 243
Jan 5, 2009 01:09 pm kalyla wrote:

I had a pedicled tram flap last March at the same time as the mastectomy and although I had lots problems with infection, seroma, in the breast area, etc., I have to say that loosing part of my abdominal muscle has not affected me much or frankly, at all. I can still do sit-ups, stretch, excercise and my tummy looks great. Good luck with your surgery.

Kalyla
Dx 2/12/2008, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIIb, Grade 3, 22/27 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

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