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Topic: BREAST IMPLANT SIZING 101

Forum: Breast Reconstruction — Is it right for you? Discuss timing and various procedures and techniques.

Posted on: Jan 8, 2010 04:01 AM, edited Feb 7, 2013 01:06 AM by whippetmom

whippetmom wrote:

BREAST IMPLANT-BASED RECONSTRUCTION AFTER MASTECTOMY:

Please scroll to the bottom and find your tissue expander information and dimensions and/or breast implant information so that you can be well-informed about your optionsllll

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING BREAST IMPLANTS.

It is very important and even crucial that you discuss all of your concerns, hopes, desires and plans for your breast reconstruction outcome with your doctor.  You have every right and every reason to want to get it right the first time and to know what your options are in this regard.  Please let your doctor know that you are very interested in being a partner in the decisions he or she will make regarding your breast reconstruction journey. 

This thread is essentially an informational link for those who are preparing to undergo mastectomy [unilateral or bilateral] with immediate reconstruction with two-stage tissue expander placement or have already undergone reconstruction and you are in the tissue expander fill phase of this process.  

1.  TISSUE EXPANDER - OVERFILLING AND REASONS FOR DOING SO:

Overfill is sometimes performed and it can be done so for a myriad of reasons.  It can be done because a PS always does it in his practice [which makes no sense to me]; it can be done for assurance of good implant coverage with the skin flap; expanding out the skin a bit more so that a larger implant can be used, or in order to achieve ptosis [droop], especially in unilateral recon.  It is not necessary in all cases to overfill and some docs never overfill, some rarely ever and some always do.  But for those who are small-breasted prior to MX, it often is necessary, so that there is good skin closure, if a larger volume of implant is needed or if symmetry with the contralateral breast is required for ptosis and symmetry. 


2.  SILICONE VS. SALINE?

Please note that the question of whether you should have silicone vs. saline implants at the time of exchange is one which you can research on your own, and you can find various threads discussing the differences on bc.org.  However, the overwhelming number of women on these forums now have silicone breast implants - most specifically - silicone smooth round breast implants. 

If you live in Canada and/or your PS has access to true cohesive gel implants, aka, "gummy bear implants" - the Mentor CPGs or Allergan 410s, there are numerous threads here on bc.org which discuss the merits of these implants versus the standard silicone rounds.  [We are happy to help with sizing in this regard as well, although please note that breast reconstruction experts state that the tissue expander should be chosen specifically for expanding and creating the breast pocket for the corresponding cohesive gel/gummy bear implant.  Therefore, it is probably more uniquely important that you discuss with your PS where he/she intends to go in terms of implant size/projection at the time of exchange.]  

3.  IMPLANT SIZING INFORMATION:

If you are interested in discussing implant sizes,  make sure you compile and provide us with the following information:
 
Height, weight, ribcage measurement [measuring the circumference of your ribcage under your tissue expander(s) or under your bra line].  Also, if you have TEs [tissue expanders] - we need to know about them.  The style - Mentor or Allergan most likely - and whether they are short height, moderate height, full height if Mentor and style number if Allergan.  We also need the recommended fill volume of the TEs - the number of cc's.  (NOTE:  If you have PMT Corporation tissue expanders or any other unlisted manufacturer, please see if your PS will provide you with the dimensions of such devices.]

4.  "WHAT CUP SIZE WILL I BE?" OR "WHAT SIZE IMPLANT DO I NEED FOR A "C" CUP?"

I CANNOT PREDICT CUP SIZE.  PLASTIC SURGEONS ADMIT THAT THEY CANNOT PREDICT CUP SIZE WITH ACCURACY! 

It is very difficult to determine cup size with breast reconstruction patients, as volume does not easily translate to a specific bra size. There are so many factors which determine how implants will look on any one individual, e.g., your ribcage circumference, whether your chest wall is bony or if you have a fair amount of adipose tissue surrounding the chest wall.... if you have any ribcage deformities or other structural issues which might impact implant placement.  We can sort of "project" where you might want to be...or estimate the implant volume which you could "aim" for - so that you can sort of look at the prize ahead of you.  Most of us have found though, that it is better to continue with tissue expansion until you have reached a desired volume and appearance, and then compare these dimensions with the breast implant dimensions found on the links at the top of the Exchange City thread in the Breast Reconstruction forum. 

BREAST IMPLANT SIZING IS SPECIFIC TO YOUR VITAL STATISTICS

Implants of a specific volume will look different on A 5'10" 176 pound woman with a 35 inch ribcage, than they will  someone who is 5'3" tall, weighs 110 pounds and has a 29 inch ribcage.  So height, weight, ribcage circumference, body habitus - all of these things come into play when determining what style and volume of implant will best fit someone's frame.

QUESTIONS FOR YOUR PLASTIC SURGEON:
 
In the interim, here are very important questions to pose to your plastic surgeon.  Ask your PS if he/she tends to place you in an implant with a volume larger than the TEs, or if he/she prefers to place you in an implant smaller than the TEs.  If your PS likes to overexpand - overfill - ask about this.  It is important to know what is in your PS' mind about where he intends to go with your reconstruction, because this will assist us in calculating to what extent you require expansion in order to exchange to the desired implant size and dimensions.
 
Based on everything I have read in my four years of researching breast reconstruction, the tissue expanders SHOULD be placed by the PS with the foreknowledge of the approximate size and style of implant he/she intends to use for you down the road.  It should not be "let's just throw this tissue expander on her and see where it takes us." The WIDTH of the tissue expander is a very important consideration.  Proper placement of the tissue expanders is a very important consideration.  Please discuss these issues with your PS.  

TE and Breast Implant Data:  We should be given a little plastic credit card with information regarding our TEs and our breast implants after surgery.  ASK FOR YOUR CARD!  These are registered medical devices and the manufacturer intends that patients have access to this information.  Make sure that you ask your physician's office for this information and retain it in your medical files.   

It should be stated that a great deal of other criteria goes into implant selection.  Also of importance: Your torso [short or long], any potential ribcage or chest wall deformities or issues [e.g. pectus excavatum, pectus carinatum], and how much tissue you have overlying the chest wall.  Also, if you are a unilateral, symmetry issues come into play and this determines the style and volume of implant selected. 
 
We all want the best possible cosmetic outcome from this reconstruction journey. There are other women throughout the bc.org family who also have important information to share and we hope they add their thoughts to this thread so that your breast reconstruction journey is made easier and also so that you feel empowered about this aspect of your breast cancer recovery!

TISSUE EXPANDER AND BREAST IMPLANT CATALOGUE LINKS:

ALLERGAN:

breastimplantadvice.com/wp-con... 

MENTOR - CLICK ON IMPLANTS OR TISSUE EXPANDERS

www.mentorwwllc.com/global-us/...

SIENTRA:

www.sientra.com/Content/pdfs/P...

SSP - Specialty Surgical Products/DERMASPAN TES:

www.ssp-inc.com/Products/Breas...

QUICK LINKS - IMPLANTS ONLY

MENTOR:

www.justbreastimplants.com/bre...

ALLERGAN:

www.justbreastimplants.com/bre...

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Diagnosis: 10/15/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 9, 2012 03:21 AM whippetmom wrote:

janice: I received your emails and I think you have a great result. The anatomicals are firmer and I understand that they will relax and soften up in time, although perhaps it takes a bit longer. You can always swap them out at some later date for rounds, although with what I am hearing about the Allergan "Inspira" round implants, now approved in Canada, I would wait until we have them here before switching. I will post any updates I have about them as they come to my attention.

Deborah

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Aug 9, 2012 05:31 AM Lilah wrote:

Wow -- someone having a glitch? :)

Dx 6/2/2009, IDC, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 1/17 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Aug 9, 2012 06:13 AM whippetmom wrote:

That was scary.....I think Janice got the message though....

I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb. Jeremiah 1:5.
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Aug 9, 2012 05:05 PM Lilah wrote:

LOL yes Deborah!

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Aug 10, 2012 03:41 PM Dakota212 wrote:

Whippetmom

Hi, I am having bmx with aloderm shelf and te's on sept. 28.They ate going to be silicone. I do not and did not know to ask about overfills. I am 5'2" and weigh 125lbs. I wear a 34 c now. I was hoping to stay about the same. Any advice ?

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Aug 10, 2012 05:37 PM whippetmom wrote:

Dakota:  If you are having TEs placed after the BMX, they will not be silicone.  Perhaps you are referring to the implants the PS will use at the time of the exchange, after fills are complete?  I anticipate that he will be using tissue expanders which will enable him to get you to around 400 ccs to 475 ccs in smooth, round silicone implants - high profile.  Perhaps he intends to use a moderate plus/midrange profile implant, and in that case, you could be in the 350 to 400 cc range.  You could call your doctor's office and ask which styles and volume ranges of TEs have been ordered for your surgery. 

Deborah

I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb. Jeremiah 1:5.
Dx 10/15/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 10, 2012 05:42 PM, edited Aug 10, 2012 06:41 PM by Dakota212

Whippetmom
I'm sorry u are correct. The silicone implants will be done at the exchange surgery. Does the aloderm shelf make sense??? I will call the office and see what that have ordered for me thanks for the info ;)

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Aug 10, 2012 08:46 PM whippetmom wrote:

Dakota - An Alloderm "sling" makes sense....essentially a hammock for the TEs and later for the implants.  But I knew what you meant.....Wink
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Aug 10, 2012 08:57 PM Dakota212 wrote:

The ps I saw does not go right to silicone implant...

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Aug 15, 2012 12:03 AM BuddhaWolf wrote:

ThisTooShallPass, Blessings , Lilah - thank you all for your replies to my questions.

I had some time not thinking about my recon  / BC  etc, &  enjoyed myself in the rare occurence of Sunshine in London (!!) and got immersed into the Olympics, so hence my delayed thanks.

 Now Ive read your replies, I am now going to discuss with my PS the pro's of having rounds put in, instead of anatomicals, as I really dont think I will cope well with the firmness of the 'gummie' . I think my PS likes to use Anatomicals as he thinks they reduce CC contracture.. Im a hugging-kinda-girl, and self-consciously notice the solidness of my TE's when hugging friends, partner etc. 

ThisTooShallPass - I think, similiar to you I have a bit of 'padding', being quite muscley. I cant see the edges of my TE's as my skin / muscle covers it. So maybe I wont get the 'top circles'... but I'm sure that that is a small compromise for softness. 

 Blessings, your gym experience sounds wonderful - very supportive of your re-intro to exercising.  What kind of exercises did the gym director prescribe?

 Warmly, BW

*Buddhawolf Feb 2012 6mm tumour/IDC -Grade 2. DCIS, papillary pattern - Intermediate grade. Triple negative. April 26 2010 - skin-sparing mastectomy /senitel node sampling (3:0) Ongoing recon.
Dx 2/8/2010, IDC, <1cm, Stage II, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-Surgery Reconstruction: Tissue expander placement (Right)Surgery 02/02/2010 Lumpectomy (Right)Surgery 04/26/2010 Mastectomy (Right); Reconstruction: Tissue expander placement (Right)Surgery 05/29/2012 Reconstruction: Tissue expander placement (Right)
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Aug 15, 2012 03:22 AM vik11 wrote:

So, I'm a newcomer looking to get all the info I can before I do anything. So far, only had biopsy done (left breast). Dx was DCIS, stage 0, grade 3. Only two options I'm looking at. Internal rad (savi applicator) and bmx (nipple/skin conserving) with implants. I have a great female bc surgeon (well respected by her peers). Met with RO today, and unfortunately he's not so enthused about internals as I am small and with lx, would pretty much wipe out good portion of tissue I do have. It can be done, but I'm in the cautionary category. So, as you can see I'm looking at everything possible prior to meeting with ps on 9/7. I see great info to ask him about from whippetmom -- thanks. But, really at this point the gummy bears and anatomicals are foreign to me. I want a smidge larger than what I am now, with natural look and feel. But, more importantly, SAFE! Suggestions on where to start my research??

Dx 7/2/2012, DCIS, 2cm, Stage 0, Grade 3
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Aug 15, 2012 03:30 AM Lilah wrote:

Vik11 -- not sure at all where to do research or what you are researching specifically.  Whippetmom is an excellent resource.  The important thing is the interview with your PS about what you want/what can be done.  I am not familiar with internal rads but it sounds less invasive (in a way) than regular radiation.  The issue of implants and radiated skin is definitely something to look into and discuss with your PS.  Some women end up, after radiation, with skin that is too damaged for the stretching (even with skin-saving) that the TE/implant reconstruction requires.  So that is certainly one consideration. 

Buddha -- glad you got to enjoy some sun and the Olympics!  I watched from here and loved it.  Gummies are NOT as hard or unforgiving as TEs (which are generally overexpanded saline so VERY hard).  But they are definitely firmer than smooth rounds.  It's a tough decision!

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Aug 15, 2012 04:47 AM Mooleen wrote:

Vik11, If your dx is only DCIS, Stage 0, high grade, why do you need a BMX and radiation. I had the same diagnosis and had a UMX and do not need any radiation or chemo. DCIS is a non- invasive cancer and if it is removed, there is nothing to radiate. Look on the boards under DCIS. There is a lot of great information there to help you make an informed decision.

Dx 11/1/2011, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/22 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+Surgery 02/23/2012 Mastectomy (Left); Lymph Node Removal: Axillary Lymph Node Dissection (Left)Surgery 02/23/2012 Reconstruction: Tissue expander placement (Left)Surgery 08/21/2012 Reconstruction: Breast implants (permanent) (Left)
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Aug 15, 2012 05:16 AM Dawne-Hope wrote:

The user 'Beesie' is so knowledgeable about DCIS. She helped me so much when I was trying to figure out what to do.

Here is one of many threads on DCIS. This one is especially about it and getting a mx.

community.breastcancer.org/for...

Dx 9/2009, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 15, 2012 02:16 PM Dakota212 wrote:

Vk11
Good luck. Get the info. The girls are correct if it is dcis.

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Aug 15, 2012 02:40 PM Lilah wrote:

Vik11 -- Oh gosh I get an F for careful reading... didn't notice the DCIS diagnosis.  If that is what you're researching there is of course a lot to find out there about the variety of treatment and what is best.  Most women who have a lumpectomy only are also advised to have radiation; many who have mastectomy (whether uni or bilateral) will be able to skip radiation, especially when there are no nodes involved and the cancer is not close to the chest wall.

I will add, though, that when I was at the same point as you -- having had a biopsy -- my diagnosis was DCIS and no nodes (because nodes had not been checked)... and I was ER/PR negative (do you know your pathology report?)  Then I had a lumpectomy and, when they took a larger sample of breast tissue, it turned out my cancer was invasive... and that it was HER2+ and I needed chemo.  After a second lumpectomy, when nodes were checked, it turned out I had one node.  So my question to you is: are you zero nodes because the nodes were check and found cancer-free?  And do you know your pathology (ER/PR/HER2 status)?  These are things to find out.

Dx 6/2/2009, IDC, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 1/17 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Aug 15, 2012 04:31 PM whippetmom wrote:

vik11: Also, it all depends on your PS, as to whether you even have access to "gummy bear" anatomicals.  The PS needs to be in clinical trials with the Allergan 410 or Mentor CPG - OR - you need to be in Canada or Europe.  But if you are small and bony chested [small ribcage and little breast tissue] I recommend silicone rounds.  The anatomicals are very firm and can be very rigid on a small frame.

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Dx 10/15/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 15, 2012 05:55 PM vik11 wrote:

Mooleen --
I have been on the dcis thread for a couple of weeks. Unfortunately just because it's dcis doesn't mean you don't need rad. Mine is a grade three which means it's aggresive. I refuse external rad, which leaves internal. I was leaning toward the Savi applicator and saw RO yesterday. The downside to this is I am small breasted and lx will not leave much tissue anyway, so will be close to a virtual mx. The RO said it could be done, but was not 100% comfortable with it since so little tissue would be left. The thing about dcis and doing nothing but lx, is that if there is recurrence, 50% of the time it's invasive, and being grade 3, it would be aggresive. I've done a lot of research on this from all angles. RO wasn't positive about cosmetic outcome doing lx and internal. My bs is great and I really trust her. She's highly regarded and when I asked her what she would do, she said she had a scare some time back and without hesitation said if she ever got bc, she'd do mx and implants. Have heard this from other bc professionals. Something to consider. Also, don't know ER/PR path as facility who did biopsy did not check!? No node involvement. Had a BSGI yesterday which confirmed this.

Dawn-Hope --
I'm familiar with beesie and, yes, she's great. She has a lot to offer as far as info and insight. There are a lot of great ladies on the "refusing radiation" thread. The have really helped me. Shayne and infobabe in particular.

Lilah --
Sorry to hear about your outcome after lx. You can see by my posts above, my nodes appear to be clear, bsgi confirmed yesterday.

Whippetmom --

I'm not in Canada and it doesn't matter as the gummies don't sound right for me. The rounds sound more like what I'm after. I'm a young 55 yr. old who's pretty active and social with friends and family and various get-togethers and events thru our golf club and good golfing friends. So, want the most natural looking and feeling as possible. Think the firmer ones would change my golf swing!? Lol


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Aug 15, 2012 06:09 PM, edited Aug 15, 2012 06:22 PM by whippetmom

Yes vik, like doorstops! Wink

Edited to state:  If you are very small breasted, as vik appears to be, the anatomical implants can be very tight and rigid and "fixed" on the chest wall.  Not in all cases, but in most it seems....

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Aug 15, 2012 06:18 PM Dakota212 wrote:

What are "gunmies" I'm confused ...lol

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Aug 15, 2012 06:27 PM, edited Aug 15, 2012 06:28 PM by whippetmom

Dakota: Anatomical "gummy bear" implants are the Allergan 410 or Mentor CPG - only in clinical trials in the U.S. and not yet FDA approved.  You can read about them here.

www.implantinfo.com/media/news...

There is also a thread here on bc.org entitled "All About Gummies"....

Vik:  You might ask your PS about Sientra implants though.  They have been recently FDA approved and they have a stable cohesive gel and there is a tear-drop/anatomical shape in their lineup.  From what I have heard, they would not be as firm or rigid as their Allergan/Mentor counterparts.

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Dx 10/15/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 15, 2012 06:30 PM Dakota212 wrote:

Thanks for the link I will check it out ;)

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Aug 15, 2012 06:45 PM vik11 wrote:

Whippetmom --

Thanks for the info on the Sientras. I will ask him and do my own research on them prior to my appt with him on 9/7. No door stops here! The tear drop configuration sounds intriguing. Not to be nosey, but did you have any kind of reconstruction? I don't see any surgeries on your list. Just curious.

Dx 7/2/2012, DCIS, 2cm, Stage 0, Grade 3
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Aug 15, 2012 10:28 PM whippetmom wrote:

I had a BMX with tissue expanders, followed by smooth round silicone implants. And then this was followed by two rounds of fat graft transfer to help correct a step off deformity and rippling.

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Dx 10/15/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 15, 2012 10:51 PM Sherryc wrote:

Getting ready for my exchange next week.  Whippetmon thanks so much for all your help.  I will be having 450cc smooth round High profile silicone mentor placed.  I am currently expanded to 400 but after talking to whippetmom decided 450 was better and PS said he did not need to expand me any further to accommodate this. Getting anxious but ready to be done.

Sherry--lump left breast 9/30/10. No chemo, Zometa-6tx over 3 years.Oncotype score 23 with 14% recurrence rate. 34 rads. No family history, BRCA neg. 48 years old @ diagn. BMX/TE 3/26/2012
Dx 9/27/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-Surgery 05/12/1997 Lumpectomy (Left)Surgery 09/30/2010 Lumpectomy (Left); Lymph Node Removal: Sentinel Lymph Node Dissection (Left)Radiation Therapy 12/03/2010 ExternalHormonal Therapy 02/07/2011 TamoxifenSurgery 11/03/2011 Lumpectomy (Right)Surgery 03/26/2012 Mastectomy (Both); Reconstruction: Tissue expander placement (Both)
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Aug 16, 2012 12:33 AM, edited Aug 16, 2012 12:43 AM by whippetmom

Sherry: Refresh my memory regarding what I told you.  Based on what your PS told you, I just want to make sure 450 ccs is enough!  I communicated with you via private messaging and it is not easy to go back and find our conversations as it is if we had discussed this on the open forum.

Thanks...

Deborah

ADDENDUM:  I found our PM links.  We had some confusion because you thought you had Allergan TEs and they are actually Mentor 450s, underfilled to 400 ccs.  Correct?  I just want to make sure that we have the width right.  450 ccs HPs should be fine for you, but you never did tell me which STYLE of Mentor TEs you have and this would be important.  Let's say that you have the moderate height TE, which is the most common style used, you have a width of 12.7 cm.  So as long as your PS uses Mentor HPs - 450 ccs - the width will be fine.  If he uses Allergan HPs, they would need to be 475 ccs.  Just want to clarify. 

I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb. Jeremiah 1:5.
Dx 10/15/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

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