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  • Posted on: Oct 16, 2009 04:48 pm
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karink wrote:

I had atypical cells removed a yr. ago after a biopsy.  I went on tamoxifen & just had my 6 mo. mammogram & saw my dr.  There are more areas that are "probably benign".  I discussed this with my Dr. & one of his suggestions was to have a mastectomy as this would be 100% that this does not keep reoccuring.  I am 58.

Breast cancer runs in my family, both mother & maternal aunt & I had no children.  Is this the way to go?  Has anyone else done this or can anyone give me some support?

Thank you...........Karin

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dlb823
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Oct 16, 2009 05:28 pm dlb823 wrote:

Karin ~   It's good that your doctor is watching you closely.  Are you in an actual "High Risk Program?"  Some of the larger institutions/breast cancer centers have them, where they do a full evaluation of your risks and monitor you more closely. 

Knowing what I do now about bc and potential risk, if I was in your situation (atypical cells; no signs yet of in situ bc, and certainly nothing invasive) I would be inclined to look at possible lifestyle changes -- diet, exercise, exposure to chemicals, etc., to see if I could make an impact short of having a mastectomy.  But that's just my point of view.  Others might opt for the mast., and that would be the best decision for them.  Either way, I don't think it's something you have to rush into.    

Also... with the Tamoxifen.... Did you have the test to ensure you're metabolizing it?  Evidently, there's a wide range of responses to it -- from excellent metabolizers to those who may not be reaping its benefits.  Just another thought ~   Deanna

"The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears" Native American proverb
Diagnosis: 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
hrf
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Oct 16, 2009 05:41 pm hrf wrote:

Have you had genetic testing? It makes a big difference to know whether or not you are BRCA+  You may want to consult with a few doctors before you make a decision, especially find a dr who is "savvy" about hereditary bc

Helen - BRCA2+ first dx in Oct. 2004 2nd dx Feb. 2009 a new primary
Diagnosis: 2/6/2009, ILC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 1, 4/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Daudine
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Oct 16, 2009 07:14 pm Daudine wrote:

Yes you should. I did.

clariceak
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Oct 16, 2009 07:19 pm clariceak wrote:

I don't think a masectomy is 100%, while it certainly may lower your odds considerably.  From what I understand. It is nearly impossible for a surgeon to remove all the breast tissue.

That being said. I do wish I had been taken advantage of that option earlier in my life.


Diagnosis: 9/8/2009, IDC, Stage IIIb, PR+, HER2-
HelloFromCT…
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Oct 16, 2009 07:29 pm HelloFromCT wrote:

Personally I'd opt for the surgery.  It's the thing that will reduce your risk the most.  Since you have a strong family history and atypical cells more than once, it's something to think about.  I had ADH and family history plus other risk factors, and I'm scheduled for PBM in January.  Of course you should go with your own instincts and what's right for you.  We all have to live with our choices.  For me, peace of mind is more important than keeping breasts that may make me sick somewhere down the line.

You should have some time to think about it.  No rush.  There are lots of women here who can give you advice on both decisions.  Good luck and please keep us posted.

unklezwifeo…
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Oct 16, 2009 07:35 pm unklezwifeonty wrote:

BRCA test and Vitamin D test could help determine where your risk is coming from and what you can do.

Onty
Diagnosis: 7/31/2009, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 1/9 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
awb
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Oct 16, 2009 10:34 pm awb wrote:

Karin----yes, I've "done this" and am still doing it after 6 years (and my risk is double that of yours--I have LCIS and family history). It is stressful at test time, but has gotten easier over time. I alternate mammos with MRIs every 6 months, took tamox for 5 years and now take Evista for further preventative measures. Feel free to PM me if you'd like,

Anne

"I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds the future"
Diagnosis: 9/5/2003, LCIS, Stage 0, 0/0 nodes
karink
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Oct 16, 2009 11:26 pm karink wrote:

Thank you!  I'm getting a second opinion in a week.  I totally trust both Dr's.  They are the best in their field where I live.   My med. oncologist was one of the top Dr.'s involved in the study for Tamoxifen.  I had been on evista but he felt strongly about doing the tamox. rather than evista.

I have a lot to think about & sooooo appreciate all the comments & suggestions.  I'll let you know what decision I make.

 Thank you all so much!

Anne1962
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Oct 17, 2009 12:42 am Anne1962 wrote:

Hi karink,

I am in a similar situation. I have ALH and also have small, dense breasts, which makes it harder to see anything. My breast surgeon told me I am a good candidate for prophylactic mastectomy. I'm not sure what to do. I will have a BSGI sometime in January. I had a stereotactic done and that was painful due to being small. I also developed a hematoma from it. If this is something that continues, I will probably lean more toward the mastectomy. If they keep taking tissue, there will be nothing left. I also don't want to go through another painful biopsy. Keep me posted and good luck...Anne1962

Anne1962
Mykidsmom
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Oct 17, 2009 05:25 pm Mykidsmom wrote:

Karin - As you have seen, we all have personal reasons for the choices we make. You have options. Only you can decide what is right for you. It does get easier after you make your decision. Hugs. - Jean

Prophylactic Bilateral Mastectomy w/ Tissue Expanders - 12/08 Exchange 04/09
Diagnosis: 8/25/2008, LCIS, Stage 0
karink
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Oct 17, 2009 05:37 pm karink wrote:

Anne, you're right...i don't want another biopsy, one was plenty.  I don't know what a BSGI is but I know I haven't had that done.  A lot of my friends are suggesting a double mastectomy but I want to see what my Dr.'s say before I make that decision.  I'll keep you posted.    Karin

karink
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Oct 17, 2009 05:40 pm karink wrote:

Jean, My friend also said that about it being easier once the decision is made.  Right now without all the answers & opinions from my Dr.'s it is scary.  Luckily my husband is right by my side.  Other than that I don't have any other family to fall back on.  I'm also not telling my daughter until the decision is made.  Thank you so much for your support.  Nice to see you're a hugger too...hugs back my friend!  Karin

Anne1962
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Oct 17, 2009 07:33 pm Anne1962 wrote: Karink, It seems like an easy way out to friends who think a mastectomy is a quick fix to all our problems. Unfortunately, we still remain at risk for breast cancer since it is impossible to get all of the tissue out. I thought a mastectomy would be an easier decision, but I continue to waver back and forth. I have some risk factors: ALH, sclerosing adenosis, denseness, and microcalcification's, but no family history that I know of. My breast surgeon said I will probably need a double mastectomy because of these factors and also because more biopsies would be disfiguring as I am smaller chested. She also recommended reconstruction, but I wouldn't know what size as I am only an "A" cup...any suggestions:)  I've often wanted to be bigger, but never seriously considered having it done. Take care and keep me posted, Anne
Anne1962
karink
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Oct 17, 2009 07:43 pm karink wrote:

My medical oncologist stated that by having a mastectomy we could be 100% sure that this would take care of the problem.  So now I'm confused...I was not aware that they couldn't get all the tissue by doing this. 

Anne1962
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Oct 17, 2009 07:50 pm Anne1962 wrote: HelloFromCt, Please keep us posted as to your progress. We will be thinking of you. Is there anything that made your decision easier for you? There is a possibility I may never develop cancer, but there is a "what if". I feel I need to be certain for such a drastic measure, but how does one know for sure? Plus, there may be something lurking in there that wasn't seen because of the density. Don't they usually do an exisional biopsy for ALH? Take care, Anne1962
Anne1962
bosombuddyb…
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Oct 17, 2009 11:10 pm bosombuddybeck wrote:

I would definitely have a double mastectomy!  Take it from me.  I was diagnosed almost ten years ago and would have loved to have the option that you have.  Even though nothing is 100% going to prevent it, it will certainly cut your risks.  The mammogram did not pick up my malignancy, therefore, I had a 1.4 cm tumor that had been there for years resulting in surgery, chemo, tamoxifen and femara.  I have implants now and am very happy with the outcome.  Since I was small before, I went to a bigger size.  Do what you can now to help prevent a future problem in which you will have fewer choices!  Good luck  with your choice.

Anne1962
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Oct 18, 2009 12:29 am Anne1962 wrote:

Karink,  The first that I became aware that a mastectomy does not give you a 100% certainty against breast cancer was  when my breast surgeon told me I needed to continue with my breast exams after having a mastectomy. She said there can be fragments of breast tissue anywhere on the chest wall, which makes it difficult to remove it all. A mastectomy does reduce your risk considerably, though. I am considering a nipple-sparing procedure where they scrape the nipple and surrounding tissue to remove what they can in order to reduce the risk further. Hope this helps. Take care, Anne1962 

Bosombuddybeck, I am so glad that you are pleased with your outcome. What kind of reconstruction did you have? Do you have routine follow-up with your breast surgeon? It seems that the more I read about personal experiences, the more I realize how much gets missed during screening. What is the likelyhood they missed something when they did my stereotactic? They didn't do an excisional, but I will have a BSGI in January. Thanks for posting, Anne1962

Anne1962
Mykidsmom
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Oct 18, 2009 09:21 am Mykidsmom wrote:

Hi there - Just my two cents. While it is true that a PBM does not remove all risk of future bc, my risk for invasive bc dropped from somewhere between 30 and 80% to somewhere between 1 and 5% after my mastectomy. That was enough for me. My risk now is much less than the average woman. As for reconstruction, my oncologist strongly recommended it for me and I am so glad that he did. I chose implants because they don't require surgery on another part of my body, but there are a lot of options. Since you don't have to hurry w/ your decision, I would strongly suggest that you carefully research all the reconstruction options. Don't rush your decision, you have time to think it through.

As for ultimate size. I started out this process as an A/B size and now I am a B/C size. I kind of enjoy being a little bit bigger. That part has added a little fun to this whole process.

Hugs - Jean 

Prophylactic Bilateral Mastectomy w/ Tissue Expanders - 12/08 Exchange 04/09
Diagnosis: 8/25/2008, LCIS, Stage 0
karink
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Oct 18, 2009 12:14 pm karink wrote:

Hi Anne,  Thanks for all the info.  The friend that suggested a double mast. is one who had stage 2 bc & opted for chemo & radiation because her Dr. said that she still has lots of healthy breast tissue but...depending on future check ups she said she would not hesitate for a min. about doing a double.  I appreciate your input & will keep everyone posted.

karink
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Oct 18, 2009 12:17 pm karink wrote:

Hi Mykidsmom....Luckily I have the BEST surgeon to do reconstruction should I go that route.  I worked with him yrs. ago at a local hospital.  I'm an Occupational Therapist.  He has a foundation here in St. Louis & does reconstruction for those pts. that would not otherwise be able to afford it.  He's done other surgery on me & I would not trust anyone other than him.  Thank goodness I know his work & his reputation!  Karin

rumoret
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Oct 18, 2009 03:22 pm rumoret wrote:

After my mastectomy in 2006 and during my chemo........I clearly knew in my heart that I wanted the right breast off. I remember telling my mother that I was thinking about taking the other one off (she had a lumpectomy 10 years ago at age 69), and she just looked at me. I have one sister who likes to tell me about the remaining breast tissue and how it can come back. My sister likes the idea of having more breast tissue so if the cancer came back it would not be so close to the chest wall. Now I prefer not to have it come back in my breast and hiding out for years like the first one did.

So......I am aiming for a mastectomy on my right breast. I do not plan on reconstruction because I like being FLAT.......let freedom ring! And should I want to be a B cup or a C cup that will be my choosing. 

If the doctors recommend to the BRACA gene sisters to have a mastectomy because of their odds of getting breast cancer........then it should be good enough for this sister too!

I plan on following my GUT........and it says.......take it off! I once heard a doctor speak about how the HEART is better at making decisions and the BRAIN will over think a decision. I educate myself on the subject and then I digest the information, and then I ask myself, "What does your heart (GUT) say?"

 Hugs,

Terry


Diagnosis: 4/13/2006, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/15 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Mantra
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Oct 19, 2009 01:17 am Mantra wrote:

I too am most likely going to have a mastectomy on my "healthy??" breast. My gut tells me its the right decision.  If losing a breast can give me a better chance of never having to go through this again, then off with the breast!  And if it means my family never has to go through this again, then that's even more incentive to me.


Diagnosis: 7/10/2009, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-
Mantra
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Oct 19, 2009 01:33 am, edited Oct 19, 2009 01:34 AM by Mantra Mantra wrote:

During my mastectomy, my surgeon removed my fascia covering the chest muscle. I recall her saying it is the way of knowing you have removed all breast tissue against the chest wall. Did anyone else's surgeon do this? However, she also said I need to continue with mammograms because some breast tissue is always left behind and that you cannot be sure you got it all. I assume it's the breast tissue under the arm that's left in my case? When she removes the other breast, I'll have to find out if she always removes the fascia or if she just does it if someone has close margins. I know my lumpectomy pathology showed a 1.5 mm margin on the chest wall and she said it was too close given the aggressiveness of my cancer.


Diagnosis: 7/10/2009, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-
kreativek
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Oct 19, 2009 05:28 pm kreativek wrote:

My mother and BOTH grandmothers all had bc.  So I have it on both sides of the family.  When I was diagnosed with atypical ductal hyperplasia, my breast surgeon said my risk for breast cancer was 60-70%.  I did have genetic testing and I am BRCA negative.  Even being BRCA negative, with ADH and a family history I had about 70% chance of bc in my lifetime (BRCA positive is about 87%).  When I went back for my check up this year,  my breast surgeon said that having ADH without a family history increases your bc risk 4-5 times and WITH a family history it raises you risk 8-9 times.  So I probably had about a 80% chance of bc.

I chose the preventive mastectomy with skin and nipple sparing.  I have silicone implants and look great.  I had this done 18 months ago and I don't even worry about getting breast cancer anymore. It is wonderful to still have my nipples and I feel like I just changed the "insides" of my breasts.

It is true that cannot get every single breast cell so you risk will never be 0%.  However, even with nipple sparing my risk is probably around 3-4%.  The average women has an 11% risk so it is much less than that.

It's a very personal decision that each woman has to make for herself.  You don't have to rush into anything either.  I am VERY happy with my decision and it gives me peace of mind. 

PBM, May 21, 2008 for ADH/Family History
Anne1962
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Oct 19, 2009 06:11 pm Anne1962 wrote:

Kreativek, Wow! That is really great. I'm so glad it went well for you and that you are happy with the resuts. Any info about what you went through would be appreciated if you don't mind telling us about it. I'm thinking that is the exact route I will go. I know this is personal and you don't have to answer...were you smaller to begin with and if so, was it harder on you because of it? I don't want to be "busty", but a little bigger would be a nice side effect from all this:) Thanks for your post. I am becoming more comfortable about my decision more each day.

Anne1962 

Anne1962
LBBoston
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Oct 19, 2009 06:45 pm, edited Oct 19, 2009 06:46 PM by LBBoston LBBoston wrote:

MY wife recently had MRI and biopsy and had ADH - but everything "found" benign   She has family history - mother and sister died of BC  Doctor standard of care is for lumpectomy (ping pong ball size) scheduled in 3 weeks.  I was shocked at first at the lumpectomy approach when all was benign - as was she ....   Does this sound like a reasonable approach?  Doctor said the risk of finding something was 5%

karink
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Oct 20, 2009 05:13 pm karink wrote:

I have another question.  These atypical cells - calcifications - does anyone know if these will at some point in my life turn into breast cancer?  From what I understand they will but who know when...6 mos. or 15 yrs.  Any info or answers?  Thanks, Karin

kreativek
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Oct 20, 2009 06:37 pm kreativek wrote:

LBBoston:  yes, a lumpectomy is the standard treatment for ADH.  It is considered "precancer".  With her family history, did they recommend genetic testing?  Did they recommend Tamoxifen also?  These things are pretty standard for ADH.  With her family history AND the ADH she is at pretty high risk and should investigate further surveillance/treatment.  I chose a preventive mastectomy when I was in this situation, but some chose surveillance and tamoxifen.

KarinK:  atypical cells are not the same as calcifications.  Calcifications themselves are not harmful, but they show up around atypical and cancerous cells.  I don't think anyone knows for certain if and when atypical cells will turn to cancer.  My breast surgeon's opinion is "they almost always do (if not removed)" so they usually make sure they are removed.  Even after removing atypical/pre-cancerous cells, they are a marker that you are at an increased risk for breast cancer - especially in the next 10 year.

 Anne1962:  I'd be happy to share my experience in detail with you.  You can email me at 1ocforce.kris@sbcglobal.net

I actually went a little smaller with my reconstruction.  The other ladies in my support group all went larger.  We all had nipple sparing and the incisions are in the crease under the breast.  My implants were placed during the first surgery since I had plenty of skin and wanted to go smaller.  They all had expanders placed and went for fills.  They then had an exchange surgery where the expanders were swapped with silicone implants.  The good thing is we all got "something good" out of this - they got to be a little bigger and I got the breast reduction I wanted! 

PBM, May 21, 2008 for ADH/Family History
awb
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Oct 20, 2009 10:12 pm awb wrote:

karin-- with ADH /ALH, the risk is thought to be about 20 to 25%; but that also means there is a 75 to 80% that you won't ever develop invasive bc. They generally recomend close monitoring for ADH alone, some doctors recommend the addition of tamoxifen if there are other significant risk factors involved, such as family history of bc. I have LCIS which has a risk level of 40 to 50%, plus I have family history of ILC; so I do high risk monitoring with mammos alternating with MRIs every 6 months, breast exams on the opposite 6 months, took tamoxifen for 5 years and now take Evista for further preventative measures. It isn't for everyone, but it works for me.

Anne

"I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds the future"
Diagnosis: 9/5/2003, LCIS, Stage 0, 0/0 nodes
karink
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Oct 21, 2009 10:53 am karink wrote:

Anne ~ Thank you.  I am closely monitored, have mammos every 6 mos. & am on Tamoxifen.  How well that is being absorbed & working is questionable.  The atypical cells or calcification are back having been removed last summer, '08.  My dilema is do I have them removed again & keep watching or do the mast. & be done with it?  I just had the BRCA test but have to wait about 4-6 weeks for results.  I'm at high risk since it runs in my family.

Karin

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