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  • Posted on: Oct 16, 2009 04:48 pm
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karink wrote:

I had atypical cells removed a yr. ago after a biopsy.  I went on tamoxifen & just had my 6 mo. mammogram & saw my dr.  There are more areas that are "probably benign".  I discussed this with my Dr. & one of his suggestions was to have a mastectomy as this would be 100% that this does not keep reoccuring.  I am 58.

Breast cancer runs in my family, both mother & maternal aunt & I had no children.  Is this the way to go?  Has anyone else done this or can anyone give me some support?

Thank you...........Karin

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clariceak
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Oct 21, 2009 01:18 pm clariceak wrote:

Karin -

Have you seen a genetic counselor?  My BRCA test came back in 10 days when it was run in September so maybe you won't have to wait so long.  I have maternal and paternal aunts with both breast and ovarian cancer, other family members with different types of cancer and a younger sister who was dx with bc at 43. 

My BRCA 1 & 2 tests came back negative.  I believe my genetic counselor called it a "non informative negative".  I agreed with his conclusion, that it was very likely that some genetic mutation was happening in my family that has yet to be identified by a gene test.  I am proceeding as if it was positive and opted for a bilat and will have ovary removal after treatment.  My only regret is that I didn't have a preventative masectomy years ago as I am now Stage III after a clean mammo in Jan 09.

It's such an individual decision and it sounds like you are doing everything possible as far as careful monitoring.   I think your age may be an advantage as well, as it seems genetic based cancers tend to hit earlier.

Best wishes for making the decision that is right for you.


Diagnosis: 9/8/2009, IDC, Stage IIIb, PR+, HER2-
Morgan513
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Oct 21, 2009 01:32 pm Morgan513 wrote:

I wanted to jump in too.  I am a little over a year out from treatment which was lumpectomy, chemo and radiation.  Over the course of time, my "good" breast has calcifications in it (probably benign).  I wish I knew then what I know now.  I would have had both removed and eliminated the worry.  I am terrified of having bc again.  I plan to visit my surgeon to discuss the option of double prophylactic mastectomy.  The constant worry is enough for me.  

Lorrie 


Diagnosis: 4/9/2008, 2cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
anniealso
CT
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Posts: 1,378
Oct 21, 2009 03:42 pm anniealso wrote:

Hi Lorrie: I'm in this with you.. had it twice in the same boob.  During a routine screening, thankfully an MRI caught a 1.5 cm non invasive. 

went for a mtxmy (prev. rads, no other options) and chemo.  But I now have a DD and a small C.  Either I walk in circles the rest of my life and get a lift and reduce.  Now, why I'd go for that, when I can still get BC in it?  Dont' know.  So am pursuing this aggressively, even tho I had my onc (whom I love and is a darling usually) say to me "taking off the other breast won't keep the cancer from coming back."  Not helpful.  However, it will certainly lower the risk!

i am not BRAC+, I have the eggos and uterus out as I was heavily estrogen +++ and not in menopause yet at 53.  I've done what I can but as I see, why not finish the job already?  I can't keep on checking and worrying and living from mammo to MRI to mammo.................

enough already!!

Good luck to both of us

shadow2356
Wantagh, NY
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 51
Oct 21, 2009 04:30 pm shadow2356 wrote:

If I could have seen into the future I would have done it. My mother, grandmother and first cousin have all had BC. I am BRCA negative although my first cousin is positive. All the doctors say they believe it is a mutation that is not yet identifiable. It is a tough choice, but if you do a preventative you have time on your side. You can interview doctors and decide about reconstruction without the degree of fear you have when there is cancer. It is a tough choice, good luck.

MaryEllen, 44, Mom to Julianna, 20 months, bilateral mastectomy with immediate DIEP 10/09/09
Diagnosis: 8/14/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
Morgan513
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Oct 21, 2009 05:07 pm Morgan513 wrote:

It's really interesting how time can put some things in perspective.  When I was first diagnosed, I had a surgical second opinion trying to decide between mx and lumpectomy.  The 2nd opinion surgeon was very distracted by the calcifications in lefty and my cancer was in righty.  I didn't get it.  I couldn't understand what the bother was with lefty.  I was worried about righty!  Well, fast forward through 2 MRIs, 2 Mammos and they are still focused on lefty.  My first mammo after treatment was traumatic.  I had to get two sets of films taken (read: stressed out waiting in the holding room watching everyone else leave), then they say I need an ultrasound.  But again, I have to wait for an hour for the tech to come back from lunch (it was either stay or come back another day--I didn't want to wait days to come back).  The tech does the ultrasound and says that the doctor just needs to look at it and we'll be back in about 15 minutes.  30 minutes later, the radiologist and the tech come back.  The radiologist is again fixated on lefty.  She says that she "thinks" she can see it on a previous mammogram.  She says she even ran it by the other radiologists to see if they see it too.  I ask her about the MRI I had a few months earlier which said the calcifications were likely due to changes in breast tissue due to the menstrual cycle.  The MRI findings were benign. What do they mean that they "think" they can see it.  I was told to go for a follow-up in 6 months with "probably benign" as the box checked off.  Oh, and that I might want to consider a biopsy.  I saw the surgeon about 2 weeks later and she was like "see you in 6 months."  I was totally freaked out and at my wit's end!

Fast forward 5 months, my chemo onc sends me for another MRI--came back fine.  I wanted to skip the 6 month mammo as it was 6 weeks after the MRI.  Oh no--had to go according to my onc.  He set me up to have the mammo read by the head of radiology who happens to be the same guy who reads the MRIs.  I only had one set of shots done (better) but, the result was that the calcifications are still there and then come back in 6 months, findings are "probably benign".  Yikes!  "Probably benign" are loaded words for someone who has just gone through the battle with the beast.

So over the last 6 months, I've given things a lot of thought.  I can't live with the possibility hanging so heavy in the air.  I know that the prophylactic mastectomy isn't a guarantee but I soooo can't deal with the worry and the what if.  Should I just hang out and wait for something to pop up?  We all know how quickly these things can grow.  So, that's why I'm going to have a talk with the surgeon when I see her in a couple of weeks.  Should I get the spots biopsied?  Should I just go for the bilateral?  Has the radiation side healed enough even to do this?  

Sorry, just ranting.  Clearly I have a problem with this!

Lorrie 


Diagnosis: 4/9/2008, 2cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
Mykidsmom
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Oct 21, 2009 07:00 pm Mykidsmom wrote:

Lorrie - I totally can understand your frustration. Honestly, it is just that kind of thing that lead me to make the decision that I did. Life is too short for all that kind of worrying. And, for me, when it really came down to it, they were "only breasts." I wish you peace with your decision! - Jean

Prophylactic Bilateral Mastectomy w/ Tissue Expanders - 12/08 Exchange 04/09
Diagnosis: 8/25/2008, LCIS, Stage 0
karink
Joined: Oct 2009
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Oct 21, 2009 07:14 pm karink wrote:

Clariceak ~ Thank you!  Interesting...I called my oncologist today to ask questions that I couldn't think of on Fri.  Actually I spoke with his nurse.  Long story short...she said my diagnosis was DCIS!!  To say I'm emotionally a wreck is putting it mildly.  I still have to wait for the BRCA test to come back - they said 4-6 weeks!!!  & have to wait until Mon. to get my 2nd opinion from my surgeon.  Anyway, the waiting game is on.  Will keep you posted on Mon.  Thank you for your input!

Hugs................Karin

karink
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Oct 25, 2009 04:51 pm karink wrote:

Hey everyone....well I should have known better than to listen to a nurse!  She gave me the wrong diagnosis!!  I do not have DCIS, it's lobular hyperplasia.  I'm resting a bit easier but will see my surgeon & a breast specialist tomorrow.  I'm leaning towards removing the suspicious tissue, seeing what the pathology shows & what by BRCA is when it comes back.  I'll then make a decision regarding mastectomy.  Has anyone else been down this same path?  Thank you...Karin

Mykidsmom
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Oct 25, 2009 06:26 pm Mykidsmom wrote:

Karin - I had one focal point of LCIS and the rest of my breasts were riddled w/ lobular hyperplasia. So yes, I went down your path. Hugs. - Jean

Prophylactic Bilateral Mastectomy w/ Tissue Expanders - 12/08 Exchange 04/09
Diagnosis: 8/25/2008, LCIS, Stage 0
awb
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Oct 25, 2009 07:00 pm awb wrote:

karin-----was the lobular hyperplasia regular or atypical? (ALH)  The atypia is the worrisome part---if it is ALH, then usually an excision is recommended to make sure nothing more serious is in there along with it; if it is just regular hyperplasia, it is not an issue. I was diagnosed with LCIS 6 years ago (a step further along the bc spectrum from ALH with double the  risk) and also have family history of ILC (mom)--I took tamoxifen for 5 years, now take Evista for further preventative measures and continue with high risk surveillance of alternating mammos and MRIs. So there are many options. Whatever you choose will be the right choice for you.

Anne

"I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds the future"
Diagnosis: 9/5/2003, LCIS, Stage 0, 0/0 nodes
karink
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Oct 26, 2009 03:05 pm karink wrote:

Anne ~ My report says atypical ductal hyperplasia.  Not sure what that means.  The breast specialist this morning said she'd just watch it!  Not sure I'm comfortable with that.  

Karin

Anne1962
IA
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Oct 27, 2009 02:17 am Anne1962 wrote: karink-I don't think I would be comfortable with it either. Mine is atypical lobular hyperplasia, and I am considering a PBM. ADH is probably a little more worrisome than ALH, but I'm not sure if that is true, or not. I think it depends on other risk factors, too. I have dense breasts, am small, and can't (won't) do another biopsy. I also have sclerosing adenosis and fibrocystic breasts. I think it is difficult to tell the difference between adenosis and actual cancer cells and that is another reason for the PBM. I am scared about making the wrong decision, but I don't want to wait too long to decide. I didn't have an excisional done to check if there was anything else there, so that worries me, also. I will have a BSGI in January; maybe that will help me decide...any input on this would be greatly appreciated. Karin, I see that we are kind of in the same situation here. Maybe you should get a second opinion. I just looked at your earlier post-I would say you are definitely high risk. Good luck with your decision and keep us posted. Anne1962
Anne1962
karink
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Oct 27, 2009 09:33 am karink wrote:

Anne,  Got a 2nd opinion yesterday & both Dr.'s are in agreement that the risk factor is small.  The calcifications that are there are the same as 6 mos. ago.  They don't think it's necessary to remove them, not even sure they can as they are scattered.  My thinking is this, wait & see what the gene test shows & decide then.  If it's negative as they suspect, I will probably continue with 6 mo. check ups & stay on the tamoxifen.  If it's positive then I will have bilateral mast.  They have said my risk factor is 10% or under of this turning into invasive bc.  If I become uncomfortable, stressed or too anxious in Apr. & I see more calcifications then that may be another factor to consider PBM.  Thanks for your input & support! 

Karin

karink
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Oct 27, 2009 09:34 am karink wrote:

Anne, I'm new at this...what is BSGI?   Karin

BMac
Oakville, On
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Oct 27, 2009 09:40 am BMac wrote:

My sister had breast cancer at age 32, two years later my Mum had ovarian cancer at 61.  At that point my sisters and I were followed at a high rish ovarian cancer clinic.  Despite being monitored very closely I too got ovarian cancer, 10 months after my Mum died. 

At that time we had genetic testing and were all determined to be BRCA1.  I was then followed at a high risk breast cancer clinic.  Five years later I got breast cancer.  I really wish I'd had the prophylactic bilat mast.  I could have saved myself a lot of grief.

I think genetic testing would be a good idea for you and, with that info, you can make a more informed decision.  In hindsight, I would have opted for the mast.

Barbara
Diagnosis: 10/23/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIIc, Grade 3, 1/13 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
awb
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Oct 27, 2009 11:37 am awb wrote:

karin---sometimes they recommend an excisional  biopsy for ADH (or ALH) just to make sure nothing more serious is in there along with it (DCIS /LCIS/ or invasive bc). They often recommend just close monitoring for ADH/ALH, unless there are other  significant risk factors , such as close family history of bc in a primary relative, then tamoxifen is often added to the recommendation. The news you got from your doctors sounds good; sounds like the calcifications are stable and not clustered. (clustered is more worrisome than scattered); sounds like they don't feel an excisional is needed at this time. A BSGI is a breast specific gamma imaging--I haven't had this don, but I'm interested in it as well. I have alternating mammos with MRIs every 6 months, breast exams on the opposite 6 months, took tamox and now take Evista. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk, I've been dealing with this high risk for a long time now.

Anne

"I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds the future"
Diagnosis: 9/5/2003, LCIS, Stage 0, 0/0 nodes
karink
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Oct 27, 2009 12:34 pm karink wrote:

Anne, Thank you!  Depending on the results or if I have any questions I will PM you!  Thanks for being here!

Karin

karink
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Oct 27, 2009 04:22 pm karink wrote:

Wow!!  Amazing news....my Dr's. office just called....the gene test is back after only a week & it's negative!  Thank God!  I'll keep on with the 6 mo. mammos & go from there.

Karin

awb
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Oct 27, 2009 04:30 pm awb wrote:

Karin--that's great to hear such good news !!!

anne

"I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds the future"
Diagnosis: 9/5/2003, LCIS, Stage 0, 0/0 nodes
slm6596
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Oct 30, 2009 11:59 am slm6596 wrote:

My father died 20 years ago from breast cancer, so I had the BRCA test done this year and I am BRCA1 positive with a new, unknown variant.  That being said, I have decided my risk is too high so I am having a PBM and DIEP reconstruction in December and an oopherectomy next year.  It can take 5 years or longer to find out if the variant is dangerous or not, but if it is, I am not only a higher risk of breast cancer, but of ovarian cancer as well, so I'm taking care if now before it takes care of me.

Mykidsmom
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Oct 30, 2009 06:26 pm Mykidsmom wrote:

Slm - I know I would do the same. Best wishes for your upcoming surgery!!!

Prophylactic Bilateral Mastectomy w/ Tissue Expanders - 12/08 Exchange 04/09
Diagnosis: 8/25/2008, LCIS, Stage 0
karink
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Oct 30, 2009 11:46 pm karink wrote:

Slm ~ You'll be in my prayers.  I would do the same thing!  Take care of yourself.

Karin

karink
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Oct 30, 2009 11:49 pm karink wrote:

Slm - I would like to suggest something but first I'm not sure what DIEP reconstruction is.  Please feel free to email me.  I have a very dear friend who had bilateral mast.

karinlac2@yahoo.com

Karin

slm6596
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Nov 2, 2009 09:31 am slm6596 wrote:

Thanks everyone for the prayers and support.  I think I will need it as I was so hurt when a neighbor told me I was crazy for doing this.  I told her it's hard for some to understand and that it was my personal choice.

Mykidsmom
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Nov 2, 2009 06:52 pm Mykidsmom wrote:

SLM- We are w/ you. It is a VERY personal choice. And only those of us that have been faced w/ it can understand. I had friends/associates that felt the same way. Hugs. - Jean

Prophylactic Bilateral Mastectomy w/ Tissue Expanders - 12/08 Exchange 04/09
Diagnosis: 8/25/2008, LCIS, Stage 0
typhoon55
NJ
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Nov 2, 2009 07:13 pm typhoon55 wrote:

My history is DCIS 17 years agoin left breast and this year LCIS in the other breast.  BS said she would do PBMX if I wanted.  BRAC came back negative and BS was suprised as I was young (37 for the DCIS) and now LCIS.  After much researching  I decided to do PBMX.  My dtr helped convince me she said "Mom why do you want to go thru the tests every 6 months and wait to see if it becomes imvasive".  So had BMX on 9/22/09 which showed atypical hyperplasia now in the old DCIS breast.  BS said I was a ticking time bomb and I made the right decision for the BMX.  You have to do what you feel is right. 

slm6596
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Nov 3, 2009 08:37 am slm6596 wrote:

Typhoon.  I'm glad you made the right decision.  The constant tests and waiting for cancer to possibly show up is so stressful as you know.   I don't want to wait for the cancer, then have to have the mastectomy anyway along with the chemo.  I'm glad you're ok now.  Thanks everyone for the support.  It is much needed.

moonbuddy
Atchison, KS
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Nov 7, 2009 12:55 am, edited Nov 7, 2009 12:56 AM by moonbuddy moonbuddy wrote:

Hi everyone,

I would like to run this past all of you.  In September '09 I had an excisional biopsy of my LB because of a nipple that turned in suddenly. The mammo and ultrasound found a mass behind my nipple. The punch biopsy came back inconclusive, possible DCIS. My excisional biopsy turned into a partial MX.  It came back neg. but  with lots of microcalcifications and a lot of other things that sounded like they were describing a menstruating younger woman.  I am 55 and haven't had a period since i was 46.

I have a grandmother and an aunt who died of BC, the aunt before she was 50. I also have two sisters with LCIS.  One has had 4 biopsies and the other 5. They are older than me.

My BS does consider me at risk because of family hx.  I can't afford the BRAC testing as my insurance doesn't cover it. 

I have never worried about BC until about two years ago.  I started feeling calcifications all around my RT nipple and behind it, deeper and farther back.  My dr. and BS did explain that these do occur because of age and mammo has never come back  suspicious on that side. But my gut has been screaming at me for these past two years that something is wrong there. (i did have to have an ultrasound once on my RB because of microcalcifications, but it was decided no need to biopsy).

My BS has no problem doing a MX on my LB because of the partial MX there already.

I explained to him i have been worrying about the other breast, which didn't sway him much, but then i also stressed that because of being divorced, on limited income because of MS, so on SSDI and working part-time w/o benefits, I couldn't afford to get BC because i can't afford to take off work for lots of tx's because if i don't work, i don't get paid.  I also explained that I want to match, and I don't mind matching flat.  I'm really not interested in reconstruction.

He totally understood those issues and also he knows i won't get anymore biopsies done. I won't go through what my sisters have gone through, he understands and agrees with that also.

But to tell you the truth, the biggest reason i want the BMX is because of my gut saying get rid of that RB, which hasn't had a problem.  Also, the left one really is awfully deformed and i do want to match.

Does anyone understand my reasoning for wanting this done and does it make sense to you.  It totally makes sense to me, but thought i'd run it by objective people.

Don't get the idea the BS is fighting me on this, he isn't, he just wants me to be sure since i have not been diagnosed as yet. (I'll bet money the RB comes back with something though). He's having me come back in three months and if i still feel the same way, he will do it, no problem. He wants me to wait the three months to give me extra time to gain strength back, because MS causes you to take just a little bit longer to bounce back, not much. He insists that what i had was major surgery, since he checked my SLN as well.  I also think he wants me to have time to think, which i don't see anything wrong with either.

I realize we all make our own decisions.  I just think mine is logical, even if i didn't have such a strong gut feeling, i sure don't like how i look now.  But i also think i should listen to what my body is telling me.   But I am more than willing to listen to what others think of my thinking processes here.  I really want your feedback, so if you don't mind taking the time, please help.

Thanks so much,

Marian

Mykidsmom
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Nov 7, 2009 06:58 am Mykidsmom wrote:

Marian - My right breast was prophylactic. My BS wanted me to do the close monitoring and bx's, but my oncologist and PS totally agreed w/ my decision. And there were developing problems on the breast "with no issues" after they bx'd it.

I woudl say go w/ you gut! You are the one that needs to live w/ your decision. And you are the one who is worried! A matched set of girls is nice to have.

Prophylactic Bilateral Mastectomy w/ Tissue Expanders - 12/08 Exchange 04/09
Diagnosis: 8/25/2008, LCIS, Stage 0
moonbuddy
Atchison, KS
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Nov 7, 2009 10:03 am moonbuddy wrote:

My kids mom-

Thank you so much, mykidsmom.  i guess what's different is that my left was an "accidental" prophylactic, but that was due to circumstances beyong my control  Besides, last nite i looked up everything on path report.  Besides describing the breasts of a menstruating woman, which i'm not, most of the things on it, were described as "hard to tell from DCIS", which from the first biopsy was the problem, they couldn't decide if it was DCIS or not.  On the last path they decided it wasn't.  I've heard a lot of horror stories, where in that tight of a case, they just didn't get it "right".   But since they did the partial MX and took nipple and aerola and another 6 cm all around it, i don't even need another opinion.  It's ugly! YUK!  I'd much rather have a flat MX than a half MX. Thank you again, because i sure feel like the other one is the one with a problem whether it shows up on mammo or not. 

I tend not to go to the dr. because of fear of making an ass out of myself.  Since they've said RT is ok, i won't argue w them, or push for more tests, so better to take the chance while i have it and get it rmoved.

And yes, I definitely want to match.  Did you have any "feelings" one way or another about the so called "good one"?  Were you surprised there were develing problems in it before you had it removed?

Thanks,

Marian

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