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  • Posted on: Nov 4, 2009 11:38 pm
Joined: Nov 2009
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kenziezmommie wrote:

My mom was diagnosed with triple negative IDC a couple of weeks ago.  She had the mastectomy last Tuesday, and there was no cancer in any lymph nodes, which the doctor's are amazed with since the tumor was >5 cm.  Before the mastectomy, the dr.s were CERTAIN the cancer had metastasized to the lymph nodes, and her treatment plan was surgery, aggressive chemo, and then radiation.  Now even though they know it did not metastasize, they are still planning the aggressive treatment.  Can anyone tell me why that is?  She lives in a very small town, and I am worried she is not getting the right info...  She won't go anywhere else because of insurance reasons...  Why would she still need radiation when it hasn't metastasized?

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CoolBreeze
Sacramento
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 458
Nov 5, 2009 12:04 am CoolBreeze wrote:

I thought with triple neg they did chemo first to see how the tumor would respond?  Triple neg is a particularly nasty form of cancer that doesn't always respond to standard treatment. 

Even though lymph nodes are clear, some cancer cells may have slipped by and with certain kinds of cancers, they will want to do chemmo anyway.  I have no node involvement but because I'm HER2+  I need chemo anyway.

I'm sure a triple neg person will speak up and let you know, I don't know that much about it.

Ann's cancer blog. http://butdoctorihatepink.blogspot.com/
Diagnosis: 8/17/2009, IDC, 4cm, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2+
2new4Dee
Chandler, AZ
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 36
Nov 5, 2009 12:08 am 2new4Dee wrote:

Kenziemommie,

I can understand why you would be concerned about the level of care your Mom receives.  I am triple negative as well and luckily had no nodes involved.  I had a bilateral mastectomy and am currently going through 6 months of aggressive chemo.  I won't be having radiation because my tumor was right at the surface of the skin away from the chest wall.  The mastectomy was enough in my case.  Triple negative breast cancer is extremely aggressive and can only be treated with chemo and radiation.  Since the cancer is not hormone receptive, there isn't any drugs we can take once we are through with treatment.  Aggressive chemo and radiation is your Mom's best plan of action to keep the cancer from recurring.  That being said, it is always good to get a second opinion whenever possible.  Take care of your Mom the best you can and come to these boards often.  There are many great women here that are more than willing to help anyway they can.  Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions.  Stay strong for your Mom, she's going to need you to help her get through this.  Good luck.

Dee 

EVERY month is breast cancer awareness month once you have it.
Diagnosis: 5/18/2009, IDC, 3cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
pennylane
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 146
Nov 5, 2009 06:23 am pennylane wrote:

Hi K...I am triple neg and 4-years out....I have read a lot about triple neg in the past 4-years and have met many, many long-term triple neg survivors.   It is usually a high-grade bc and therefore often gets this nasty rep.  Yet all I know for sure about triple neg is that there is no targeted treatment and that is the reason that it is always treated with chemo...and it is generally thought to really respond to chemo as opposed to hormone positve bc.  Triple neg also is thought to have fewer cases of recurrance after 3-5 years out....so it is not all bad news.  It is just a little harder to believe in the beginning because recurrance rates are a little higher the first couple of years....I am so happy your mom has no node involvement...that is such a wonderful prognostic indicator...Stay on these boards during treatment...the women here are smart and supportive....Best wishes, P


Diagnosis: 8/1/2005, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/11 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
Luah
Toronto
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 124
Nov 5, 2009 09:27 am Luah wrote:

Pennylane: So nice to meet you. I just got my path report back and was reeling from my trip neg diagnosis, also I have one of 4 nodes with micromets. :(  I'm getting opinions now on whether to have a complete node dissection first, then move into chemo and rads; or potentially move right into chemo/rads. Feel like a time-bomb's ticking! 

There's so much bad news out there about trip neg - congratulations on being disease free 4 years out!

kenziemommie: From what I understand about this cancer, you want to be as aggressive as humanly possible!  No nodes is great, but coolbreeze is right - there's always a chance of some random cancer cells floating around.


Diagnosis: 9/14/2009, IDC, 2cm
kenziezmomm…
Joined: Nov 2009
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Nov 5, 2009 10:54 am kenziezmommie wrote: Thank you all so much.  I didn't quite know if it was right for me to have registered here, considering I'm not the one with the cancer.  But you have all made me feel quite different about it.  My mom is 56, and I am 32.  I feel so scared by all of this.  I was hoping that she wouldn't need the rads due to the fact that the cancer did not metastasize, but the trip neg is pretty aggressive, I guess.  She is very depressed because the chances of being reconstructed after rads is slim to none, and I thought she might be better knowing she wasn't going to need it.  Thank you again for all of your support, and I will hang out here for a bit if you don't mind!  God Bless all of you.Innocent
thenewme
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 126
Nov 5, 2009 03:37 pm thenewme wrote:

kenziezmommie,

Was she given the option for reconstruction with expanders placed at the time of her mastectomy?  What do her doctors say about the reconstruction?  I had expanders placed with my mx, completed aggressive chemo, and rads, and will complete my reconstruction next year, so it is definitely doable, but her doctors may have specific reasons for their recommendations.  Or did she initially decide against reconstruction but now wants it?  If so there may still be options for her, even after rads, so don't count it out yet.  Has she consulted with a breast plastic surgeon (the one who did her mx may have been a breast surgeon but not necessarily a reconstruction expert.).  

It sounds like her treatment is pretty much standard care for TN.  I had a 5-cm tumor but no definite node involvement, but I did have radiation because of a "suspicious" IM node and because of the large size and aggressiveness of my tumor. Do you know why they were so certain that it had metastasized?  Do you have more specifc information abot her pathology?  If so and if you feel comfortable sharing, I bet someone here has similar experience they can offer.

She's lucky to have you to help support her through this!  Best of luck and let us know how she's doing!


Diagnosis: 11/2008, IDC, 5cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 0/9 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
kenziezmomm…
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 4
Nov 6, 2009 10:53 am kenziezmommie wrote:

Thanks 4 the info, thenewme!  They did not offer my mom the expanders as of yet, and I think it has something to do with her weight.  She weighs 92 lbs soaking wet, and that is her norm.  They are quite concerned about her getting through the chemo.  Dr. said she needed to start packing on more weight.  Also, during the lumpectomy, the surgeon took about 3 cm of the tumor, but couldn't get to the rest because it had already started going through the chest wall.  He removed the rest during the mastectomy.  I will try to get better path specs for you the next time I talk to her tonight.  It is good to know that reconstruction is doable after radiation.  Her Dr.s are telling her it is probably not going to be possible due to the scarring and burning caused by the rads. 

Raye99
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,331
Nov 6, 2009 02:32 pm Raye99 wrote:

Hi Kenzie Mommie -

I am sorry to hear about your mother, but so glad to hear the bc is not in her lymph nodes. That is good news. I was diagnosed at 39 with triple negative bc and had a 5cm tumor (as well as a 1cm tumor) and three positive lymph nodes.

I had my mastectomy first, then chemo followed by radiation.

My rads onc. explained to me the reason I had to have radiation was due to various factors: 1. The tumor being 5cm. 2. 3 or more lymph nodes involved. 3. vascular involvement.

Now, she told me if the tumor was 5cm or less in size and I had no lymph node involvement, she would not press for the rads, but because I had three lymph nodes affected (one being 1cm), she insisted I have radiation. She also said that if I had had no lymph node involvement, but had my tumor been larger than 5cm, she would again recommend rads.

Perhaps your mom has vascular involvement? It sounds as though her tumor is large, maybe a bit larger than 5cm?

Please note that triple negative cancer responds well to chemo. That is good news.

If you want to PM me, please do. Also, there is a thread called Triple Negative. You will find more information and lots of support there.

Best wishes to you and your mom,

Raye


Diagnosis: 7/14/2006, IDC, 5cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 3/9 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
kenziezmomm…
Joined: Nov 2009
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Nov 6, 2009 06:55 pm kenziezmommie wrote:

Thanx Raye! Her tumor was >5 cm, and that is why they say she needs rads.  As far as vascular involvement, she didn't mention it, but I will ask her.  I have read in many different places that the trip neg responds very well to chemo, and that is wonderful news.  My hope is that after the chemo they will tell her she won't need the rads.  Thank you for the great info and support!  It is nice to know that there is support out there for the ones involved that don't have the cancer.  I know we don't go through the disease and treatment, but it is mentally and emotionally draining on family and friends of the patients also!  Thanks again, and best wishes to you also.

caligirlnin…
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5
Nov 8, 2009 09:17 am caligirlnindy wrote:

hello to all of my TN sisters,

just reading all of the posts just gave a boost of encouragement.  first hearing that i was TN was a blow. i had my lump on Oct. 30 recovering from that and my mammosite placement for internal radiation is tomorrow.  then i have to joy of starting chemo next month wooooooo hooooooo.  my tumor was 3cm, but i am a DD so a mast wasnt really needed and all of my tests before surgery showed no lymph involvement.  they did a sentinel lymph biopsy and my lymphs are clear!!!  Kenziemommie,

i have to agree with everyone here, it sounds like your mother is getting great everything that she needs.  I live in a small town. Noblesville, IN.  BUT all of my drs. are top rate and my oncologist did his internship at Johns Hopkins. i moved here from Los Angeles and i dont believe i could have gotten any better treatment there!!!!

 STAY STRONG AND LIVE LONG

LRM216
Marietta, GA
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 667
Nov 8, 2009 09:55 am LRM216 wrote:

Triple negative cancer has no known established therapies other than lumpectomy/mastectomy, agreesive chemo and rads - that's it!  Those of us diagnosed as triple neg, at the advice of our oncs' opinion, usually choose to go as agressive as we can, as that is all we have.  I would strongly urge your mom to go for the most agressive treatment she can.  Of course, as with anything else in life, there are no guarantees, however, I don't ever want to be at some point in this disease where I had to say "if only I did.......".  By the way I am a young 62, a widow raising my 14 yr. old granddaughter and work full time as a legal asst in a large law firm for a heavy working partner and did it all just fine while on treatment (and had loads of side effects!).  I wish your mom the best of luck and a smooth treatment plan.  God bless.

Linda

I have been put on this frightening journey against my will, but I do not have to travel it alone.
Diagnosis: 2/23/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
thenewme
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 126
Nov 12, 2009 12:34 pm thenewme wrote:

kenziesmommie,

How's your mom doing? How are you holding up? Just thinking about you...!


Diagnosis: 11/2008, IDC, 5cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 0/9 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-

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