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  • Posted on: Feb 8, 2010 02:34 pm
Joined: Feb 2010
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Val5 wrote:

Hi, I'm new to this forum, so bear with me.   I was diagnosed with Breast Cancer November '09.  I had a lumpectomy on December 18, '09.  The margins were positive, had a second surgery to re-excise the margins on January 15, 2010.  The tumor was 1.5 cm., Grade 2, Stage I.  Node negative.  ER positive, and HER2 negative.  The oncotype dx was ordered and I got my recurrence score of 20, which I understand translates to a 13% recurrence rate.  I understand that score is in the gray area, so to speak, of whether chemo is beneficial for me or not.  I see the oncologist in a few days to hear his recommendation, which I'm guessing he's going to say that it's up to me if I want to do chemo or not.  Apparently it improves my chances by a whopping 3%, which to me doesn't seem like a lot. 

Does anyone out there have any advice or stories to share with that kind of Oncotype score?  I'm frustrated.  I want to do everything I can to reduce my chance of recurrence, but don't want to go through chemo if it's not necessary. 

Any comments will be appreciated.  Thank you. 

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lmays
Grayson, GA
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 79
Feb 8, 2010 02:49 pm lmays wrote:

Check out the Oncotype Roll Call discussion thread.  Loads of us have posted our scores and treatments.  It might give you some clarity.

Wishing you peace of mind as you go forward with your decisions.

fighting for my rack
Diagnosis: 11/2008, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
somanywomen…
Merritt Island, Fl
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 363
Feb 8, 2010 02:52 pm somanywomen wrote:

My onco scored at 14% chance recurrence...With chemo helping about same as you...I decided to change my lifestyle to more anti-cancer foods....changed to as much organic, hormone/chemical free ingredients in and on my body as I can control to make up for the choice of not doing the chemo...I just finished radiation, hoping that was a good call....No matter what choices we make, none of us can know what the future will bring...Just make the best one for you....We will always second guess our choices if recurrence happens, heck I've been second guessing what I could've, should've done to prevent this in the first place.....Wishing you the best with YOUR choice......

"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans", John Lennon
Diagnosis: 9/28/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage Ib, Grade 1, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
SDGirl
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 7
Feb 8, 2010 03:04 pm SDGirl wrote:

Hi!  I was diagnoised with bilateral bc in Jan/07.  My tumors were a little larger but my stage was 2, ER positive, node negative.  My oncotype dx was 11% on the left and 12% on the right.  My oncologists said chemo would improve my chances by only 2% and she left the decision up to me.  I decided not to have chemo and my oncologist said that would have been her recommendation as well.  A 2% improvement in the odds of a recurrance did not justify the potential damage to other organs in my body from the chemo.  It's been 3 years and I've never second guessed my decision......good luck!

Beggy
St. Clair Shores, MI
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 28
Feb 8, 2010 03:05 pm Beggy wrote:

 Our diagnosis is very similar (except I was grade 1).  After all my pathology reports were in (nodes were clear), chemo was not even an option for me.....that is, until my oncotype came back at a 17 and I fell in the dreaded "grey area".  I consulted 2 oncs, 2 MD's and did a lot of research. I finally decided that the 6% advantage afforded by chemo wasn't enough of a benefit for me to risk the short and long term SE's of chemo. Without chemo, my "cureability" dropped from 95% to  89%.  This is a very personal decision and only you can decide what is best for you. (Make sure you check out the "oncotype roll call" thread) 

Sally
Diagnosis: 10/20/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Val5
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5
Feb 8, 2010 03:21 pm Val5 wrote:

Thank you all for your comments.  I didn't know there was an oncotype roll call thread, so I'm heading there now. 

Val5
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5
Feb 8, 2010 03:27 pm Val5 wrote:

ok, I'm back.  Forgive my stupidity here.  Where exactly can I find the oncotype roll call thread?  I can't seem to find it.  Thanks ahead of time for your help.

PatMom
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 851
Feb 8, 2010 03:50 pm PatMom wrote:

It was buried, but I found it and bumped it.  If you go to the Active Topics tab at the top of this page, it should now be near the top of the first page.  It is called NEW Oncotype Dx Roll Call Thread . 

As a new member, you are restricted to 5 posts in 24 hours, but you can send as many private messages as you want/need to, so you can still get help even if you can't post.  To send a PM, click on the blue screen name of the person you want to send to.  When their profile comes up, click on the send member a private message on the top right of the page and start typing in the dialog box.

Until the time when someone comes up with a definitive "cure", we each have to cobble together what we believe will be the most effective treatment that we can live with, not merely survive.
Marion
Indianapolis, IN
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 57
Feb 8, 2010 04:26 pm Marion wrote:

Hello,

I had an Oncotype DX score of 21, 13% chance of recurrence.

I saw 2 oncologists and both told me that, to be on the side of safety, it was better to do chemo. They did not force me, they left it up to me. I could have said no. But I'm young (33) and they thought that anyone who is young has to do it. They pretty much told me : Will you be able to sleep at night if you don't do it?  

This is what you have to think about when deciding for or against chemo: will you be at peace with the decision not to do chemo? Will you be at peace knowing you did not do everything that was available to kill the cancer cells?

 I did chemo and I can tell you that if it ever comes back, at least I can say that I did everything that was available to me at the time to kill the cancer cells, and that I won't have any regrets.


Diagnosis: 7/23/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIa, Grade 1, 1/14 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
ivorymom
St Paul, MN
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 878
Feb 8, 2010 04:54 pm ivorymom wrote:

Hi Val, my Oncotype score was 22.  You can see the rest of my stats below.  I chose not to do chemo because I needed my physical strength and wits about me to get through a particularly difficult time with my business and personal life.  I was also deathly afraid of potential long-term damage from chemo.  In contrast to some women who would not be able to live with themselves if they didn't "throw everything at the cancer," I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I had lingering physical or cognitive issues resulting from chemo - and the cancer came back.

It's a very personal decision.  I'm completely at peace with mine.  BC is now a constant in my life, but I don't obsess about recurrence or get freaked out about doctor visits.  Today is my one-year cancerversary, and I'm looking forward to a full and fulfilling life ahead.  I hope you will, too.

meg
Diagnosis: 2/8/2009, IDC, <1cm, Stage Ib, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
southport
MD
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 189
Feb 8, 2010 05:10 pm southport wrote:

Hi Val, 

I was diagnosed with bilateral BC and had oncotype scores of 14 and 19.  I chose not to do chemo because I couldn't find an oncologist who really thought I should - I spoke with three of them and they were all ambivalent.  I didn't need radiation and have been taking tamoxifen for just over a year.  If you are really undecided and would like to be part of a clinical trial, you could enroll in the TailorX trial which is trying to determine if chemo benefits women who have intermediate range oncotype scores.  

I will say that I sometimes worry about not doing the chemo.  If I get a recurrence, I may kick myself for not having done it.  But, then again, there are lots of women who do chemo and get recurrences.... I think you have to be able to be at peace with your decision.  You also have to take into account your entire medical history.  If you have any chronic conditions which would make it difficult to have chemo, that might be a deciding factor.

It's not an easy decision.  Good luck to you!

Diagnosed age 44 with BL BC Sept. 08; right side 5mm, left side 1cm. BL mast. Oct. 08, expanders, exchange to silicone implants Feb 09. Taking tamoxifen and Boniva.
Diagnosis: 10/2/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
fortunate1
San Diego, CA
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 463
Feb 8, 2010 05:12 pm fortunate1 wrote:

I was pretty similar to your stats. The gray area is an awful place to be. My Onc and DH(statistics guy) explained the statistics to me and I eventually agreed..... no chemo. The 3% improvement? They said it this way - that if 100 BC patients with my stats opted for chemo, only 3 of them would have any benefit. That did it for me.

The Onc said that Femara was the big fighter for me. I still dither about it all now and then, but I trust the Onc. 

Good luck

Single mast, one-step with Alloderm and implant; no radiation, oncotype 20.5, no chemo, Femara.
Diagnosis: 12/10/2008, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
daisy6
WI
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 387
Feb 8, 2010 05:18 pm daisy6 wrote:

Hi Val

If you decide against chemo (or even if you have chemo), my recommendation is to get a referral to see a dietitian.  I saw one that specializes in breast cancer, it showed me that there are many things I can do to prevent a recurrence.  I think it was the best decision I made

Pic is the REAL Daisy, we won an owner/dog lookalike contest !
Diagnosis: 8/15/2008, DCIS, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
rreynolds1
Guilford, CT
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 331
Feb 9, 2010 05:29 am rreynolds1 wrote:

My score was 18 and I decided not to have chemo.  It was not a difficult decision for me.

Roseann

Roseann
Diagnosis: 2/2/2009, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
lmays
Grayson, GA
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 79
Feb 9, 2010 08:29 am lmays wrote:

Val5 - I hope you will let us know what you decide.Have been thinking about you and remembering back to my own decision. (Oncotype score 12 - no chemo.  Just realized I left this out of my original post to you)

Would be great if we could be guaranteed comfort and clarity in these choices.  For most of us, we just pick a path that makes the most sense, set our hats, and go. 

Like fortunate1, my husband is a stats guy and helped me work out what 3% really meant to me and my condition.  So I went on Tamoxifen a year ago and never looked back.

Warm hugs and best wishes.

fighting for my rack
Diagnosis: 11/2008, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Val5
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5
Feb 9, 2010 03:02 pm Val5 wrote:

Thank you all for your posts.  It has been immensely helpful to me.  I was supposed to see the oncologist tomorrow, Wednesday.  He's located in Baltimore, MD, and as most of you have heard, unless some of you just don't ever watch the weather, we're supposed to get a LOT of snow here.  Record-setting.  In case I haven't mentioned it, I HATE SNOW!!  It's totally messing up my plans here. 

But that being said, my appointment got postponed because the office will be closed.  I'm not happy about it, but it's nobody's fault there is a Major Winter Storm coming..  Again... 

I'll post what I decide after I talk with the oncologist and see what his recommendation may be.  My surgeon did put it to me this way, is four rounds of chemo worth 3%?  You know, for some people it may be.  Not sure it is for me.  The oncologist I'm seeing told a good friend of mine, who has BC and had a score of 18, to not do chemo, the negatives outweighed any benefit.  He actually had to talk her out of it.  I may get the same advice, but not sure yet.  I'm hoping he'll call me over the phone and discuss it with me rather than making me wait another couple of weeks for the next scheduled appointment. 

I'm getting impatient here because this all started back in November, first surgery December, second surgery January 15th, and I just feel like I should either be in the middle of radiation or something by now.  Don't like all the waiting.  Maybe it's no big deal with my kind of BC, meaning no lymph node involvement, etc, but I get nervous sometimes. 


Diagnosis: 11/5/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
fortunate1
San Diego, CA
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 463
Feb 9, 2010 03:21 pm fortunate1 wrote:

Val5, Good luck... and stay warm. Viewed from the other end of this process, yes, the waiting is OK. I was sure the BC was going to spread while the docs waited to squeeze me in, "could you come in three weeks from now? We have an opening then." Turns out we can relax a bit, though its almost impossible to do.

Single mast, one-step with Alloderm and implant; no radiation, oncotype 20.5, no chemo, Femara.
Diagnosis: 12/10/2008, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Val5
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5
Feb 10, 2010 06:11 pm Val5 wrote:

Just reporting back on my decision.  My oncologist called me today to discuss my oncotype score, and his advice was,with a score of 20 he would not push chemo.  Which suits me just fine because I wasn't a real enthusiast.  It was tremendously helpful to read all your comments and experiences and helped me to make my decision to not have chemo.  I'm comfortable with it, I'm going to get my radiation, start Tamoxifen and hopefully never have to worry about this again.  Thank you all. 


Diagnosis: 11/5/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
lmays
Grayson, GA
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 79
Feb 11, 2010 01:02 pm lmays wrote:

Val5 - delighted that you got the news you seemed to be hoping for and peace of mind about your decision.  Hang in there, girl.  You're on your way!!

fighting for my rack
Diagnosis: 11/2008, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

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