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  • Posted on: Jan 7, 2009 12:36 pm
Gatineau, Qc
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 72
Sig wrote:

Hi, I wonder how many of you did manage to get a prophylactic mastectomy. I had a right mastectomy nearly two years ago and about 6 months ago asked to have a prophylactic mastectomy of my left breast and was denied. I asked to my surgeon and to my two oncologists and they all said no because it is not neccessary due to my diagnostic. They said if I would have LCIS then they would consider but not for IDC. In fact my path report state that I have a bit of cancerisation of the lobule but my main cancer was DCIS and IDC. I know a girl which was also told no and she is treated at a different cancer clinic. So wonder if it is a protocol in Canada not to do a prophylactic mastectomy. As per this board It seems to be quite easy to get it in the United State thought. 

Sig


Dx 1/16/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 2/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Vinessa
VA
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 5
Jan 7, 2009 12:54 pm Vinessa wrote:

    Hey Sig,

      I just had a bilateral mastectomy Friday.  The cancer was diagnosed in the left breast but due to family history, I wanted to take care of matters once.  I will tell you that the doctors saw suspicious lessions on the right breast from an MRI screening and wanted to do further tests.  Time was getting away...and I did not want to have to go through a MR guided biopsy.  Doctors are careful not to steer the patient on these personal choices.  I saw this immediately and understand their dilema.  I pushed the issue.  I had to push it on my surgeon and she finally agreed that for me it was probably wise.  Last night when she phoned to give me the pathology report,  I suspect she was reluctant to tell me that there was no invasive cancer in the other breast that was removed.  However, I have no regrets. I won't worry so much now.  Symmetry is always good as well.  So, you be sure to follow your gut with your treatment.  It's your body, your decision, just make sure you're the one in charge. Take care of yourself.

Vinessa

Beesie
Toronto
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,849
Jan 7, 2009 03:47 pm Beesie wrote:

Sig,

I remember watching the t.v. special that Dr. Marla Shapiro did about her breast cancer diagnosis and treatment.  She had the same surgeon and PS that I did in Toronto.  She said that her surgeon did not feel that a bilateral was necessary for her and recommended against it, but she decided that this was what she wanted and he of course did the surgery.  

Based on stats I've seen, a higher percent of women in the U.S. have bilaterals than elsewhere.  In cases where this is not considered medically necessary or advisable (i.e. BC in both breasts or a previous BC in the other breast or BRCA+ or LCIS, etc.), it's unclear why this is.  It's been speculated that many doctors may not clearly explain risk levels to their patients and as a result, patients assume that their risk (of recurrence or a new BC) is higher than it really it. It's also been speculated that in some areas of the U.S., a mastectomy and/or bilateral is seen as a being the standard treatment after a diagnosis of BC and therefore is more often presented to the patient as a good option.  Simply based on the fact that more mastectomies and bilaterals are done in the U.S., I would guess (just a guess, mind you) that more doctors in the U.S. are more quickly agreeable to a bilateral, if the patients asks for one.  I think in Canada our surgeons are more likely to resist and explain that a bilateral is not necessary medically (whether this is protocol or not, I don't know) but in the end, if it's what the patient wants, my understanding is that there is no reason within our health care system why it can't be done.  The Canadian health care system pays for any breast surgery and reconstruction necessary due to breast cancer, and any surgery required on the other breast in order to achieve symmetry.  If the patient's choice for the other breast is a prophylactic mastectomy with reconstruction, all costs would be covered.  You just might have to insist forcefully to get your doctor to agree to do it.

While I think this is an individual choice, I do want to add one comment to Vinessa's post.  Symmetry is not always good for those who have a bilateral, if you have reconstruction.  I read so often about women choosing to have a bilateral in part because they want to have both sides reconstructed at the same time in order to achieve symmetry.  But in the end, there is no guarantee of symmetry with any reconstruction because each side reacts differently to the surgery.  So in my mind while there are lots of good reasons to have a prophylactic mastectomy, reconstructive symmetry is not one of them.

Dx 9/15/2005, DCIS 6cm+ Grade 3 w/ IDC microinvasion, Stage I, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR-
lindasa
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,496
Jan 7, 2009 03:57 pm lindasa wrote:

I think it would be interesting to see statistics re the ages of women who choose bilateral masts.  JMO but it seems more pre-menopausal women are requesting it.  This might be related to the fact that younger women may think "Well, I'll probably get bc again in the other breast over the next 30-40 years, so I might as well have them both taken off now".

Perhaps us older "geezerettes" don't think that way???


Dx 1/10/2008, LCIS, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
barbe1958
Barrie, ON
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,967
Jan 9, 2009 06:17 am barbe1958 wrote:

I got a BM and haven't regretted it one second. I asked my surgeon what he would do if I was his daughter/wife/mother. Then you get a true answer.

Perhaps they see no need for you to go back into surgery. Perhaps if you had requested it at the same time....

Papillary Carcinoma, BM Dec 16th/08 no re-con. no foobies.
Dx 12/10/2008, 1cm, Stage I, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Sig
Gatineau, Qc
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 72
Jan 14, 2009 07:19 pm Sig wrote:

Thanks everyone for your input. At the time of my diagnostic I was so devastated and scared that I just want that cancer removed as soon as possible. Having a prophylactic mastectomy never crossed my mind at that time. I just remember that the BS show me on the computer (MRI slide)  that my other breast was healthy and the bad one was not healthy and I was going to loose it for good. I was in shock. I just wish that I would found this web site before my diagnostic as I got a lots of good information.

Sig 


Dx 1/16/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 2/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
tundrabunny…
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 2
Jan 28, 2009 01:14 am tundrabunny wrote:

Hi Sig,  I had bilateral prophylactic mastectomies three years ago and am now on the wait list for diep reconstruction.  I didn't have breast cancer.  I think the doc was put on the spot because both my sister and I wanted the surgery 15 years ago after our mother died of BC.  Our grandmother, and two aunts all survived the disease.  Anyway, 15 years ago we were both denied, her in Ottawa and myself in Winnipeg.  Two and a half years ago, my sister, who had moved to WInnipeg and was just shy of 50, was diagnosed.  I scheduled an appointment with her surgeon to again request a BPM.  Unwittingly, my appointment was scheduled for the exact time as my sister, who was having her drains removed post surgery.  Given the strong family history she really couldn't say no.  I had the surgery and have never, not once, regretted it.  I am going to have reconstruction because I haven't been able to find a decent prosthesis, even after having a set custom made.  My sister, Frances, died in November 2007.  I wish she would have had the opportunity to make the choice I was able to.  Since Fran's death, another sister has had BPM with TUG-Flap reconstruction.  I still have two sisters who have chosen to wait.  We got the genetic testing results back last year and we are not carriers of the BRAC1 or BRAC2 genes.  Unfortunately that doesn't change the fact that our family gets breast cancer.  A 45 year old cousin is now undergoing treatment for Breast Cancer. 

I don't understand the logic in the surgeons not wanting to do the surgery.  This is not something a woman would do on a whim.  I wish you luck.Wink

momof4stars…
Windsor, ON
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 77
Mar 15, 2009 10:23 pm momof4stars wrote:

I got a BPM after being dxed with IDC. No argument from my surgeon. However I did get it at inital dx. I am in Windsor HTH

Stage ll, grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- (Triple negative)
mginger
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 83
Mar 17, 2009 07:52 pm, edited Mar 17, 2009 07:53 PM by mginger mginger wrote:

      I asked for a prophylactic mastectomy, neither my plastic nor my bc surgeon wanted to do that. ''we do not take away sane parts of the body''. My mom is a nurse. When I told her that I wanted the ''good'' breast to be removed, she said I was nuts and argued the same thing as my surgeons. Beesy is right (as alwaysWink): my plastic surgeon told me that bilat does not garanty symmetry. He told me that he had just done one and the right side did not react at all like the left side (and he is a very good surgeon...)


Dx 4/10/2008, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, /0 nodes, ER-/PR-
DragonladyT…
On
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,356
Mar 22, 2009 08:07 pm DragonladyTina wrote:

I had a bilateral with recon, no argument from my surgeon or plastic surgeon. Proph. on the right side. I am in Windsor.

Tina

Live, Laugh and Love
Dx 12/2/2004, 5cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/19 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
hrf
ON
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 848
Apr 28, 2009 05:09 pm hrf wrote:

I had BM. I'm BRCA2+

Helen
Dx 2/6/2009, ILC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 1, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Katalin
Toronto, ON
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 206
Apr 28, 2009 06:52 pm Katalin wrote:

I had a bi lat but had to fight for it.  they'll give it to you if you have high anxiety.  PM me if you want details!


Dx 7/1/2006, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
prettyinpin…
Ontario
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 5,084
May 8, 2009 12:31 pm prettyinpink100 wrote:

I too had a bilat mast.  My surgeon did not think it was an unreasonable request due to multifocal cancer in the 'bad boob'.  No recon for me and I have never regretted  that  choice.  

I think that some people tend to underestimate the possible problems that can result from any surgery, both physical and psychological.  A doctor is well aware of and always considering what could happen.  They take an oath to do no harm, and that can mean different things to different docs.  That is probably why so many are hesitant to do a proph mast.  

I would  suggest that if you are sure that this is what you want you fight for it, but listen to the docs reasons for not wanting to do it.  And if necessary, find a doc that will consider doing it.  If you just take your docs original refusal, he will believe that he made the right choice for you because you seemed to accepted it without question.

PIP
Dx 2/1/2007, IDC, , Stage IIIb, Grade 2, 9/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Amy1971
Hamilton
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 51
Jun 11, 2009 12:07 pm Amy1971 wrote:

hello all

I had a mx on my right side in 2007

May 25 I had a prophylactic mx on left side with tissue expanders placed with no arguments on the removal of the other breast.

I seen Dr. Dalcin and Dr. Hodgson have first check up today hmmm doesnt look great at this point but have all faith in them that I will love my new breasts.


Dx 10/10/2007, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, 3/14 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-

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