Posted on: Jun 15, 2009 08:34 AM
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Can-D wrote:
Hi all, I wanted to start a forum for all us that are using the cold caps to try to save our hair. I am on FEC100 X3 followed by Taxotere X3. My dosage unfortunately is not a guaranteed success. I am 40 days out from my first treatment and will have my third June 17. So far I have thinned but have not required a wig. I have no bald spots; however, around my right ear is the thinnest..I think because the cap wasn't tight there. All in all, I am pleased to still have a good covering. If you are using or have used the Cold Caps, I would love to hear your experience. Take care, Candy
FEC100 X3 followed by Taxotere X3
Dx 3/19/2009, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
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Laura5
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Apr 30, 2012 10:38 AM Laura5 wrote:
Hortense, Several ladies on this thread recommended DermOrganic shampoo and conditioner. I purchased it from Amazon, but I think many salons carry it as well. Dance, I also purchased the Kenra spray on - leave in conditioner from Amazon but never needed it. I ordered a satin pillowcase from Amazon as well, good old Amazon! I never used any of these products ahead of treatment, but I did follow Penguins protocol throughout treatment and had great success.
tc9876, I am so sorry to hear that you are losing so much hair. Can't help but wonder if the new machine doesn't work as well as using a freezer or dry ice. I also wonder about the higher temperature they recommend for the machine. Hang in there, you are still so much better off than you would be without the caps.
Diagnosis: 6/3/2011, IDC, 2cm, Stage I, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+
makingway
Orange County, CA
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Apr 30, 2012 11:16 AM makingway wrote:
I am putting together a list of haircare products all cold cap users have liked. If you've used one not listed please send me a PM. Thanks!
www.penguincoldcap.net/product...
Diagnosis: 3/2/2009, ILC, 4cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 1/19 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Apr 30, 2012 11:30 AM dancetrancer wrote:
Alright ladies. I notice that I'm finding little white flakes in my hair that look like dandruff. (I've never had dandruff.) Is this because I'm not washing my hair very much? Is this normal for the cold cap process? It's a bit itchy and annoying.
TCHX6 started 4/10/12; 33 rads; BMX w/fat grafting; DX: 7/29/11 @ age 43: Stage 1A on L (3 mm IDC, Gr 2 ER/PR+, HER2+) 0/3 nodes w/ 6 cm DCIS; Stage 0 on R (2 mm DCIS Gr 2). IDC was missed on L by first 3 path reviews; see bio for details.
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Apr 30, 2012 11:40 AM ArleneA wrote:
Sadly it is normal for most of us cold cap users (regardless which cap you used). You'll have to try different shampoos and find the one that works best for you. I finished chemo last June and still have it occasionally. I just tried Aveda and it seems to make it worse. The one that seems the best for me (and we are all so different) is Mill Creek Botanicals. You are just going to have to experiment and find out which one works best for you. I try to stay as organic as possible.
You'll find the right one for you!
Diagnosis: 1/1/2011, IDC, 1cm, Stage Ia, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Apr 30, 2012 12:01 PM dancetrancer wrote:
What is it about the shampoo that is causing it? I'm using Nature's Gate shampoo. Standard sulfate/paraben free. Why does that cause dandruff?
TCHX6 started 4/10/12; 33 rads; BMX w/fat grafting; DX: 7/29/11 @ age 43: Stage 1A on L (3 mm IDC, Gr 2 ER/PR+, HER2+) 0/3 nodes w/ 6 cm DCIS; Stage 0 on R (2 mm DCIS Gr 2). IDC was missed on L by first 3 path reviews; see bio for details.
makingway
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Apr 30, 2012 01:40 PM makingway wrote:
I think the dandruff is due to the toxins leaching out. Chemotherapy drugs are alkaline. Some women have added vinegar to their shampoo to balance the pH. I think the amount was 1 teaspoon. Look back through the thread-it's here somewhere.
Diagnosis: 3/2/2009, ILC, 4cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 1/19 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
sebm9
Bay Area, CA
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Apr 30, 2012 03:50 PM sebm9 wrote:
dancetrancer: that flakiness is the drying effects of chemo (made more noticeable because you aren't washing your hair as often). Mine lasted for about a week, then really slowed down after my first hairwash, and went away totally after my second hairwash. Everyone is different. I hope it improves soon!
Susan
Diagnosis: 2/3/2010, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIa, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Apr 30, 2012 11:16 PM dancetrancer wrote:
Thanks guys. I have an email into Geralyn to see what she recommends; will post back.
TCHX6 started 4/10/12; 33 rads; BMX w/fat grafting; DX: 7/29/11 @ age 43: Stage 1A on L (3 mm IDC, Gr 2 ER/PR+, HER2+) 0/3 nodes w/ 6 cm DCIS; Stage 0 on R (2 mm DCIS Gr 2). IDC was missed on L by first 3 path reviews; see bio for details.
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May 1, 2012 02:17 AM luckyjnjmom wrote:
Dancetrancer,
I guess my experience was like Susan's , I didn't have much of an issue with white flakes. Frankly, I found that the Kirland (Costco) paraben, sulfate-free worked as well as anythign else I tried.
on an earlier post - you asked, when do you start feeling confident that you won't lose your hair - for me - the weeks PFC were the hardest - because I lost so little hair during chem. I shed heavily PFC for about 11 weeks - week 12 it started slowing down - I'm nearly 15 weeks PFC and it's virtually stopped. I would say I lost about 30% of my hair - never any bald spots - but definitely thin. I've had it short (just below the chin) for a while - but I hated the texture so much and the thinness that I got it cut even shorter two weeks ago - definitely increased the look and feel of fullness -
Hang in there - you'll keep your hair - it won't be the hair you started with - but it'll be pretty far from bald - I know it's hard to believe this when you're going through it - I had a hard time believeing it when others told me the same thing - but here I am - 15 weeks PFC with a full head of hair. Lucky
p.s. sorry to say - your brows and lashes - if you've kept them through chemo - which I did - will thin significantly post chemo - mine really thinned out about 8 weeks PFC (and I used Latisse throughout chemo). I have to say though that they grew back very fast.
Diagnosis: 8/22/2011, IDC, 2cm, Stage Ib, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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May 1, 2012 03:39 AM TheLadyGrey wrote:
I'm like luckyjnjmom -- lost virtually none during chemo have been shedding since -- 14 weeks PFC and it ain't slowing down. I'm taking BioSil and iron and washing every other day with the right shampoo in cool water. Not much else i can do!
I'm not really upset about it -- still have full coverage. I just wish I had known to expect it. Somehow I missed this aspect of the joys of BC treatment.
I can't imagine how weird it is going to look when all that hair grows back long enough to make itself known. It think it will fit nicely with the several nches of brown and grey roots I'm currently sporting. ALL the hip and trendy types are wanting this look.
On the dandruff thing, I started out using Burt's Bees adult shampoo/conditioner and had dandruff. I switched because it was so sudsy I wondered how it could be gentle (there was logic to that at the time). Dandruff went away.
I gave the Burt's Bees to my son who mentioned last week he stopped using it because of dandruff so I guess the type of shampoo can make a difference.
I've been using Latisse religiously and my lashes have grown back thick, short and straight out. My brows thinned but never went away completely. Naturally, the hair down south has come back like gangbusters except for a quarter sized patch right in the middle which is bare. SO weird.
Don't know about you all, but no one told me about ingrown pubic hairs as a side effect of chemo...... ouch.
Diagnosis: 11/1/2011, IDC, <1cm, Stage Ib, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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May 1, 2012 10:18 AM dancetrancer wrote:
Ouch is right TLG!!! Yikes!
Thanks to all for helping me to mentally prepare for either situation (or both?) -shedding a lot during chemo or shedding a lot post chemo. I still think it is going to be tough watching a good portion of my hair fall out, but it would be A LOT tougher if I didn't know to expect it. So again, thank you. It is also good to know there is no standard pattern, so I can't keep telling myself it will be "x" way or "y" way. I will just have to take it day by day and hope for the best.
Geralyn asked me if I was talking Silica compound. She seemed to think that it would help, but that I need to get my onc's approval, of course. I need to look into it. I am taking a TON of stuff already, not thrilled with the idea of introducing more stuff into my already whacked system.
I asked her about adding vinegar and her response was "just a few drops".
TCHX6 started 4/10/12; 33 rads; BMX w/fat grafting; DX: 7/29/11 @ age 43: Stage 1A on L (3 mm IDC, Gr 2 ER/PR+, HER2+) 0/3 nodes w/ 6 cm DCIS; Stage 0 on R (2 mm DCIS Gr 2). IDC was missed on L by first 3 path reviews; see bio for details.
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May 1, 2012 10:22 AM luckyjnjmom wrote:
TheLadyGrey -
I have the same sized patch of bladness down south in the same location - how weird!!! Also - the hair growing back is so much darker - normally I'm blondish - what's up with that! Sorry if this is TMI! Lucky
Diagnosis: 8/22/2011, IDC, 2cm, Stage Ib, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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May 2, 2012 12:47 PM Hortense wrote:
I'm preparing for chemo now and have ordered the caps. While speaking to a nutritionist at my health food store today about probiotics capsules and silica tablets a memory of using Knox gelatin for my nails came back so I mentioned it. He said that gelatin would be very good for hair as well as nails, so I plan to take it daily. I used to drink it as a broth, disolved with a boullion cube, every day and my nails grew long, healthy and beautiful. It can't hurt and may help.
Diagnosis: 1/24/2012, IDC, 1cm, Stage II, Grade 2, 2/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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May 2, 2012 01:05 PM victorious2012 wrote:
Dancetrancer, put a few drops of apple cider vinegar in your shampoo when you wash. I read that earlier somewhere in this thread and tried it when my hair was flaking. It seemed to work. I haven't had white flakes since.
Diagnosis: 11/12/2011, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 1/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
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May 2, 2012 02:31 PM Mamacath wrote:
Did anyone use cold caps with Adromycin and Cytoxin? I will have that for 4 cycles every 2 wks and then Taxol every week for 12 wks. In Park Ridge, IL
Diagnosis: 3/12/2012, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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May 2, 2012 11:46 PM dancetrancer wrote:
Thanks Victorious - I will try the vinegar next wash on Friday.
Had my second TCH yesterday. What a LONG day. They didn't get me started until maybe 10:30 or so, I was in the clinic til 5 p.m., and caps weren't done until 8:20 p.m. Ugggh, could not WAIT to be done with the caps. Exhausted!!!! Glad it's over, waiting for my 2nd round of SE to start hitting soon...
TCHX6 started 4/10/12; 33 rads; BMX w/fat grafting; DX: 7/29/11 @ age 43: Stage 1A on L (3 mm IDC, Gr 2 ER/PR+, HER2+) 0/3 nodes w/ 6 cm DCIS; Stage 0 on R (2 mm DCIS Gr 2). IDC was missed on L by first 3 path reviews; see bio for details.
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May 3, 2012 02:39 AM mdg wrote:
Mamacath - I did not do TAC so I can't answer your question with any experience. I know some girls on here did that chemo though. I also wanted to say "Hi Neighbor!". I am in the west burbs!!!
Maria Visit my BC Blog at
breastcancerwontdefineme.blogs... or my cooking blog at
thehealthycucina.com/ Diagnosis: 12/13/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Leveled
New jersey
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May 3, 2012 08:28 AM Leveled wrote:
Hi all, had third treatment last thursday, hair still hanging on but very dry and full of knots, scary when I try to comb through it, the whole knot comes out. Any suggestions on knots and the dryness? Thanks
Diagnosis: 11/21/2011, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Laura5
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May 3, 2012 08:42 AM Laura5 wrote:
Leveled, What shampoo and conditioner are you using? I used DermOrganic shampoo and conditioner and it worked very well. Many on here have used Kenra spray on leave in conditioner and said it helped. Are you using a REALLY wide tooth comb?
Diagnosis: 6/3/2011, IDC, 2cm, Stage I, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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May 3, 2012 10:29 AM Leveled wrote:
Laura5, I am using organix sulfate and paraben free shampoo and conditioner, I also have aveda but for some reason the smell makes me sick, maybe my comb is not wide enough. It's scary.........as far as the spray on conditioner, do you spray it on first and the comb your hair out? Can you get dermorganic in a store or online?
Diagnosis: 11/21/2011, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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May 3, 2012 08:28 PM Laura5 wrote:
Leveled, I ordered DermOrganic from Amazon, although many salons carry it. I purchased the Kenra, but never ended up needing to use it. Several on this thread did use it though. I might have ordered my comb from Amazon too, or maybe picked it up at Target, I can't remember. It is made by Goody and "ouchless" is on the handle. It is really wide and worked pretty well. I started at the bottom and combed very carefully.
Diagnosis: 6/3/2011, IDC, 2cm, Stage I, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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May 3, 2012 11:32 PM dancetrancer wrote:
Leveled, as Laura said, start at the bottom and work your way up - but also HOLD your hair above the knot (like in a little pony tail in your hand) so that when it catches, you hold the hair steady with your hand and no force is applied higher at the roots. Keeps it from pulling out at the roots as much. Even if it still breaks off a bit lower down, you've still got the root intact. hope this makes sense.
TCHX6 started 4/10/12; 33 rads; BMX w/fat grafting; DX: 7/29/11 @ age 43: Stage 1A on L (3 mm IDC, Gr 2 ER/PR+, HER2+) 0/3 nodes w/ 6 cm DCIS; Stage 0 on R (2 mm DCIS Gr 2). IDC was missed on L by first 3 path reviews; see bio for details.
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May 4, 2012 02:44 AM CousinItt wrote:
Hello everyone! I've been reading these posts from the beginning and figured I better get to the end a little sooner as my caps are due tomorrow or Monday. I will schedule round one of TCH x 6 after we've practiced. I've been rooting for all of you. It's great to see so many positive results, not only surviving BC chemo but with a lot of hair intact. It sure has given me a more positive attitude. You see, my hair is also my Halloween costume, Cousin Itt. I'm hoping it will still work this year! Everyone knows who Cousin Itt is though. Looking forward to chatting with you all.
Kathleen
Diagnosis: 2/28/2012, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 1/10 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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May 4, 2012 03:04 AM dancetrancer wrote:
Welcome Kathleen!!! Glad to have a fellow cold cap user on board!!! When I was little, I used to do Cousin It's laugh with my hair pulled forward over my face. I bet you pull off a great Cousin It at Halloween!
TCHX6 started 4/10/12; 33 rads; BMX w/fat grafting; DX: 7/29/11 @ age 43: Stage 1A on L (3 mm IDC, Gr 2 ER/PR+, HER2+) 0/3 nodes w/ 6 cm DCIS; Stage 0 on R (2 mm DCIS Gr 2). IDC was missed on L by first 3 path reviews; see bio for details.
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May 4, 2012 03:36 AM CousinItt wrote:
Just read your bio, Dance. I'm surprised you need the caps...I would've pulled my hair out in frustration! Dang, what a stressful time for you. Speaking of stress...that's already caused me some hair loss in the past couple of months. So try to think good thoughts and don't forget to breathe!
Diagnosis: 2/28/2012, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 1/10 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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May 4, 2012 04:39 AM dancetrancer wrote:
LOL CousinItt!!! It has indeed been a stressful ride for me - blech!!!! Can't wait for it all to be over, as everyone does!!! Thank you for the empathy and looking forward to hanging out here together. Love your username!
TCHX6 started 4/10/12; 33 rads; BMX w/fat grafting; DX: 7/29/11 @ age 43: Stage 1A on L (3 mm IDC, Gr 2 ER/PR+, HER2+) 0/3 nodes w/ 6 cm DCIS; Stage 0 on R (2 mm DCIS Gr 2). IDC was missed on L by first 3 path reviews; see bio for details.
Leveled
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May 4, 2012 08:33 AM Leveled wrote:
Thanks all, I will try to getter a larger comb and follow your instructions. I am also going to buy the kenra spray on conditioner, as my hair is really dry. Anyone know how long after chemo you can color your hair with a vegetable dye and get a trim.........provided its still on my head.
Wow Kathleen, you have one head of hair......I don't think I had that much my whole life.
Lisa
Diagnosis: 11/21/2011, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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May 4, 2012 10:39 AM maureeno wrote:
I am have just passed day 17 of chemo after using cold caps - so far no hair loss. My doctor said it would be today or not - any advise to keep the good folicle vibes going?
Diagnosis: 2/27/2012, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 1, 3/7 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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May 4, 2012 01:28 PM CousinItt wrote:
maureeno: wear regular freezer cold caps a couple hours per week.
Diagnosis: 2/28/2012, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 1/10 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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May 4, 2012 08:14 PM ckk wrote:
Lisa, the official hair color recommendation is 6 months PFC. This is what I received from PCC in February, which was different than what was on their site and original instructions:
Q. How long until I can color?
A. At least 6 months after your last chemo. If you want to color sooner you can color your hair using vegetable coloring with NO Peroxide or Ammonia based coloring kits 3 months after your last chemo.
I am just about 3 months PFC and about to color my hair (next week). I have had almost no shedding PFC, which is why I feel comfortable trying it. If I was still shedding, I would probably hold off. My hairdresser has a line of hair color that is peroxide and ammonia free, and did a patch test on me last week to see how my hair would react (no problems).
Hope that helps.
TCx4, last one 2/23/12, 33 rads txs starting on 3/19, then tamoxifen
Diagnosis: 10/25/2011, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-