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  • Posted on: Oct 22, 2009 08:30 pm
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momoftwo71 wrote:

Hello I had a mammotome biopsy Monday. The pathology was supposed to be ready yesterday and it wasnt. I was told they would call me today and they didnt. I called them this evening and I was told that the pathologist sent my biopsys too Vanderbilt. She didnt know why because he had not written a preliminary report.

Has anyone else had this happen? And why would the pathologist send it to someone else? Second opinion?

Thanks in advance, Kim

Kim
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leaf
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Oct 22, 2009 09:21 pm, edited Oct 22, 2009 09:22 PM by leaf leaf wrote:

I have not had it happen to me, but I read a post by someone a few years ago that they sent their slides to a 2nd institution to get a 2nd opinion (without telling the patient). 

This paper opines that up to 1 in 7 cases, there is disagreement between pathologists that could make a difference in clinical outcomes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19622588

This paper found differences in how immunological staining interpretation. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18958494

This paper found a lot of variability in breast cancer grading. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18698346  and this in small-volume node metastasis http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18182666

Its probably most likely that it was sent to get a 2nd opinion.  It is also possible that, for example, a machine needed repair, or they couldn't get properly working stains, etc.

You don't want the pathologist to make a mistake.  Its good to be getting a 2nd opinion.

If you're going through hell, keep going-Winston Churchill
momoftwo71
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Oct 22, 2009 09:49 pm momoftwo71 wrote:

Thanks Leaf, your right I dont want any mistakes made. And Ive read on here that Vanderbilt has a great pathology department so that makes me feel better.

Kim
LISAMG
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Oct 24, 2009 12:22 am, edited Oct 24, 2009 02:16 PM by LISAMG LISAMG wrote:

Kim,

Vanderbilt has the leading pathologists in the country for breast interpretations. If i needed a second opionion, this would be my choice for sure. They are considered to be the best at what they do and I would feel very confident in knowing my path report had top experts behind it, especially if there are questions re : benign vs. malignant. Sending B9 wishes to you and keep us posted.

momoftwo71
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Oct 26, 2009 01:32 pm momoftwo71 wrote:

Thanks Lisa, was called back today and told now it will be tues or wed of this week before I hear. UGGGHHH this waiting game sucks! Its been a week since the biopsy and my nerves are shot. Trying to work and take care of DH who now has the flu is about more then I can deal with. I will post as soon as I hear the report.

Kim
TenderIsOur…
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Oct 26, 2009 02:38 pm TenderIsOurMight wrote:

Sometimes the large well known pathology institutions also have special stains which may help further in diagnosis. Stains for blood vessel walls, neuroendocrine cells, and much more.

Good fortune and I hope they call you soon.

Tender

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momoftwo71
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Oct 28, 2009 06:52 pm momoftwo71 wrote:

I still havent heard anything. Vanderbilts breast pathology website said they get results out in 2-4 days. Well if it was recieved last week so its been longer than that now. The care navigator said it would be today and I have called twice, she never returned either call. I am losing trust in this clinic they keep telling me days that the results will be in only to not have them and not return calls. I think if they wouldnt have told me 5 different days the results would be in I wouldnt be a complete wreck. Trying to concentrate on my job while waiting for the calls is not going so well. Nobody wants a hairdresser who crys while she does your hair.

Kim
deborye
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Oct 28, 2009 06:56 pm deborye wrote:

I would start making calls myself, the waiting would drive me bonkers.

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Lisa1962
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Oct 28, 2009 07:13 pm Lisa1962 wrote:

Dear momoftwo71, I am so sorry for the waiting that you have had to endure!  The waiting is just excruciating!  I read on another board that because the results were B9 that the doctor didn't think that there was any rush to call the patient!  I found the exact opposite in my case---I had an MRI guided biopsy back on Sept. 29th, and on Oct. 1st (first thing in the morning----it hadn't even been a total of 48 hours since my biopsy) I received a call from my doctor telling me that all was B9.  I wouldn't hesitate to get on the phone first thing tomorrow morning to demand some answers.  If they don't have the report yet, then they can at the very least explain why such a LONG delay!  Good luck to you, and I'll be praying for some good news for you very soon.....Lisa

momoftwo71
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Oct 28, 2009 07:14 pm momoftwo71 wrote:

I just got a call back from the care girl. She said that she didnt have the report in her hand but that one of the radiologist had come by and told her that it was fibrodenomas, atypical hyperplasia, (spelling). She said this was good news and I would be followed up with a mammo and mri in six months. She said they would send a copy of the report to my dr tommorow. I will get a copy for myself because there is 6 more nodules with irregular borders that they didnt remove. And like I said before my trust in this clinic is damaged. thank you

Kim
Lisa1962
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Oct 29, 2009 12:06 am Lisa1962 wrote:

momoftwo71, I think as I was writing my last posting that you must have gotten your long-awaited call!  I'm really glad that they were finally in touch with you.  Great idea to get a copy of the report from your dr.  I can understand how your trust in the clinic is damaged.  I guess that you'll need to decide for your mammo & mri in 6 months if you want to return to them, or have your records sent somewhere else.  I am so sorry that the medical community specializing in breast health treated you the way that they did----I think that it's inexcusable for them not to be in touch to at least explain the delay.  My pathology showed a fibroadenoma also.  Best Wishes for healthy days ahead!....Lisa

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Oct 29, 2009 09:15 am TenderIsOurMight wrote:

Glad to hear your finding is benign but as yourself and the others, get the copy itself and review with them what their diagnosis is on the other six (?) lumps.

You may wish to get a second opinon too to review more lumps and given this Center's nonchalant attitude towards YOU.

Best, 

Tender

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momoftwo71
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Nov 2, 2009 10:06 pm momoftwo71 wrote:

Well my GYN got her copy of pathology in Friday and wants me to see a surgeon. She said she wasnt comfortable with my family history and the other nodules to wait 6 months. So I have an appointment tommorow at 1:30.  I dont have any idea what he will decide to do and that makes me nervous. 

 My sister was full of nodules and had multiple biopsys before she finally had a double mastectomy this year that showed she already had breast cancer. She was tested last year and found to have Cowdens syndrome and they told her her chances of getting breast cancer were high.

Kim
Lisa1962
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Nov 2, 2009 11:15 pm Lisa1962 wrote:

momoftwo71, I will be praying you through your appt. tomorrow with the surgeon.  I think that it's a good idea to have the appt. given your family history (I too have a family history, with my mom being a 6 year breast cancer survivor).  I am going to hope that your experience with the surgeon is what we expect from the medical community, especially dealing with such a highly personal area such as our breasts!  When you have a chance, let us know how your appt. went & what the surgeon's thoughts are.  Sending good thoughts & wishes....Lisa

leaf
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Nov 3, 2009 06:10 am, edited Nov 3, 2009 06:26 AM by leaf leaf wrote:

You may want to (eventually) consider getting genetic counseling.  When I had genetic counseling (in 2006), I was told I might have Cowden's syndrome (I had enough physical history to qualify if you consider my LCIS as breast cancer), but when it went before a panel, they said 'it would be a stretch' and was 'not medically necessary'.  I opted to not get tested (it would be out of pocket), and I already am at risk for bc (having LCIS).

http://www2.mdanderson.org/app/pe/index.cfm?pageName=opendoc&docid=2190

Of course, I am not a genetics expert, or a breast surgeon, and I was seen several years ago. Things may have changed a lot.

Please know we are thinking of you.

If you're going through hell, keep going-Winston Churchill
momoftwo71
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Nov 3, 2009 08:08 pm momoftwo71 wrote:

Had my appointment today, the surgeon will be doing surgery to remove 2-3cm area on the right side. He said that it was atypical lobular hyperplasia and he wanted to make sure that was all in that spot. He is also sending me for genetic testing at UAMS in Little Rock. 3 of the drs in this group looked at my MRI and ultrasound and decided that if I do test positive for anything that I will need a double mastectomy. I asked about the other nodules in both breasts and he said depending on the genetic testing and this next surgery we will go from there. He said ALH shows up in both sides sometimes.

I am having to wait and see when the genetics clinic can get me in. I do not have insurance and they are trying to find funding to cover it. He told me not to worry we are taking this in steps that we will do the surgery and genetics first then decide whats needed next.

This has been a long couple of months and I appreciate all who have answered my posts.

Kim
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Nov 4, 2009 01:39 pm treetoo wrote:

Hi Kim,

I have ALH.

In doing my research, I came upon this article...

no increase risk of bc when alh is found within fibroadenoma

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/84503951/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

good luck

tree

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Nov 4, 2009 09:13 pm treetoo wrote:

Kim,

What was found on the MRI and ultrasound?

Tree

momoftwo71
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Nov 5, 2009 09:50 am momoftwo71 wrote:

Tree after the sono and diagnostic I was called in for a consultation, she told me that I was full of what they were sure were fibrodenomas. But that 8 showed up with irregular borders and blood flow. Here is a copy of my ultrasound report.

Asymptomatic 38-year-old, first-order family history of premenopausal breast cancer. The screening examination of Sept 2 raised concern regarding a nodular-like density in the retroareolar mid one-third of right breast and additional imaging was advised. Targeted digitally aquaired radiographs and bilateral ultrasound are obtained today.

In the diagnostic radiographs, the shadow does not reproduce as a geographic findings of suspicious character. In the ultrasound examination, however, there are multiple bilateral findings of concern. In the 8 0'clock position, there are two hypoechoic subcentimeter nonshadowing nodules, the larger of which are about 0.92cm. They are not particularly sharply defined. There is no evidence of posterior shadowing.

In the 10 o'clock position peripherally, a similar attenuation 1-cm nodule, non-shadowing. It shows some internal vasculature, but no posterior acoustic shadowing.

Conclusion: Bilateral Birads Category :0 need additional imaging evaluation. Although the radiographic finding of concern is not reproduced, we sonographically demonstrate bilateral shadows of concern which are subradiographic. While these could be part of a background pattern of fybrocystic change and possible fibrodenomas, with her stron family history, we cannot exclude neoplasm. I would strongly advise breast MRI.

I had two nodules that enhanced on the MRI. The radiologist said that there were 8 with irregular borders but that these two enhanced so they would be the ones they biopsied. I do not have a copy of my MRI yet.

Here is the pathology report they gave me

Department of Pathology, 225 E.Jackson, Jonesboro, AR 72401

Tel:870-972-4508

Patient name: XXXXXXX, Kimberly XXXX

Collected 10/19/2009

Received:10/19/2009

Specimens received A: ultrasound biospy right breast B: Ultrasound biopsy left breast, Clinical history Right and Left breast masses

A. Ultrasound biospy of right breast: Atypical Lobular Hyperplasia involving a fibrodenoma

B:Ultrasound biopsy left breast: Fibrodenoma, biopsy, histologically benign

Comment These two specimens from this case were sent to Dr. David L Page at Vanderbilt Medical Center . mw/ 10/28/2009 diagnosis preformed by: D.B.Vollman, Jr. M.D. Gross Description. Ultrasound biopsy right breast: Received is a container of formalin labled, Kimberly XXX XXXXXX, right breast 4. Received in the container are multiple tan needle core biopsies ranging from 0.3 to 1.7 cm in length with diameters from 0.2 to 0.4 cm. No x-ray accompanies specimen. B:Ultrasound Biopsy left breast: Received is a container of formalin labled, 3KImberly XXXXXX XXXXX, left breast4. Received in the container are multiple tan needle core biopssies ranging from 0.2 to 1.7cm in length with diameters from 0.1 to 0.4 cm. No x-ray accompanies specimen.

Microscopic description A: This is a fibrodenoma which contains atypical lobular hyperplasia involving fibrodenoma B: This shows a cellular fibrodenoma. No atypical hyperplaisa is seen in the specimen. D: DBV 10/28/09 oc pl (Not available)

sorry this is son long, and I dont really understand any of what either says. Just that the surgeon wants to go in on the right breast and take 2-3cm more to make sure there was nothing left. And he wants me to have genetic counseling/testing.

Kim
treetoo
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Nov 5, 2009 01:21 pm treetoo wrote:

Hi Kim,

Hang in there.  I had my path report read by david l page as well.  he is top breast path guy for alh.

Read the article I attached in my earlier post, and since your path is being sent to dr. page, speak to him yourself on the phone, I did!  It's important to ask all your questions. He's a nice guy.

as far as imaging, what really matters is what's in the path report.  My mri had irregular edges as well and the lesion went away on the next mri. i chose not to have surgery and david l page agreed, granted every case is different.

alh contained in a fibrodenoma does not increase risk of breast cancer as stated in article, do a search yourself and talk to page.

good luck, it's learning process

tree

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Nov 5, 2009 01:23 pm treetoo wrote:

PS

get genetic testing, it may help, since there is history of premenopausal cancer

momoftwo71
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Nov 5, 2009 03:17 pm momoftwo71 wrote:

Thank you for the article I found some others like it online. The surgeon said his main concern was that there was nothing left in that area. My sister has a syndrome called Cowden's syndrome. She has had breast, and ovarian cancer (disgermanoma), she has also lost one kidney to the ovarian and they removed her thyroid for growths, she is 32. I am worried that I will test positive but I am more worried that I will get a invasive cancer.

Kim
treetoo
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Nov 5, 2009 08:10 pm treetoo wrote: Yes, lots of surgeons want to go back in and make sure it's not the tip of the iceberg.

BUT, since this is a fibroadenoma, show the surgeon the articles, talk to David l page, when you get his path report, post it.

There is no hurry here, take a deep breath, you don't have to have surgery right away, Knowledge is power, this is true.  I know it's difficult. Remember you have power, you are strong, take control.

If the surgeon goes in and removes more tissue and everything is OK, ask him what his plans are for the other 6 nodules?

Remember you make the decisions ultimately, take your time, think, research and if you pray, pray

Ask lots of questions.

I talked with 4 top breast surgeons, 4 pathologists, and two radiologists before I made my decision

Tree
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Nov 5, 2009 08:18 pm treetoo wrote:

ps

I looked up what your sister has and this is what I found...

CD is caused by a mutation in the PTEN tumor suppressor gene (also termed MMAC1 or TEP1) on band 10q23

You may not have the gene defect connected with this disease, but you may want to get tested, and if your sister has children, they may need to be tested too.

  • Carcinoma of the breast occurs in 20-36% of female patients and is one of the most serious consequences of CD. It also has been reported by Fackenthal et al in 2 men.4
  • Fibrocystic disease and fibroadenomas are present in approximately 75% of patients.

Tree
momoftwo71
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Nov 5, 2009 10:47 pm momoftwo71 wrote:

Thanks Tree, my sister has 2 children and she is going to have them tested. Her genetics Dr. said he would like to test our parents and me and my brother also. The problem is the expense of the tests.

I asked the surgeon what was to be done about the other 6 and he said he wanted the gentics test done before we decide what to do about them. I have been looking at everything I can find about this online. I emailed my sisters Dr. and he said I at least needed to come in and have a cancer evaulation in the genetics clinic.

Kim
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Nov 5, 2009 11:25 pm unklezwifeonty wrote:

Dear Kim,

Your pathology reports reads B9 to me. If the doctor recommends more proactive testing of the other nodes, that is something you should decide after taking a second opinion perhaps.

The gene tests should be covered by insurance depending on family history.

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Diagnosis: 7/2009, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 1/9 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-

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