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  • Posted on: Jan 9, 2008 11:33 pm, edited Aug 30, 2009 02:55 PM by Erica35
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 77
Erica35 wrote:

Looks like I'm special as I'm one of the <2% of patients who get this complication. Really tired of being special...

I don't want to scare anyone off of radiation....it's an important part of breast cancer treatment. There are risk factors for my complication such as supraclavicular and axillary radiation, high rads dose, young age, and concurrent chemo. If you have had paresthesias (burning, tingling, etc), numbness, swelling, or weakness in your radiated side could you respond to this? Since it is so rare, there is not much literature for me to go on about my prognosis. Looking for someone else with experience. I think it might be related to my having avastin after radiation.

Any of you other gals in the avastin treatment after radiation have any problems with arm pain, hand paresthesias, hand or arm weakness?

I'm really struggling through this freaking marathon, after having surgery, 4 months dd chemo, more surgery, radiation, 5 months avastin/xeloda continously since July 2006 I am now facing multiple complications. First I had a lung injury from the interaction of avastin with radiation which left me breathless and unable to exercise for a few months (started beginning of October, now resolved). Then I had this arm problem which started the end of October with burning in my hand and has now progressed so that I can't button things or open jars or cans or do anything that requires fine motor skills. Also my fingers are numb along with the constant burning and I have arm pain that feels like a vice. Apparently, there is no treatment for radiation-induced brachial plexopathy so this is a new disability that I will have to deal with for the rest of my life. Searching for the energy to meet this new challenge....

Best, Erica


Dx 7/3/2006, IDC, 1.7cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, 7/13 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

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ckslow4
Fort Wayne, IN
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 36
Oct 10, 2009 12:45 am ckslow4 wrote:

Well girls it has been a while since I have posted a note here mainly because the several medical providers (including myself) (oxymoron here) were trying to identify where this horrific pain was coming from in my Right arm.  The Left arm behaves like a typical (if you can call this that we have typical) lymphedema arm. So after 3 very long weeks of no physical therapy to allow the lymphnodes in the axilla to enlarge enouge to do their thing I guess to the nerves wherever they are, arepeat EMG was performed and I was blessed again with another diagnosis of Mild Brachial plexopathy...no motor response of the ulnar nerve...I'm right hand dominant and still work full time.  Am I nuts or what???  So here I sit alone in the living room with tears steaming dowm my face wondering what is next?  My oncologist supposedly is not impressed with the findings on the EMG, problem is I never had radiation treatments so what is causing the brachial plexopathy and who the HE.. is going to do something about it before it gets any worse? I can't get her nurse to call me back with any recommendations.  My physiatrist is mad at himself because the first EMG he did was "normal", he never checked the brachial plexus even though I was telling him I was having symptoms...he listened to a colleague of his who is also my boss who convinced him there was nothing wrong and now he has egg on his face.  I'm just so lost right now.  Hope has gone out the window, work has become more difficult and the pain is just wearing on me.  Nothing seems to help decrease it.  I'm taking 600mg of Neurontin every 6 hours and 900mg at bedtime to no affect.  I don't sleep for two to three days then I crash because of sheer exhaustion.  I'm really lost here and am not sure how much longer I can cope with this.  My friends have dissappeared and my parents are indifferent at this time because this has gone on too long.  They are also concerned about an older sibling who is overweight and needs a knee replacement.  It's hard to explain but it's the Greek way.  If any of you ladies have any suggestions as how to cope or other treatment options, I'm game, please let me know because I'm flat out exhausted.  Don't know where to go from here or how this happened.  Really baffled.  Thank you in advance for reading.

Tina-LIVE every moment, LAUGH every day, LOVE beyond words...Add ADH&DCIS,path slides reviewed again
Diagnosis: 10/3/2007, LCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, 0/2 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
Binney4
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,617
Oct 15, 2009 07:50 pm Binney4 wrote:

Tina, you've been in my thoughts and prayers ever since you posted this. I've been hoping someone with experience with this would come along quickly and add some comfort and concrete advice, but they all seem to have faded into the woodwork! Frown I sure hope you've found some answers and relief by now. I'll go see if I can rustle up some of the gals who normally hang out here.

Very gentle hugs, and prayers,
Binney

Sunris
TX
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 118
Oct 15, 2009 08:31 pm Sunris wrote: <table width="100%"><tbody><tr><td> </td><td><table width="339"><tbody><tr><td width="180"> </td></tr><tr><td>

Brachial Plexus Signs Are Usually Caused By Tumor Infiltration Or Injury From Radiation Therapy

In patients with cancer, brachial plexus signs are usually caused by tumor infiltration or injury from radiation therapy (RT). We analyzed 100 cases of brachial plexopathy to determine which clinical criteria helped differentiate tumor from radiation injury. Seventy-eight patients had tumor and 22 had radiation injury. Severe pain occurred in 80% of tumor patients but in only 19% of patients with radiation injury. The lower trunk was involved in 72% of the tumors. Seventy-eight percent of the radiation injuries affected the upper plexus (C5-6). Horner syndrome was more common in tumor, and lymphedema in radiation injury. The time from RT to onset of plexus symptoms, and the dose of RT, also differed.


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Diagnosis: 3/9/2009, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 0/18 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
Watts
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 14
Oct 20, 2009 12:51 am, edited Oct 23, 2009 01:05 PM by Watts Watts wrote:

Tina,

Sorry that I can't offer up any advice, but you are not alone. I feel your pain. I am in pain 85% of the time. My right arm and hand gets burning pain and sharp nerve pain runs up and down my arm. I take 600mgs of gabapentin three times a day and vicodin and a lidoderm patch when it is unbearable. My doctor prescribed Fentanyl patches, but I didn't like what I read about the side effects, so I haven't used them. I know its hard. I have screamed out, hollared and cried out loud with the pain, but we have to hang in there and keep fighting. I get depressed and then I have to get up and out. Don't give up!

Prayer and faith keeps me going. Take care...

Watts

caearl
Pendleton, SC
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 19
Oct 25, 2009 07:00 pm caearl wrote:

Tina, Watts..Ladies...Mom asked me if I had posted recently and I told her about Tina's post.  She says don't stop asking questions Tina.  BP is not just caused by radiation, or tumors, it can also be from injury.  Do you have a neurosurgeon?  Have them find the cause..it takes more then an EMG.  She is keeping you in her prayers, she knows that the pain is the hardest thing to deal with...

Mom herself has  been on an interesting journey...Since being diagnosed with Horner's syndrome she has been experiencing the worst pains ever....so the Drs have begun the switch from Lyrica to Neurontin with Lexapro as a stop gap.  Poor girl has been in bed for a week!!  She is now up to the full dose of the Neurontin so we are hoping the quezy stomach will end.

She has also had an EKG and there seems to be an irregularity..we are now going to become aquainted with the cardiologist. 

SealedIf I understand everything that I have read,  there is a rare chance for delayed radiation damage to the heart.  This can manifest itself in one of three ways, congestive heart faillure, valve damage or muscle damage.  We already know that she has scar tissue in the upper lobe of her lung, which is causing the Horner's...We are also aware that some of the symptoms she has been having are heart problem symptoms..I will keep you posted as to the results of her cardiologist visit.

She is also having what I think is called an Ulnar Nerve Transposition.  They hope that this will keep the Ulnar Nerve from becoming so irritated when she bends her arm.  This seems to be one of the biggest causes of her pain.

The good news is that her lymphedema has been under control, and she has actually been down further than when she first started with the therapist 8 years ago.!!

This RIBP is such an enigma.  Each of you have had different responses, some have progressed a small amount and others like Mom have total paralysis of the appendage.  PT and, Exercise...may help those with mild damage,..but it will not stop any progression if you are going to progress.  Mom exercised regularly and had physical therapy, all to no avail.

But not to despair...My mother just celebrated her 10th anniversary.  She was stage 4 IDC,  we thank God everyday that she is with us. Laughing

May you each find a few moments of peace today.

Terri 

Connie
Binney4
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,617
Oct 25, 2009 09:03 pm Binney4 wrote:

Ten years! Oh, Connie, my heartiest congratulations! Hope you did something richly chocolate to celebrate. Kiss

Terri, thank you so much for keeping us posted. Since there is so little helpful information about RIBP anywhere, staying in touch here is so important -- we don't know when something that's said will be exactly what another needs to hear in order to ease some pain or make some progress.

So glad to hear about the lymphedema control, too. That's really hard to accomplish with the RIBP, yes? Does she have strategies to share about what works to keep that in control?

Hugs,
Binney

Watts
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 14
Oct 26, 2009 05:25 pm Watts wrote:

Terri , Binney, ladies,

I just want to thank you so much for your encouragement, sharing your experiences (Terri your Mom's) and sharing such valuable information! It means so much. We struggle daily with our condition. WOW! Congratulations to you Connie for every day of those ten years! 

We have to keep going, taking it one day at a time.

Take care....

Watts 

caearl
Pendleton, SC
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 19
Oct 27, 2009 02:15 pm caearl wrote:

Binney, The LE is harder to keep under control because of the loss of muscle to pump the fluid, so you also end up with dependent edema. The trick? well when ever she is sitting or reclining the arm is elevated. Her entire arm is flaccid so it needs to be either wrapped or in a brace to keep the wrist bones from shifting about and pinching the ulnar nerve.  Usually I will wrap her hand and will slip in some open cell LE foam for additional compression if needed.  I modify the LE wrap by adding additional support at the wrist.  Then we are using the Farrow Light wrap on the rest of the arm.  That wrap is great because it is easy to adjust the compression as needed. She supplements with the Flexitouch, although she can't tolerate it when the ulnar nerve pain is bad.  I do a lot of manual massage for her, and attend her LE therapy sessions to learn more. And finally hydration.  She has been keeping track of weather and the full moon to look at flair ups of both the pain and the LE.  Seems to have some pattern.

Thank you all for being here.  It saddens me to see the group growing, yet as the numbers grow, the strength of this group will also grow and perhaps our voice will be heard.

May this note find you at a good time.

Terri

Connie
ronimom
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 18
Nov 3, 2009 02:00 am ronimom wrote:

Hi Everybody, 

I'm making do, and I know we all have to...The nerve pain doesn't know when to quit!  I'm sorry you all have this to deal with, but at the same time, I welcome your company. I am adding a Jovi-Pak vest to my night time attire.  What a sexy babe I am!!!

Keep well,

Ralpha

Binney4
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,617
Nov 3, 2009 03:48 pm Binney4 wrote:

Terri, thank you so much for the information. Lymphedema is so hard to control with RIBP, and I so much admire you both for staying on top of it so well. I'm really interested in the full moon theory -- haven't thought of that. Let us know what she discovers about it, please. The weather certainly plays a big part in my flares, as does the amount of sleep I get (or don't get, to be exact!). Others say that stress plays a role in their flares, but I'm not sure how you would judge that since pain is a stressor all by itself.

Ralpha, I love your joyful nature -- it always lifts my day. I too have a sexy JoviPak vest. One of the gals on this board is a designer, and I asked her to help me come up with a way to make the look a bit more acceptable, and she told me to think of it as a modern, industrial look. So now I think of myself as quite chic in my nighttime get-up.Kiss Did you see the JoviPak picture on the StepUp-SpeakOut RIBP page, with the extra loop built in for supporting the arm?

The doctor who's doing the medical literature review for our RIBP survey study was surprised at how very little there is, but I figured none of you would be one bit surprised at that.Undecided

Hugs all around,
Binney

leftyAKAnan…
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 2,872
Nov 3, 2009 05:32 pm, edited Nov 3, 2009 05:33 PM by leftyAKAnancy leftyAKAnancy wrote:

I have trauma induced brachial plexopathy, from  a car wreck 30 years ago.   The moon phases are not as much a factor as the barometric pressure reading.  The higher it is, the stronger the pain (for me).   And I am one of what they said was 10% of the population, who are radial artery dominant - meaning the major blood flow in my arms is thru the radial artery.   Since I had left side lumpectomy and my bp is left arm (also my dominant arm), I fear for lymphedema.  So far, so good but my hands are very sensitive to cold and I wear gloves when it is near or below 50 degrees.  I call it my fashion statement !!!!    Isotoner gloves work very well for the neuropathy also.   

I was fortunate enough to have out patient therapy at a hand rehabilitation unit of a large rehab facility.   It took over a year to make a fist.  My hand surgeon - 7 reconstructive surgeries - was a plastic surgeon, specializing in hands.   I know much of this is not the same as any of you have, but sometimes a thought turns into a question for the doctor or therapist and things improve.    

OH, another thing, I have cervical disc disease and that has caused "flares" of pain radiating down my arm.   Heat helps, as do various medications...   Here's hoping you all have a pain free rest of the week and restful sleep.   Hugs,   Nancy

edited to correct spelling, I hope !! 


Diagnosis: 5/2/2008, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
caearl
Pendleton, SC
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 19
Nov 4, 2009 10:20 am caearl wrote:

Good Morning "RIBPites"

Just a quick note to update you on Mom's status.  She was able to come to work for about two hours yesterday for the first time in over two weeks!!  We also went to the cardiologist for an echo cardiogram.  If you have never had one it is like an ultrasound with super doppler radar to check the blood flow.  Very interesting to watch.  She had a stress test last Wednesday, and we will be going back on the 11th  to meet with the Cardiologist to review the results.  One of the techs said that if there was anything that needed immediate attention she would not have been allowed to leave.  ... now to wait for the results. 

 We also revisited a neurosurgeon about the ulna nerve pain, and he suggested another EMG to pinpoint the source.  He also talked about "installing" a pump that would inject the pain meds direct into the spine rather than ingesting and having it go through the liver.  Not sure if she is a candidate for that so we are seeing some other "ologist"  Mom's dance card is filling fast for the month of November....Laughing

Did you know that there is now a hands free tooth paste machine!!?   Mom was given one for her Birthday.  Much easier than using IGORA (RIBP arm) to hold the toothbrush. Laughing Oh the little things in life that excite us...Wink

I hope that this finds you all in at a good time. 

 Terri

Connie
Binney4
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,617
Nov 4, 2009 12:39 pm Binney4 wrote:

Oh, my goodness, Terri, a great "gadget"! Is this the one she has?

http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3703109

(Actually looks great for anybody, especially with kids.)

Sorry about the full "dance card," but looking forward with you to some great new dance moves! Thanks for keeping us posted.

Hugs,
Binney

caearl
Pendleton, SC
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 19
Nov 13, 2009 09:54 am caearl wrote:

Binney, Yes that is the one!!  Isn't it great.  I have also recycled a large pump bottle for her shampoo so she easy dispense that too. 

 BTW we have some great news.  All of the tests Mom had on her heart were normal.  The pain is not being caused by her heart.  There is some scaring at the base of the heart but the Dr said that it appears stable.  Everything else is good.  Whew!!! 

So it is the arm pain that is causing her to be sick, light headed, short of breath....Now to the other guys to look at other ideas for pain management.  They will try to pinpoint the source, the sublexation of the arm...the Ulnar nerve.

Before I forget,  I thought it may be helpful if our LE Therapists networked about RIBP.  So I spoke to Mom's therapist and she told me about a new community for therapists and patients, and families.  This may be another good way to share what we are learning with others, and have the therapists share too.  Anything that will help enlighten people about this condition!!

 www.lymphedemacommunity.com 

Laughing Hope this finds everyone at a good time.

Terri

Connie
Anita-2
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 4
Nov 20, 2009 03:32 pm Anita-2 wrote:

Hi!

I have RIBP as a result of radiation and the arm suffers from cold even when it is not cold.  I was able to get relief after 3 sessions of acupuncture then she told me to comeback when I need it. I had to wait for her to return from vacation to started again. I am now on the second treatment and it is getting better.  The acupuncture helps mainly with the cold, some of pain and it also helps the shoulder. I did not expect the shoulder to act up at this early stage.  I did not mention to the acupuncturist that she should not put needles in the affected arm.  Last summer I did get an infection in the arm and I don't mind the trade off.  Thank You everyone for being there.   I think the thing that hurts me the most is to be told that some are worst off.  I don't see how that minimizes my pain and sense of loss.....   

God bless you all

Anita

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