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Hi, I've never posted in this forum before, so I'd like to introduce myself. I had a bilateral mastectomy in April 08. Expanders were placed at the time of surgery, and in September I had exchange surgery with permanent silicone implants. Below is my story of the past year and the problems I’m experiencing. I apologize for it’s length, but I’m hoping someone here can give me some feedback and guidance.
In Dec. 08 I experienced some burning, stinging on the side of my chest, and a PT with LE training said I had mild LE. She prescribed exercises to move the fluid. I was unknowledgeable at the time about the levels of LE training and this PT had been referred to me by my breast surgeon. She was connected to the hospital where I had my surgeries. Fast forward to April 09, and I experience a flare up of LE while traveling to Fla. My implant also begins to distort and shift. At this point, I educate myself further on truncal LE, visit the Step Up site and locate a LANA-certified therapist in my area.
I return home and see my PS, who looks at my arm and says I don't have LE, it's "activity swelling". I tell him about truncal LE and that I want a script for LE evaluation. He tells me to see my BS since he's the guy who took out my sentinel node (the only node removed) but that he will write a script if I need it. About the change in appearance of implant and development of pain, he says I may have early capsular contracture and prescribes Accolate. I'm supposed to call back in month to report whether Accolate is working.
I then see my BS and he looks at my arm and says I don't have LE. I remind him that my initial PT back in Dec. had diagnosed me as having mild LE. I insist that I need a prescription to have this new swelling in my chest looked at by a LANA-certified therapist, that LE could impact the quality of my life and I wasn't taking any chances. He writes me a script. I see the new LE therapist, and she takes one look at me and says I definitely have truncal LE. I’ve seen her regularly for MLD sessions over the past few months and just recently have been cut loose since my LE is considered under control and I can manage by myself. Will follow up in 3-6 months. I have been referred to a qualified LE massage therapist for monthly massage.
So, now I'm still dealing with the implant and it's poor appearance. I'm also dealing with increasing back, shoulder and neck pain (knots and spasming) and a lot of tightness across my right implant, which is the one that’s distorted. That's my LE side, too. From the beginning, my gut feeling has been that the scarring and tightness is somehow connected to the LE. I'm thinking the constriction of the muscle and scarring may be preventing the flow of LE fluid. My LE therapist said she didn't think they were connected, but that they probably didn't help one another. This is true -- when one issue is exacerbated, the other seems to bother me more as well.
After a month of Accolate and no change, I call and talk with nurse and PS says to continue for second month. After second month, there is still no change and nurse says he suggests taking for another six months. I hit the ceiling, and tell her I'm getting a second opinion. She tells me to keep my follow-up appt. in July and PS will look at implant. I see 2nd PS first and he confirms Stage 2-3 CC and says massage won't work, Accolate won't work, and that surgery is only answer and he will give me new implant. I then go back to my PS and he confirms Stage 2 CC but says implant is softer than it usually is for CC. I tell him I have been doing massage of tissue/muscle and get some relief from that. We also talk about the Accolate and I decide I will continue and see him in early Nov. and then we will determine what to do. Beginning of Sept., my Accolate script is done and I still haven't had any pain relief or change in implant. I decide not to spend another $300 and stop the medication. Stopping doesn't negatively effect implant or pain.
So, I'm talking with a friend who is a PT (not in my state) and tell him how I've been doing self massage of implant and area around it and getting some kind of relief but can't reach certain areas by myself. He refers me to a local PT skilled in myofascial release and suggests I try this as a last attempt to avoid surgery.
My whole concern is what is the cause of the problem with my implant? Is it the capsule itself that is distorting the implant? Is there scarring in the tissue and muscle outside the capsule that is creating tightness and pain and distorting the implant? Is there cording? And does this constriction and/or scarring have any effect on my ability to manage (or resolve) the LE?
If the capsule isn’t the cause of my problem, then I don’t think replacing the implant will correct the pain and tightness in my back, neck and pectoral area. I am trying to avoid surgery for obvious reasons, but also out of concern for exacerbating the LE. And it seems that many women who’ve had CC and had their implant replaced often develop CC again.
Just what is the difference between CC, scar tissue in muscle or tissue, and cording? Are they all one in the same? I know you gals can’t diagnose my issue, but I hope you can help me sort through all this.
If you’ve stayed with my post to the end, thank you for reading!!
Tina
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kira Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,023 |
Oct 26, 2009 05:03 pm, edited Oct 26, 2009 05:04 PM
by kira
kira wrote:
Tina, what an ordeal you've been through! And why won't our doctors admit that we have LE? They don't treat it, and all we ask is for a referal--it's lack of information, denial and some sort of shame at a "bad outcome" is my theory. I don't know much about capsular contractures, but I do know about cording--cording is due to thrombosed lymphatics and veins and is caused by trauma, but can recur. Here's a link to an article about it. It is treated by stretching and a specific form of myofascial release by well trained PT's--the latest belief is NOT to try and pop the cords. http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Cording_and_Axillary_Web_Syndrome.htm Lymphedema is made worse by scars and contractures--anything that impedes lymph flow. So, cording is unique to lymphatic vessels (and some veins) and it occurs when trauma causes the lymph vessels to clot off. I would imagine that all that scarring is causing a lot of pain and could contribute to LE as lymph has trouble moving across scars. It makes me so angry to hear about the surgical run-around you had to deal with to get a referral. Hopefully someone who can give you better answers will come along soon. Kira Diagnosis: 5/10/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage Ib, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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Tina337 Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 214 |
Oct 27, 2009 12:55 am
Tina337 wrote:
Thank you, Kira. I checked the link and found it quite interesting. I printed the section in Stepup and the articles by Jane Kepics (located near me!) and the therapist in Germany and I'm going to read thoroughly. While glancing over the articles, I noticed that one mentioned that cording can also start at the armpit and travel into the breast area (vs. down the arm). I also read there can be a connection to the incision scar or drain scar. Very interesting. By the way, I am a participant of the photo forum and posted pics of my reconstruction from start to finish. I just posted pics of my distorted implant, and I am continuing to document as I receive myofascial release therapy. If there are alternatives to surgery when it comes to dealing with the various types of scarring, then we need to help educate each other. Thanks again for the info and your support, Kira! Tina |
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kira Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,023 |
Oct 27, 2009 07:32 am
kira wrote:
Tina, I'm glad it was helpful--as I continue to deal with cording issues, I'd love to be able to see Jane Kepics! The therapist from Germany sent videos of the cord release work she does, and we release them to therapists--it's a "don't try this at home" situation. She does do cord release at the scar. I hope the whole situation improves. Let me know how you're doing. Kira Diagnosis: 5/10/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage Ib, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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Tina337 Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 214 |
Nov 9, 2009 02:00 pm
Tina337 wrote:
I thought I'd come back and let you know what I learned about my scarring from talking with my PS. Had my follow-up appt. last week and he was kind enough to draw pics and show exactly how implant sits and why he thinks capsule around implant is cause of problem. I asked if he could describe surgery procedures and where he had cut so I could relay this info to myofascial therapist. Anyway, I learned that he didn't actually cut the muscle during either surgery -- which is a positive thing. At the time of the mastectomy, he sort of separated the pectoral muscle and the serratus muscle (the one that runs around side of chest and then under pectoral) and inserted the expander under both muscles from the side of chest. During the exchange surgery, he separated the striaded fibers of the pectoral muscle in the front (they run vertically) in order to access the expander and remove it. Permanent implant was placed through this opening as well. Because there was minimal damage to muscle (maybe overstretching to insert expander, and fibers of pectoral muscle separated vs. actually cut), the PS believes that the capsule is most likely scarring. His recommendation for surgery, if myofascial doesn't work, is either to release the serratus muscle so it can relax and allow more room for implant in pocket, or to use alloderm to create additional "sling" to hold implant. This also has the effect of allowing the serratus to relax and reduce tightness and pulling of implant. I gave this info to my therapist, and he worked on the serratus and pectoral muscles at our last session. Implant is starting to feel and look better. And, after last session, the LE on the side of my chest, which is located in area above serratus muscle, actually went down. I have been wondering whether these issues were connected from the start -- my gut feeling has been that they are. Wouldn't that be something if my LE decreased if the scarring and tightness of capsule and muscle were reduced/resolved, hopefully without surgery? I am optimistic, but continuing to act in realistic and practical manner re: LE management. PS and I agreed to give myofascial treatment 2-3 mths, and if there is still problem with implant and pain, then he would do surgery. |
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Tina337 Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 214 |
Nov 21, 2009 02:29 am
Tina337 wrote:
Just wanted to update again on my progress. Pain is continuing to decline, implant is feeling softer. Therapist is continuing to work on serratus muscle and surrounding area on back and implant. My truncal LE has continued to improve. I am amazed how this very gentle, slow and prolonged stretching of muscle and tissue can have a lasting effect. Myofascial therapy is amazing! I'm off to Florida for a couple of weeks . . . am somewhat dreading and worried about a flareup. The drive, heat and humidity are triggers for me. DH has agreed to take an extra day to travel so I can get out of the car and walk around more often. Have all my goodies packed in preparation for the worst, but hoping for the best. |
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