I'm 44 and was diagnosed in early May with Grade I, ER/PR+, HER2- bc tumor size 1.7x1.7x1.2. An enlarged lymph node found on palpation sent me straight to neoadjuvent chemo where I did 4 rounds of ACT (dose intensive) and 4 rounds of Taxol. I handled the chemo really well and finished on Sept. 10. My surgery wasn't until Oct. 19 (doctors' schedules) and I was quite confident going into it because the tumor could not be located on ultrasound and neither my surgeon nor oncologist could feel the lump. Everyone was excited. I had a double mastectomy (decided to rid myself of the other potential culprit) and my pathology report after surgery has floored me. It showed the tumor only shrunk to 1.5x1.0x1.0 and there were 4/12 positive lymph nodes. I went from Stage II to Stage III cancer overnight, even though my oncologist says they don't like to stage people who've had neoadjuvent chemo (the standards are based on adjuvent treatment).
In addition, my mom was diagnosed in Jan (age 81 ER/PR+ HER2-, 1 positive node, low onkotype, lumpectomy + radiation doing great) and my 54 year old sister in July (ER+, PR-, HER2-, 1 positive node, mastectomy, currently in chemo, will have radiation). We've tested negative for BRCA--clearly there's something else genetic going on. My family got hit by the cancer stick--hell even my pet boa constrictor has cancer and snakes don't get cancer!
I'd like to hear from anyone who's had a similar experience or can help me find some perspective. I'm pretty bummed out. Thanks to all of you who share your experiences; I've found this site to be really helpful.
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PureE Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 387 |
Nov 1, 2009 03:31 pm
PureE wrote:
You have just a 4 nodes so that is good and yo are er and pr pos so you have lots of good treatment coming your way. The surgery will remove the tumour and I am sur eyou no that your hormonals are as important as chemo. Me and my mom had bc and no braca but we do have a gene mutation. What diid you doc say about the tumour not shrinking much? JMV
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hrf Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 887 |
Nov 1, 2009 03:34 pm
hrf wrote:
I wouldn't worry much about the actual stage at this point. Having had bc two different times, the actual staging is never accurate until after surgery. Everything before that is a guesstimate. And the treatment is pretty much the same for stage II or stage III. My last tumour was 2.2 cm and I also had 4 nodes and I was told that I was stage II. So don't let the number affect you. Before my surgery the mri indicated the tumour might be as big as 5 cm and I did not have neoadjuvant therapy even though the docs already knew lymph nodes were palpable. Your tumour may, in fact have been much bigger than they originally thought and the chemo shrunk it a lot. I'm sorry that your entire family is going through such a tough time. I'm sure one day scientists will discover a BRCA3 or 4. My family and I are BRCA2+ Concentrate on getting well and taking care of each other. BRCA2+ first dx in Oct. 2004 2nd dx Feb. 2009 a new primary
Diagnosis: 2/6/2009, ILC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 1, 4/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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KerryMac Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,699 |
Nov 1, 2009 04:29 pm, edited Nov 1, 2009 04:30 PM
by KerryMac
KerryMac wrote:
There are several people who post here, who have had cancer still present after neo-adjunctive chemo, and are doing well. My tumor was bigger than they thought on the pre-surgery MRI, they are not 100% accurate. So you may well have had more shrinkage than you think. Also being ER+ and Grade 1, Chemo is less of a weapon than Hormonals. There are more weapons for you out there to fight this with! As for Staging, I always say - your cancer doesn't know what stage it is. You have what you have. I would try and not worry yourself too much about it. Kerry - Mx, Chemo, Rads, Ooph, Arimidex, Zometa
Diagnosis: 11/2008, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, 6/11 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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gfrey Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 33 |
Nov 1, 2009 05:26 pm
gfrey wrote:
Thanks so much everyone for the quick replies! My doc was disappointed that the tumor didn't seem to shrink much, but as also said what you all have said--it could have been larger than estimated by the core biopsy and MRI. The thing that sucks is that I had a clear mammo in Dec. After mom was diagnosed I thought I'd better start checking myself--I felt something funny, but w/my small tatas I was never sure if I was feeling a rib or something. I waited a month or so to go in (through a menstrual cycle) and of course I'm kicking myself for waiting that amount of time. One positive thing I forgot to mention is that my margins were clear--1cm. I know some reports want 2 cm, but others accept even less that 1cm, so I'm happy w/that. I'm great at telling others to focus on positive things, but I have a hard time applying it to myself. My doc wants to put me on tamoxifen right away instead of waiting until after radiation. I figure I can handle the hot flashes since I've been having them through chemo. Hoping for the best I went ahead with immediate reconstruction, so I'm dealing w/the tissue expanders/healing/trying to get back flexibility. They are NO picnic! It may be for naught if the radiation oncologist wants them deflated to make zapping easier. PureE what is your family gene mutation? I'm wondering if my clan should test for something else b/c we have lots of women. Thanks gain so much everyone. You've made me feel better already!! I'm sending positive thoughts to all of you. |
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PureE Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 387 |
Nov 1, 2009 06:24 pm
PureE wrote:
I tested for some rare mutation-only 5 other women in the US have it. I need to talk with my geniticist tommorow to find out if my mom has the same mutation and it the other women had bc. Its actually pretty common- just a rare mutation. I know a couple of people who were told this. JMV
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PureE Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 387 |
Nov 1, 2009 06:25 pm
PureE wrote:
going on tamoxifin now is a good thing verus waiting until after rads. Also, make sure he gives you the test that sees if you matabolizes tamoxfin. JMV
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39mom2babie
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 33 |
Nov 3, 2009 09:40 pm, edited Nov 3, 2009 09:43 PM
by 39mom2babies
39mom2babies wrote:
Im in a similar boat. I have a strong family hx, but was found to be BRAC2+. I am 40, was diagnosed on 5/4/09, had a baby 5/5/09 and did neoadj chemo (DD 4AC -4T). During the bmx 2 more lymph nodes were found to be still positive, making it 3/8. I just finished the tissue expander fills and will be starting radiation in a few weeks. My first apt is monday. All I can say to help you with perspective, is that this does suck, but it is beatable. Dont focus so much on stage. Its not as important between II and III. My onc stated that the chemo did what it could do, and the next step is to attack potential remaining cancer cells with anti-hormone drugs. Are you going to do Zometa? I just started that. Will have an ooph after rads. mommy
Diagnosis: 5/4/2009, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 3/8 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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gfrey Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 33 |
Nov 4, 2009 08:49 am
gfrey wrote:
I'm in awe of those of you who have small children while going through this. Although I'm never happy to hear about others in similar circumstances, it does help to know that others are fighting this with good results. I started tamoxifen 3 days ago. I will likely finish the expander fills in the next couple of weeks and start rads shortly thereafter (appointment is next week). I've been reading a lot about Zometa on this site and will ask my doctor. She's actually referring me to another onc in Indianapolis (ones who are more breast specialists) to determine the best way to shut down my ovaries. That may entail an ooph, which I have no problem with. I'm also going to ask for the test how well I metabolize tamoxifen. She said that it's only done if you're on other meds that may interfere with the drug. I take Prevacid for GERD, ambian to sleep at night (a side effect for me of the chemo) and xanax now and then for anxiety. I spoke with my pharmacist and they said it should all be ok. Has anyone heard about problems with these drugs and tamoxifen? Diagnosis: 5/5/2009, IDC, 2cm, Grade 2, 4/12 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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NancyD Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,195 |
Nov 4, 2009 09:58 am
NancyD wrote:
gfrey...my experience was similar. Went from expecting to be a Stage II to a Stage III (after neoadjuvant chemo). It was a slight shock, but I got my head around it by realizing they use staging for treatment more than anything else. Prognosis has to do more with other elements of the cancer, such as hormonal or Her2 factors and grade. My mother also had bc but so far no one else in my immediate family. My guess is that the occurance in your family might be some unknown genetic factor...or it could be environmental. I assume you all lived together at some time in your lives. Maybe there was exposure to a carcinogen that led to the bc in all of you at about the same time. Something to think about. I'm not a complete idiot. Some parts are missing.
Diagnosis: 2/28/2008, IDC, Stage IIIa, Grade 2, 4/10 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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gfrey Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 33 |
Nov 4, 2009 02:06 pm
gfrey wrote:
Nancy D, thanks so much for sharing. Our diagnoses sound very similar (actually almost the same). Do you mind sharing whole treatment? I think what I'm doing is pretty standard (dose intensive AC & Tax), bi-lateral mastectomy, tamoxifen, rads. I went ahead w/immediate reconstruction (my rad onc was against, but I spoke w/others who advise go for it), but now I'm second guessing. The stupid cancer makes me second guess everything. My onc is having me get a second opinion from a onc breast specialist about treatment, which I appreciate. I'm gradually coming to terms w/things. To be honest, this is probably the first time in the whole process I've actually grieved getting the cancer. When first diagnosed I was pragmatic and it was all pretty surreal. I was more upset about my mom and sister. However, that's when I thought my tumor was responding well to chemo and I only had 1 lymph node--now it feels like a sucker punch. I'm glad I reached out to this community b/c everyone who has responded is helping get my perspective back. I'm HOPING that my ER+/PR+, HER2- and borderline Grade 2 status gives me a pretty good prognosis that's better than all the crazy stats I've decided to stop reading! How are you doing now? Cheers, Georgia Diagnosis: 5/5/2009, IDC, 2cm, Grade 2, 4/12 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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