Topic: study shows chemo, radiation can cause cancer to spread
- Posted on: Oct 28, 2009 08:18 pm
Posts: 31
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=8857146
The link to the article is above.
Here is an extract from the article:
A study published in May 2007 in the Journal of Clinical Investigation found that treating cancer with surgery, chemotherapy or radiation raised levels of TGF-beta and could actually cause tumors to spread.
I dont want to alarm anybody, but i had chemotherapy myself and no one told me about this study. as it is a 2007 study, i think doctors have an obligation to warn patients about this possible consequence of chemo/radiation; especially since chemo is a very dangerous treatment.
drug companies are currently working on a way to block the TGF beta in chemo so they are obviously aware of the problem.
my advice to anyone is to seriously investigate alternative remedies/cancer treatments. i have had conventional treatment but discontinued it due to side effects after chemo/surgery/some hormone treatment. even if you choose to keep going with conventional treatments, i believe cancer can be cured by following the correct diet and by taking the right herbs/supplements. correct diet according to my research (and my chinese doctor, and The China Study by dr colin campbell, and many other books, eg. your life in your hands by Professor Plant) is: no red meat, no dairy at all (replace with soy), no sugar (esp white sugar. can have honey, maple syrup (in small amounts) or stevia), eat mostly vegetables of all different colours: best are kale, cabbage, brocolli, brussel sprouts, leeks, onions, garlic, bok choy - leafy green is good as well as diff colours; then eat some fruit (berries good for antioxidants), then eat NUTS, SEEDS, some dried fruit, GRAINS - wholegrains, e.g. brown rice; corn; eat lentils, chickpeas, BEANS for protein. can eat an egg occasionally. some fish if you feel you need to eat meat. steer clear of caged chickens or barn chickens; only eat free range. otherwise full of hormones that are bad for you. eat flaxseed/apricot kernel oil. eat seeweed - wakame for iodine. get enough magnesium and selenium (in brazil nuts). drink green tea; and water and vegetable juice. some fruit juice ok, not much.
DONT eat: caged/hormone filled chickens; or factory meat; or red meat; or dairy; or alcohol; or coffee; or black tea (too much caffeine bad for absorption of some vitamins - B ones), or cakes, soft drinks, bikkies, sweet things, etc.
there are scientific studies supporting all this. i can give you links if interested. i have posted on the alternataive medicine forum as well re: red meat/dairy and the inflammation mechanism involved. (cancer spreads via inflammation - red meat and dairy cause inflammation in the body). there is also a mechanism for sugar. its all complex and interrelated. getting enough idodine is useful too - as lack of iodine is linked to fibrocystic breast disease, etc... wakeame seaweed in lab tests has been shown to be more effective than the chemo drug 5 flouricil, which i had. certain chinese mushrooms have anti cancer properties. also cats claw boosts your immune system. apricot kernels have B17 which is also said to be anti cancer.
anyway, this is not telling anyone what to do, just wnated to make sure people were aware of the article.
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Mazy1959 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 574 |
Oct 29, 2009 02:32 am
Mazy1959 wrote:
Fairy, So are you saying that if we all go on this "correct diet" we will be cured of breast cancer? How long have you been on this? Just curious. Hugs, Mazy
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navygirl Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 411 |
Oct 29, 2009 07:15 am
navygirl wrote:
I believe that cancer is a sneaky b*st*rd and there is more than one reason why some people survive it, while others dont. I'm sure there are miracle cure cases in every kind of cancer known to man but what cures one person may not cure another. Which is why it's so important to do whats right for you and right for your body. One of my "chemo posse" friends (a group of friends made while getting chemo) was and still is the healthiest person I know of - she bikes 80 miles a day, eats no sugar, no red meat, doesn't smoke or drink and weighs about 95lbs soaking wet. I on the other hand, need to lose more than a few pounds, love sweets, smoked for 27 years and did my fair share of binge drinking back in my younger days. Two polar opposites who met getting chemo for the same cancer -hers was worse than mine (stage wise). It's thoughtful of you to post the link so that others can be aware, but I caution people against being alarmed by the results of ANY one study. You are your own best advocate and the only one who can say what is right for you. Best wishes to all... life is short, play hard
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revkat Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 406 |
Oct 29, 2009 11:12 am
revkat wrote:
I'm not going to touch the diet stuff, but I want to point out that this is an article about a study done with mice that looked at the mechanism for the spread of cancer. While the findings are very interesting, a lot more would have to be done to move to the point of clinical application in humans. This is the kind of basic research that needs to be done so that we know more about what is behind the growth of cancers, but imho to take this study and claim that the treatments that women are having causes their cancer to spread is really jumping the gun. And really, cancer research is constantly being done. You think your docs should tell you about every study done before they give you treatment? Part of what we pay them for is to sift through this stuff for what is clinically relevant (and, yes, some do a better job than others.) Diagnosis: 1/28/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 2, 1/20 nodes, ER+, HER2- |
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Fairyfloss Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 31 |
Nov 4, 2009 03:07 am, edited Nov 4, 2009 03:11 AM
by Fairyfloss
Fairyfloss wrote:
Hi Mazy. yeah i am on the diet. i was put on it by my chinese doctor who i started seeing after id finished most of my treatment. i have heard about people being cured by chinese medicine and diet, and yes i do believe it is possible to cure cancer with diet, herbs and supplements, altho i know many disagree. i certainly dont think it hurts to try (so long as you try the right things - there ARE some fad diets out there that wont work, and anything that includes dairy i wudnt trust.). my chinese doctor told me about a woman who saw him with breast cancer that was in her lymphs and she had no western treatment, and 8 years later she's fine and no cancer. personally i believe him, and i have heard other reports about someone being cured of brain tumour after receiving medical treatment in china. in any case, for anyone who's finished chemo i highly recommend taking chinese herbs and going on the chinese doctor's recommended diet. the herbs i take give me so much more energy and helped me recover so much. i felt really tired and miserable before i started taking them. i never believed in or trusted chinese medicine before i started, but ive been converted. it has really helped me, so id like to pass on this advice. of course people dont have to agree with me or follow it, but just letting people know. re: your question. put it this way, i wud say based on what ive been researching over the last few years, that people on the diet would have a lot more chance of surviving than people not on it. i really do think food is a critical part of fighting cancer. and yeah, i do think its possible to beat cancer this way. there are a lot of studies to back this up (the links between diet and cancer), coming from harvard and other unis too. even if i was gonna go down the mainstream medicine route (which i did, initially), i would still put myself on this diet to give myself every chance possible. |
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London-Virg… Joined: May 2009 Posts: 827 |
Nov 4, 2009 08:45 am
London-Virginia wrote:
La La Land Virginia.
Diagnosis: 5/9/2009, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 1/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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ElaineD Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 979 |
Nov 4, 2009 10:41 am
ElaineD wrote:
Posts like this do far more harm than good. If it were so easy to "cure" then we would all be doing it. Suggesting that chemo can cause cancer to spread is irresponsible, and no doubt some poor vulnerable girl,reading this and who is petrified of the thought of beginning chemo may elect to go down the alternative route-with dire (deadly?) consequences. La la land indeed, Virginia. Diagnosis: 11/4/2007, 5cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, ER+/PR-, HER2+ |
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nicole1210 Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 11 |
Nov 4, 2009 11:08 am
nicole1210 wrote:
I'd just like to add that my mom was diagnosed with Stage III IBC and did that diet before going to see a doctor, (which was stupid) She waited so long thinking that this diet would help that her breast is so big and engorged with fluid that it is now going to be harder for her to beat this. I wish that she would have said something to us as a family and had gone to see a doctor instead of reading all of this "diet" stuff. She believes in hollistic med. and has always followed this diet somewhat... but when she thought she had cancer(which she does now) she did it faithfully with NO RESULTS. So yes this may work for some, but in others it doesn't. So don't read this and think you can cure cancer with a diet. A diet should ONLY be done along with modern medicine. |
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apple Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,303 |
Nov 4, 2009 11:12 am
apple wrote:
orly Diagnosis: 5/10/2008, IDC, 5cm, Stage IIIc, Grade 3, 4/9 nodes, ER+ |
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ElaineD Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 979 |
Nov 4, 2009 11:32 am
ElaineD wrote:
Nicole-so sorry to hear of your Mum. This was exactly the type of situation that I was referring to in my post. Good luck to her with her treatment-hoping that the professionals can soon help her regain lost ground. My blood is boiling at these repeated claims at diet/lifestyle "curing" cancer (they appear regularly on the forum). If anyone wants to risk their lives by going along with it-fine, that is their choice. But please don't encourage vulnerable and frightened people to dice with death, by leading them to think that eating copious amounts of broccoli-or whatever-will help them. Cancer is a sneaky and devious beast-please don't assume that it will have an easy solution. Diagnosis: 11/4/2007, 5cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, ER+/PR-, HER2+ |
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Titan Joined: May 2009 Posts: 380 |
Nov 4, 2009 11:43 am
Titan wrote:
Considering I had cancer before I had chemo and radiation this article is nuts...does chemo/rads cause more cancer in the future...? Who knows..but there is NO WAY I would not have done chemo and rads...that is just stupid. Eat all the cats klaw or whatever but have your chemo and rads too! Diagnosis: 3/18/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/5 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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IllinoisNan… Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 173 |
Nov 4, 2009 12:26 pm
IllinoisNancy wrote:
I think Fairyfloss likes to tell fairytales!!! I see you just joined us recently. Do you have any idea how many of us are clear from cancer after chemo and radiation? Do I need to tell you about the people who die from home treatments for something as dangerous as cancer? I really think you need to keep your opinions to yourself. I am suspicious that you are one of the ones on this site who shouldn't be here. Sorry but that is my opinion!! OncotypeDX was 9, Pleomorphic ILC
Diagnosis: 10/9/2006, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- |
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Pill Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 190 |
Nov 4, 2009 01:52 pm
Pill wrote:
Yikes, I don't agree with Fairyfloss about the dietary advice and "cures", but what does being ugly about it gain anyone? The article she cited is a legitimate study, it's available online for free if anyone wants to read it: http://www.jci.org/articles/view/30740 The study findings are a bit frightening, but then again, as patients, we have few alternatives. I noticed that the study authors do not recommend avoiding chemo or rads - rather they suggested way these effects could be reduced - via drugs. And then lo and behold in the "conflict of interest" section we see where the funding for the study came from - drug companies who want to profit from the new drug... Either way you look at it, sucks. We already knew the treatments available to us border on the barbaric - and we SHOULD be railing against them and demanding something better. The something better ISN't concentrating on profits for pharma... Fairyfloss, sorry you had to learn the hard way that "cure" is not a word to be used recklessly around here. Maybe from now on you should think about saying, "this is what I do..." rather than 'this is what I advise others should do." If you have two loaves of bread, sell one and buy a lily - Chinese Proverb
Diagnosis: 3/2009, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIIb, 8/9 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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Pill Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 190 |
Nov 4, 2009 02:14 pm
Pill wrote:
Bahaha! Just got a laugh from my own stupid self... I noticed in my previous post I advised someone else not to tell others what to do - by telling her what to do! I was tempted to edit it but decided to leave it because its a prime example of how easy it is fall into that! If you have two loaves of bread, sell one and buy a lily - Chinese Proverb
Diagnosis: 3/2009, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIIb, 8/9 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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IllinoisNan… Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 173 |
Nov 4, 2009 03:53 pm
IllinoisNancy wrote:
HI Pill, I just don't trust people who don't list their DX nor any personal facts about themselves. Fairyfloss could very well be someone who wants to introduce holistic health food for his or her personal gain. If you look back at her history, you will see that she never talks about anything but her diet cure. I feel like a mother hen trying to protect my chicks....I love all the ladies on here who are fighting for their lives!!! OncotypeDX was 9, Pleomorphic ILC
Diagnosis: 10/9/2006, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- |
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cs34 Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 76 |
Nov 4, 2009 05:12 pm
cs34 wrote:
thank you ladies for pulling together like this. i have finished chemo (sept 16th) and i'm doing rads next week. but i am one of the cancer patients that didn't dive in and research like others may have so when i read the post, ya...it did scare me a little and feel like, "did i go through all of this for nothing?" but because all of you responded, i feel better now and know i took the right course of action. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm not going to even go to the possibility this person who posted this is not for real. if so, i fear for the karma that goes back to them. on a postive note again, thank you!!! wishing you all as peaceful of a day/night as possible. Diagnosis: 1/2/2009, IDC, 5cm, Stage IIa, Grade 2, 3/8 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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konakat Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,613 |
Nov 4, 2009 05:18 pm
konakat wrote:
Of course you did the right action CS34! And congratulations on being finished! I hope you celebrated like crazy!!! What a horrible thing for Fairyfloss to post in this forum -- such garbage. Seems we get them every couple of months or so. Chemo is keeping me alive! Elizabeth Elizabeth's Mantra: When in doubt, eat cake. When you haven't a clue, add ice cream.
Diagnosis: 5/2007, ILC, 3cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 13/19 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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Mazy1959 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 574 |
Nov 4, 2009 10:28 pm
Mazy1959 wrote:
cs, You did the right thing. I did what my oncologists and surgeons told me to do and when. I do think that we can improve our overall health with the proper foods etc. But I have to admit I like candy, coookies etc..and I have not given any of them up. I dont add anything to my regime unless approved by my onc. Hugs, Mazy Hugs, Mazy
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apple Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,303 |
Nov 4, 2009 11:29 pm
apple wrote:
teh china study teh china study teh china study what's up with that ? oh yeah, it's by some guy Diagnosis: 5/10/2008, IDC, 5cm, Stage IIIc, Grade 3, 4/9 nodes, ER+ |
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London-Virg… Joined: May 2009 Posts: 827 |
Nov 5, 2009 03:21 am
London-Virginia wrote:
Sigh, another carrot cure. Did you know if you eat 10,000 cauliflowers by lunchtime, not only will you be cured but you'll look like Angelina Jolie and win the Lottery too. Anyway, it is a well known FACT (I know because I once heard someone say it) that the cure is cake and ice cream. TRUE!!!!! Virginia.
Diagnosis: 5/9/2009, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 1/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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Leah_S Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 666 |
Nov 5, 2009 08:31 am
Leah_S wrote:
VIRGINIA THAT'S THE BEST THING I'VE EVER LEARNED ON THESE BOARDS!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, You were being funny. Sigh. Well, I'm eating cake and ice cream anyway. Just in case.... Leah Diagnosis: 11/3/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 6/17 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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London-Virg… Joined: May 2009 Posts: 827 |
Nov 5, 2009 09:14 am
London-Virginia wrote:
I wish I had copied out an article in our national newspaper The Daily Telegraph - an Australian company is now making a special ice cream for chemo patients because apparently, it really does help sooth the tummy and raise the spirits (usually works quite well with me, I must say!). Something to do with serotonin I think. So we can all bowl ahead and scoff it without a guilty conscience!! I know you are off to the 'States soon - have a fantastic time! xxxxxxx Virginia.
Diagnosis: 5/9/2009, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 1/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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Leah_S Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 666 |
Nov 5, 2009 04:56 pm
Leah_S wrote:
Thak you, Virginia. Don't think I'll go to Australia for ice cream though. Leah Diagnosis: 11/3/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 6/17 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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London-Virg… Joined: May 2009 Posts: 827 |
Nov 5, 2009 05:13 pm
London-Virginia wrote:
Me neither. I'll just have to make do with some nice ITalian ones! Virginia.
Diagnosis: 5/9/2009, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 1/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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arby Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 66 |
Nov 5, 2009 09:04 pm
arby wrote:
Hi! Glad I stopped in this eveing. WHat an interesting discussion. And I gleened wisdom and a few smiles from many of your replies. I'm treating my recurrence of bc with chemo. Guess the lumpectomy and 33 rads weren't enuf 2 yrs ago. And yes it is a bummer and we all do look for "cause" and more assurance that the treatment we're on will render a cure. And I too have a beef with the pharmaceutical companies, just bcz of the expense of the side effect meds and their monopoly over some of them. Prices are steep. and certain treatments make you need more drugs to keep going. The pharmaceuticals know that. While I don't buy into conspiracy theories, I do believe greed underminds many helpful health-promoting businesses. I think its refreshing to see mottos that say "live it up" Play hard, whatever. That is the one gift cancer gives us, a swift kick in the pants to reorder our priorities and grab what is really important. And although those choices may vary, cancer helped me see nature in vivid color the fall of 07. And my son's sr year was spectacular thru my new vision, I slowed down and was more tuned into friends and petting my dog, caring for the elderly as a wiser, been there/done that servant, and lingering at the table with my husband. I am grateful, so much more grateful for life and loved ones, beauty and the arts. But it was a valley to have to start over and go back to go without hitting the 5 year mark. But I'm here and still learning, my faith is deeper, I'm appreciating each day. More power to each one here and thanks for the discerning, thoughtful replys to Fairy's post. respectfully, arby Diagnosis: 8/5/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/16 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ |
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Alyson Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 347 |
Nov 6, 2009 04:06 am
Alyson wrote:
Hi all Lets get this right, because as usual the Australians try to take credit for everything - it New Zealand that has developed the special icecream. http://tvnz.co.nz/health-news/medical-ice-cream-cancer-side-effects-3100906. You may also realise that there is a friendly rivalry between Aus and NZ. Also many people seem to think we are the same country- no way, there is a very big stretch of water between us. Anyway they are trialing the icecream at present. And Virginna do you know that if you eat capsicums (bell peppers) it will cure BC only problem is that you have to a trailer load every day. I think I like the icecream better. On a more serious note I have changed a lot of things since all of this, mainly getting rid of a lot of stress and trying to enjoy life, previously all my focus had been on my work from which I have taken early retirement - I know I am lucky to be able to do this. I am taking time to smell the flowers and I am really enjoying it.I am also very grateful that here we have a reasonably good public health system so we do not have the added worry about expensive medicines, most are paid for by the government. And yes I think there are probably things in our diet that are no helping us but who can say that they caused the cancer or other foods will keep it away. I just wish that a cure could be found for this horrible disease. And tonight I am enjoying as I did last night the sudden brilliant bursts of colour as fireworks are being let off around the neighbourhood. Last night was Guy Fawkes night but many are celebrating tonight. By the way we have very good ice cream in this part of the world. Alyson Diagnosis: 12/19/2006, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIIc, Grade 2, 23/24 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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jezza Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 543 |
Nov 7, 2009 06:26 am
jezza wrote:
Yes you're right Alyson it is an Australian invention. The DailyTelegraph is an Australian newspaper and maybe the article was reprinted there and thats where the confusion was. This link was posted on our Australian Forum. http://tvnz.co.nz/health-news/medical-ice-cream-cancer-side-effects-3100906 Well done New Zealanders....if it works it is a major breakthrough...lol jezza Diagnosis: 1/1992, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 3 |
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London-Virg… Joined: May 2009 Posts: 827 |
Nov 7, 2009 07:34 am
London-Virginia wrote:
The Daily Telegraph is a British national newspaper and it is where I read the article. There may indeed be an Australian paper of the same name. Blimey, a fun little thing turned into something nationalist. Virginia.
Diagnosis: 5/9/2009, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 1/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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Alyson Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 347 |
Nov 7, 2009 02:50 pm
Alyson wrote:
Don't worry Virginnia we really love the rivalry and are good friends that is until it comes to sport. Trouble is we can't beat the Aussies at cricket very often though we usually manage when it comes to rugby. Thank goodnes for chemo and radiation which I would wish on anyone but they are some of the reasons I am here today. I was so lucky with my dx ( I had no lump that could be felt ) and treatment. I have people telling what I should be eating and asking if I was wise to have chemo and that just having surgery risks spreading the cancer. Oh really if you followed all the advise there is nothing you can eat or drink and nothing is safe. It is a beautiful morning here so had better go and enjoy it cause that's what living is about. Alyson Diagnosis: 12/19/2006, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIIc, Grade 2, 23/24 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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jezza Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 543 |
Nov 7, 2009 05:50 pm
jezza wrote:
Yikes Alyson...I meant to say it is a NEW ZEALAND invention!! (Just read my post from last night,) Yes Virginnia ..lots of newspapers have the same name don't they. Anyway...I am heading over to NZ in Feb.....went last Feb too ....so yes I do love the place and the ppl.(and the food!) I haven't changed my diet at all and must admit still have wine with my meals most nights....well it relieves stress....and stress can cause cancer???..anyway thats my excuse!! Seriously ppl who tell us what we "should" be doing annoy me..esp if they haven't had cancer. jezza Diagnosis: 1/1992, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 3 |
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baywatcher Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 351 |
Nov 7, 2009 08:00 pm
baywatcher wrote:
Fairyfloss- I think like you and what you say makes total sense to me. It makes so much common sense you want to spread the word. It seems so obvious but the thing you must understand is that people that think like us are in the minority. I read somewhere that the percentage of vegetarians in the US is approximately 5%. And the percentage of vegans is less than 2%. People just don't want to hear that the way they eat could contribute to cancer. They don't want to hear that the way that they eat contributes to animal cruelty, health issues and environmental issues. I know that you are writing from your heart and I thank you for it but you will be blasted if you say it anywhere but on the alternative thread. Come to think of it you will probably get blasted there too. Imagine what Dr. Campbell goes thru. I met him earlier this year and he said that spreading the word about nutrition has been a battle. He has lots of followers but also a lot of outspoken skeptics which like to argue. And the meat and dairy industry hates him. I just want you to know that I have your back. I am also on the diet and other than my depression issues, I feel healthier and am thiner than I have been in years. I used to eat dairy at practically every meal but never again. I am betting my health on this diet. Nothing else makes sense to me. |
