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Topic: Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?

Forum: Moving Beyond Cancer — Getting on with the rest of your life, from rediscovering intimacy to coping with hot flashes.

Posted on: Jan 18, 2008 03:39PM

thedudess wrote:

Hi I am newly diagnosed and I know alot of people rely on their faith for support and find great peace with that, however I am a atheist and was wondering if anyone else here was also.

thanks

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Nov 17, 2012 07:21AM AnneW wrote:

Thanks for the Kessler book recommendation. I will look into it. I just need to change my habits. Grilling a hunk of meat and having a salad is just so darn easy. But we feel better when we eat less of it, that's for sure.

I've never had bitter melon. Not sure I've even seen it. Better google it...

2002 IDC stage 1, grade 1, rads & AI

Dx 9/18/2007, ILC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Nov 17, 2012 08:53AM SunflowersMA wrote:

Anne

I PROMISE you, DOCTOR David Kessler will change your attitude to FOOD.  He KNOWS what an addiction is, remember he was the head of the FDA, who TOOK ON THE TOBACCO industry, and he now ( well, since the book & I think that's about 2 years) has set his sights on the FOOD INDUSTRY.

Thinking somebody needs to start a thread about this - NOT ME - ;-)))  But somebody.  And everytime I sign on and see anything about "eating yogurt for prevention crap" - I know it REALLY isn't me ;-)))

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Nov 17, 2012 08:07PM flannelette wrote:

Ok - I'm missing something - what is the "eating yogurt for prevention crap?"  - I mean, isn't yogurt - real yogurt (not the fruit-flavoured with splenda kind, with gelatin)

a real, traditional food, that is full of bacteria good for your gut??? like saurkraut & other fermented food?

Dx 7/2008, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIb, 0/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-Dx 7/20/2012, 0/6 nodesSurgery 07/30/2008 Mastectomy (Left)Chemotherapy 10/01/2008 Cytoxan, Ellence, fluorouracilRadiation Therapy 01/10/2009 ExternalHormonal Therapy 02/15/2009 ArimidexSurgery 07/20/2012 Lymph Node Removal: Axillary Lymph Node Dissection (Right)
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Nov 17, 2012 08:18PM River_Rat wrote:

I like yogurt but as you mention it is plain unsweetened to which I add my home made granola.  For me it's a satisfying breakfast that tides me over well and I think it's healthy.  But that's just my opinion.  Many people feel that dairy in any form is not healthy.

Fear is the highest fence. ~Dudley Nichols

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Nov 17, 2012 10:05PM Wren44 wrote:

I like to get plain yoghurt and drain it overnight. The consistency is like whipped cream cheese. In Lebanon we were served pita bread with the drained yoghurt and orange marmalade for breakfast. The sweet and tangy contrast is really good.

Dx 11/11/2011, IDC, <1cm, stage 1b, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR-/HER2-. Lumpectomy and SNB 1/4/12. Reexcision for better margins found 2nd IDC >1cm, stage 1b, grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-. Mastectomy 2/22/12. Arimidex.

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Nov 18, 2012 07:01AM flannelette wrote:

yes, have drained it and used instead of butter on toast during low-fat diet. hm. was starving every 2 hours with low fat. crazy.

All cultures love their own food traditions. I've been to meals with families in France, where all we did was talk about the food - the tender radishes, the crisp beans, the jiucy chicken - as it was served course by course for a 2-hour lunch. yes these people were not fat. and my own Ukrainian food - LOVED - esp at Xmas the supreme meal, all we do (did) was complement the cooks for the tender pierogies, the gorgeous fresh fish, and so on.

and then along came Frankenfood.com. They filled the void where uprooted impoverished people no longer had a strong food tradition. Like my DH's mother - poor, dad probably a coal miner emigrated to Cananda, 12 kids, married into a bit of middle-class, first on the blocvk for Chambers food club and a freezer and...Frankenfood! My DH is totally addicted to it. he once weighed 400 lb. from eating mounds and mounds of junk. Because his mom had no strong culture on which to base her meals. she's still out there, looking for every new product at Walmart:-(

it is a constant battle here, what comes into the house. Cause once it's in, it's in. and it gets eaten.

yesterday, it was over Captain Crunch. yes, a giant bowlful, supposed to be breakfast.

My mother made chicken soup from chickens, from the farmer, feet and all. Especially feet. 2 food worlds colliding. I watch in disbelief as his mom puts applesause on her salmon. applesauce. cuz it's sweet. the kind out of the jar, with sugar.

Sorry, on a rant here

Oh, and Frankenfood.com makes sure it dumps it all over the world, too. but we all know that.

A gorgeous morning here, have a great day all!

Dx 7/2008, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIb, 0/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-Dx 7/20/2012, 0/6 nodesSurgery 07/30/2008 Mastectomy (Left)Chemotherapy 10/01/2008 Cytoxan, Ellence, fluorouracilRadiation Therapy 01/10/2009 ExternalHormonal Therapy 02/15/2009 ArimidexSurgery 07/20/2012 Lymph Node Removal: Axillary Lymph Node Dissection (Right)
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Nov 18, 2012 09:39AM SunflowersMA wrote:

flannel - not if it's made with COW'S MILK.  Several "natural" ( but part of HUGE conglomerates) Yogurt were pushing their produts to the bc community as a "healthy" way to "prevent" bc - BS.  Interesting when you do some research on who OWNS so many of the "aren't we wonderful & good for you" companies..yuck!

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Nov 18, 2012 11:45AM Wren44 wrote:

Applesauce on salmon? Yuck. That should just be illegal.

Dx 11/11/2011, IDC, <1cm, stage 1b, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR-/HER2-. Lumpectomy and SNB 1/4/12. Reexcision for better margins found 2nd IDC >1cm, stage 1b, grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-. Mastectomy 2/22/12. Arimidex.

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Nov 22, 2012 12:02PM notself wrote:

Happy Thanksgiving to all.  I love this Holiday.  Smile

Dx 8/07,IDC, 2.4cm, Stage IIa, Grd 2, 0/8 nodes, ER+PR+Her2 -+ -- Schrödinger never changed a litterbox in his life.

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Nov 22, 2012 03:18PM River_Rat wrote:

Happy Thanksgiving, notself and all.

Fear is the highest fence. ~Dudley Nichols

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Nov 28, 2012 03:49PM CLC wrote:

I have not been around much and I occasionally lurk here...  I have to pipe up on the yogurt.  I avoid all processed foods.  So, I started making my own yogurt.  I have an heirloom culture from a friend of mine from India.  I have been making yogurt from the original starter from two years ago.  I use nonfat organic milk and then mix my plain nonfat yogurt with nuts, seeds and raisins.

I love my yogurt and it is a daily staple.  It is really really easy to make, and doesn't require all those thermometers and steps of most recipes.  I simply boil the milk (full boil, but not boiling over).  Pour the milk into a glass dish.  Cool to the point of being able to put your finger in without being scalded (but no cooler).  Pour in the culture.  Mix, cover, wrap in a towel for 6-8 hours.  Refrigerate.  I tried this with Stonyfield yogurt as a starter culture, but it didn't last many generations.  It was with the heirloom culture that I was successful.  If I ever lose this culture, I would buy one in the health food store. 

It is cheap, organic, never in plastic.  I highly recommend it to anyone who eats plain yogurt.  My friend says it works even better with some fat...lowfat milk or reduced fat.

I think yogurt has been good for me.  I think dairy becomes a real problem when there is a lot of milk fat (butter or cheese, for example).

Just my two cents...:)

Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you. ~Maori Proverb

Dx 9/15/2011, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+Surgery 10/29/2010 Lumpectomy (Left)Surgery 10/07/2011 Mastectomy (Left)
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Nov 28, 2012 04:06PM River_Rat wrote:

CLC, I used to make my own yogurt and recently I've been thinking of doing it again.  I have a yogurt maker I need to dig out and see if the little jars are still ok.  If they're not I guess I could try your method.

Fear is the highest fence. ~Dudley Nichols

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Nov 28, 2012 04:20PM CLC wrote:

My mother used to have a yogurt maker with 4 little milk glass jars that sat in an incubator that kept it warm.  I liked that gizmo.  It must've kept it at just the right temp.  My method is a little hit or miss...

Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you. ~Maori Proverb

Dx 9/15/2011, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+Surgery 10/29/2010 Lumpectomy (Left)Surgery 10/07/2011 Mastectomy (Left)
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Nov 28, 2012 04:26PM gardengumby wrote:

I make my own yoghurt and then 'hang' it in xcheese cloth. I use whole milk. It's delicious!

BRCA1 & 2 negative - 3 family members. Oncotype 14. DCIS 7.5 cm, intermediate

Dx 10/28/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIa, Grade 2, 2/19 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-Dx 10/28/2012, DCIS, 6cm+, Grade 2, ER+/PR+Surgery 12/20/2010 Mastectomy (Left); Lymph Node Removal: Axillary Lymph Node Dissection (Left); Reconstruction: Tissue expander placement (Left)Hormonal Therapy 02/15/2011 TamoxifenSurgery 08/17/2011 Reconstruction: DIEP flap (Left)Hormonal Therapy 11/01/2011 Femara
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Nov 28, 2012 04:30PM River_Rat wrote:

Gardengumby, I hang yogurt in cheesecloth or a strainer and let it drain to make yogurt cheese.  Is that what you are talking about?

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Nov 28, 2012 04:31PM CLC wrote:

GG...is that similar to farmer's cheese or cottage cheese?  How do you do that?

Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you. ~Maori Proverb

Dx 9/15/2011, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+Surgery 10/29/2010 Lumpectomy (Left)Surgery 10/07/2011 Mastectomy (Left)
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Nov 28, 2012 04:34PM gardengumby wrote:

Hanging yoghurt is how you make Greek yoghurt - I think it's also called yoghurt cheese. Cottage cheese is a different process, I think. I haven't made it (yet). ;)

BRCA1 & 2 negative - 3 family members. Oncotype 14. DCIS 7.5 cm, intermediate

Dx 10/28/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIa, Grade 2, 2/19 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-Dx 10/28/2012, DCIS, 6cm+, Grade 2, ER+/PR+Surgery 12/20/2010 Mastectomy (Left); Lymph Node Removal: Axillary Lymph Node Dissection (Left); Reconstruction: Tissue expander placement (Left)Hormonal Therapy 02/15/2011 TamoxifenSurgery 08/17/2011 Reconstruction: DIEP flap (Left)Hormonal Therapy 11/01/2011 Femara
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Nov 28, 2012 04:39PM CLC wrote:

Ooooh...gg...you have piqued my interest. I want to try that!

Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you. ~Maori Proverb

Dx 9/15/2011, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+Surgery 10/29/2010 Lumpectomy (Left)Surgery 10/07/2011 Mastectomy (Left)
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Nov 28, 2012 08:41PM Wren44 wrote:

I discovered I LOVE yoghurt on veggies. We use it on baked potatoes, peas, in soups. I don't care for it with fruit.

Dx 11/11/2011, IDC, <1cm, stage 1b, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR-/HER2-. Lumpectomy and SNB 1/4/12. Reexcision for better margins found 2nd IDC >1cm, stage 1b, grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-. Mastectomy 2/22/12. Arimidex.

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Nov 29, 2012 02:39PM SunflowersMA wrote:

AH, CLC, now THAT IS REAL YOGURT!  ;-)))  I was thinking of the plastic pots full of stuff in supermarkets called "super natural good for you with whatever" yogurt.  Especially those with the cutsey natural names, tho owned by HUGE French conglomerates...

I am using a lot of coconut milk - liking it a lot.

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Nov 30, 2012 09:12AM gardengumby wrote:

Wren, have you tried it with raspberries?

BRCA1 & 2 negative - 3 family members. Oncotype 14. DCIS 7.5 cm, intermediate

Dx 10/28/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIa, Grade 2, 2/19 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-Dx 10/28/2012, DCIS, 6cm+, Grade 2, ER+/PR+Surgery 12/20/2010 Mastectomy (Left); Lymph Node Removal: Axillary Lymph Node Dissection (Left); Reconstruction: Tissue expander placement (Left)Hormonal Therapy 02/15/2011 TamoxifenSurgery 08/17/2011 Reconstruction: DIEP flap (Left)Hormonal Therapy 11/01/2011 Femara
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Nov 30, 2012 09:59AM Wren44 wrote:

Garden, Our raspberries are so good, they are eaten plain. Might go with rhubarb tho. I'm not much of a fruit lover. DH is and keeps serving it to me. Good for me lol.

Dx 11/11/2011, IDC, <1cm, stage 1b, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR-/HER2-. Lumpectomy and SNB 1/4/12. Reexcision for better margins found 2nd IDC >1cm, stage 1b, grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-. Mastectomy 2/22/12. Arimidex.

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Dec 4, 2012 11:50AM gardengumby wrote:

I love raspberries plain, too.  :)  I love 'em with anything, to be honest. 

BRCA1 & 2 negative - 3 family members. Oncotype 14. DCIS 7.5 cm, intermediate

Dx 10/28/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIa, Grade 2, 2/19 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-Dx 10/28/2012, DCIS, 6cm+, Grade 2, ER+/PR+Surgery 12/20/2010 Mastectomy (Left); Lymph Node Removal: Axillary Lymph Node Dissection (Left); Reconstruction: Tissue expander placement (Left)Hormonal Therapy 02/15/2011 TamoxifenSurgery 08/17/2011 Reconstruction: DIEP flap (Left)Hormonal Therapy 11/01/2011 Femara
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Dec 4, 2012 12:50PM Cindyl wrote:

But they are best with dark chocolate... just saying.

Stay calm, have courage and watch for signs.

Dx 2/11/2012, IDC, 3cm, Grade 1, 0/7 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-Surgery 03/01/2012 Lumpectomy (Right); Lymph Node Removal: Sentinel Lymph Node Dissection, Axillary Lymph Node Dissection (Right)Radiation Therapy 04/16/2012 ExternalHormonal Therapy 05/23/2012 Tamoxifen
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Dec 4, 2012 01:13PM gardengumby wrote:

well - yeah - ANYTHING is best with dark chocolate...  Smile

BRCA1 & 2 negative - 3 family members. Oncotype 14. DCIS 7.5 cm, intermediate

Dx 10/28/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIa, Grade 2, 2/19 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-Dx 10/28/2012, DCIS, 6cm+, Grade 2, ER+/PR+Surgery 12/20/2010 Mastectomy (Left); Lymph Node Removal: Axillary Lymph Node Dissection (Left); Reconstruction: Tissue expander placement (Left)Hormonal Therapy 02/15/2011 TamoxifenSurgery 08/17/2011 Reconstruction: DIEP flap (Left)Hormonal Therapy 11/01/2011 Femara
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Dec 4, 2012 01:14PM SunflowersMA wrote:

even dark chocolate is good with dark chocolate...

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Dec 4, 2012 01:19PM River_Rat wrote:

Hmmm...dark chocolate with dark chocolate - my favorite dessert!

Fear is the highest fence. ~Dudley Nichols

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Dec 4, 2012 02:23PM CLC wrote:

Dried apricot with dark chocolate is a staple of my diet...:)

Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you. ~Maori Proverb

Dx 9/15/2011, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+Surgery 10/29/2010 Lumpectomy (Left)Surgery 10/07/2011 Mastectomy (Left)
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Dec 4, 2012 03:18PM gardengumby wrote:

oh yes!!! 

BRCA1 & 2 negative - 3 family members. Oncotype 14. DCIS 7.5 cm, intermediate

Dx 10/28/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIa, Grade 2, 2/19 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-Dx 10/28/2012, DCIS, 6cm+, Grade 2, ER+/PR+Surgery 12/20/2010 Mastectomy (Left); Lymph Node Removal: Axillary Lymph Node Dissection (Left); Reconstruction: Tissue expander placement (Left)Hormonal Therapy 02/15/2011 TamoxifenSurgery 08/17/2011 Reconstruction: DIEP flap (Left)Hormonal Therapy 11/01/2011 Femara
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Dec 5, 2012 07:03AM AnneW wrote:

My current decadent kick is crystalized ginger slices coated in dark chocolate! Found in bulk at Whole Foods!

2002 IDC stage 1, grade 1, rads & AI

Dx 9/18/2007, ILC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

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