So, thinking about how Triple Negatives are less likely to recur if we get past 3 years without recurrence, a question comes to mind. Is everyone else being scanned regularly? I was scanned when I was diagnosed. Then did chemo before surgery so I know chemo wiped out nearly all the cancer....but I haven't had an upper body scan since DX.
I had a brain scan (after complaining loudly about headaches...in order to get a brain scan) and got a bone scan because of joint pain...both negative. But no overall PET or CT scan. Is everyone else getting whole upper body scans? My new oncologist says no need unless symptons. I personally think that is bull $#it, but haven't pushed for it becuase I've done so much to my body and didn't want the extra radiation. I did a lot of extra chemo because my kids are so young. Figured I'd stop poisoning myself.
What do you ladies think....is it crazy to go without a whole upper body scan? If I hadn't done the extra chemo, I'd push for the extra scans...what is everone else doing?
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gcpommom Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 780 |
Aug 18, 2009 11:47 pm
gcpommom wrote:
My onc says the same thing....no scans unless there are symptoms....freaked me out at first, but I will ask for one if I feel worried. Since my type of bc (metaplastic) tends to spread to the lungs first, at least I can get a chest xray whenever I want one from my GP, although I won't have that done too often, because I have read that too many chest xrays are bad....I have had CT scans due to a blood clot in the lung, they scanned from my knees to my neck like 4 times now to check for new clots(due to symptoms I was having), and haven't seen anything else there, so that's good. I have to get another CT in Nov to establish whether or not the clot is gone, so that makes me feel better. I know they're just looking for blood clots, but figure if they saw something else there, they'd tell me. I also had a CT of my head when my van hatchback door slammed down on it. All scans I've had have been for something other than checking for cancer, but they made me feel better. But no bone scans or PET unless I have symptoms. I figure that if I feel I need a scan, I will do like you did and complain of some other symptom in order to get one if I have to. Hey, we gotta do what we gotta do, right? The friend who holds your hand and says the wrong thing is made of dearer stuff than the one who stays away. 12/2008: MBC/IDC, 2.9cm, Stage 2, Grade 3, 0/6 Nodes, Triple Negative
Dx 3/12/2004, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/0 nodes |
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Meggy Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 185 |
Aug 18, 2009 11:50 pm
Meggy wrote:
Gcpommom you are so enjoyable. I totally agree. Thank goodness for that blow to the head. LOL hey, at least you get peace of mind afterwards. I think chest X-rays aren't that bad. I once looked up all the radiation exposures for each test and I think it wasn't much for an X-ray. I think I'll demand one. The lung is a common place to go so that sounds like another good one for me. Hope I don't have to fake a cough. LOL Triple Negative IDC Neoadjuvant chemo 2/08 of 4 dose dense A/C then 4 Taxol, Bilat 6/08, then 2 more AC then 4 Carbo/Taxotere
Dx 2/4/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, /24 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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carolinachi
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 190 |
Aug 19, 2009 08:38 am
carolinachick wrote:
My onc said the same thing - no scans unless there are symptoms. I had the bone and CT scans before treatment, but have not had a brain CT or MRI. I've always had headaches, so that is just normal for me, but now I'm wondering if I should have pressed for a brain scan? My next onc appointment is in November, so maybe I'll bring it up then. Be kind to everyone - for everyone is fighting some sort of battle.
Dx 1/7/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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jramick Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1 |
Aug 19, 2009 09:41 am
jramick wrote:
Hi Everyone! I was just newly diagnosed in July and have already received my first TC chemo treatment for a tumor no larger than 2cm with no lymph node involvement. I am thanking my lucky stars for that one. I am discouraged that my oncologist did not explain more details about my Triple Negative status. I asked about a body pet scan and the subject was dismissed. I too am concerned now about the metastatic factor of this particular diagnosis and am curious why they do not do this in advance prior to treatment!!! I am told by a medical professional that once you have started chemo that with a body pet scan or ct scan, that the chemo can cause false positives in other sites of the body. BUMMER!!!! SO WHY DO THEY NOT DO THIS IN ADVANCE?? I am especially concerned because before the breast cancer was discovered, in 2007 and a follow up in 2008 testing found a benign hemangioma on my lower left lobe of my liver. Now I am flipping out about that - this was even made known to all the breast docs. and STILL no prior body scan was done. I don't think it fair that we should have to wonder. I understand that the breast cancer needs chemo regardless and I guess the docs assume if it is somewhere else in our bodies that the chemo will shrink that too automatically??????? Also I find it interesting that many of you out here have had AC for chemo first and then the TC....have they found that the AC combination is just not as effective in shrinking? Thirdly, why does Triple Negative have a 2 year marker instead of the 5 year marker for other types of cancer? This all really scares me. It has only been about 3 1/2 weeks since I was diagnosed and I have already had the lymph node surgery, 1st chemo treatment, hair is starting to fall out as I type this...I am really having a hard time being positive about future. My husband was talking about a retirement house on the gulf in Florida - I am only 47 and I just felt sad that he may be making those plans without me. This is too new still to me...I feel angry, sad, scared, and not positive as I should be right now. Thanks for everyon'e posts!! Dx 2009, IDC, , Stage I, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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newalex Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 339 |
Aug 19, 2009 05:05 pm
newalex wrote:
Prior to chemo and after surgery, I had a whole body PET scan and a bone scan and even ultrasound of organs and all were clear. Post chemo, I had a brain MRI and a chest scan, as I had some headaches and caught a flu and worried. MRI and chest scan were all clear, thank God. My onc do blood check every 2 weeks and every two months tumor mark. My tumor mark was normal prior to chemo and raised during chemo and normal after chemo. I can see my onc every week if I want or whenever I want. |
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Meggy Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 185 |
Aug 20, 2009 01:10 pm, edited Aug 20, 2009 01:14 PM
by Meggy
Meggy wrote:
jramick is the TC taxol and carboplatin? or is the same C as in AC? Some oncologists are taking out either the A or the C in AC (I can't remember which)...because of toxicity I believe but AC worked really well for me. They talk about 2 years (really more like 3 1/2) as our critical recurrance period because our cancer is likely to show it'sself within that time. Triple negatives tend to be more aggressive and thus, recur faster, but the GOOD NEWS is that chemo tends to work better on triple negatives than other breast cancers. Love your chemo...its a gift from God. Have you had your tumor removed? Thank goodness for negative nodes. That is huge. When they remove the tumor ask them to comment on whether there was evidence of vascular invasion (cancer entering your bloodstream inside your breast) This site will help you so much. You will become your own best advocate. So many triple negatives are cured. If you've only had one round of chemo, its not too late to get a CT scan. I think the PET part of PET/CT shows inflamation....that's probably why you can get false positives (just my educated guess) but the CT should still be done immediately. Demand it within days before the chemo makes it all dissappear!!!!!!!!!!!! Just because its too small to show up on a CT scan dosn't mean its not still there. You need to have at least an upper body CT scan right away to have all the information. Also a bone scan. AFTER you have those, you can start to demand a brain scan. I don't think the chemo enters the brain (without them doing something special) so I think a brain scan after chemo will still give you valid information. Hope I'm right about that. Triple Negative IDC Neoadjuvant chemo 2/08 of 4 dose dense A/C then 4 Taxol, Bilat 6/08, then 2 more AC then 4 Carbo/Taxotere
Dx 2/4/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, /24 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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angelsabove
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 78 |
Aug 21, 2009 08:51 am
angelsabove wrote:
Meggy, I had all the scans prior to surgery. I had my surgery 5/21/2009. I did surgery first and now doing chemo. I do have a question about the EXTRA chemo. Please tell me how much EXTRA you did. I too am young with children...I NEED ALL THEY GOT. I am doing 12 weekly taxol which I have completed 10 of. Then I will be doing something that contains 3 different drugs. I will do that once every three weeks. I want to say it is FEC. The E being easier on the heart. Not completely sure about that. I will then do radiation. My ONC.told me she will scan me every six months. I thought that was too long. I was thinking why not every three? Thanks....MAY GOD BLESS US ALL Dx 4/28/2009, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 3/13 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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London-Virg
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 827 |
Aug 21, 2009 01:14 pm
London-Virginia wrote:
Hi there - the FEC with the "E" bit : epirubicin. If you have a look through the posts over the last say 3 or 4 days, you will find a couple of FEC threads. besy wishes - Virginia
Dx 5/9/2009, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 1/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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Meggy Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 185 |
Aug 21, 2009 10:24 pm
Meggy wrote:
Angelsabove, I did a lot of chemo...more than most who don't have metestatic cancer. I did it because somehow my body let me. We've done different chemos. For all I know, your chemo could have been the best for me. It helped me that I did some before surgery and some after although for killing cancer it's probably better to have it all in a row. I'll tell you what I did and I think it's also in my signature line. 4 AC every 2 weeks, then 4 taxol every 2 weeks, then surgery with some invasive still found in one node, so 2 more AC (I had to beg) and 4 Taxotere/Carboplatin every 3 weeks. This wouldn't be right for everyone.. Some people are cured with far less...just for some reason my body took chemo really well. Surgery on the other hand, I don't tolerate well. My oncologist (a true champion in the breast cancer world) got melanoma skin cancer as I was asking for more chemo. She also had little ones and I think she just really understood my desperation. Triple Negative IDC Neoadjuvant chemo 2/08 of 4 dose dense A/C then 4 Taxol, Bilat 6/08, then 2 more AC then 4 Carbo/Taxotere Node Positive (5+) but exact number unknown due to neoadjuvant chemo
Dx 2/4/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, /24 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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angelsabove
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 78 |
Aug 22, 2009 12:46 am, edited Aug 22, 2009 12:47 AM
by angelsabove
angelsabove wrote:
Meggy, I think I may just BEG for a litte extra. That sounds crazy that we would actually BEG for this stuff, but it beats the alternative. I did surgery first and then chemo. They did find 3 positive nodes when they removed my breast. I did not have chemo prior to surgery. That bothers me at times, I think mmmmmm how do I know this chemo is working. I guess that is where faith and HOPE come in... May God Bless Us All Dx 4/28/2009, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 3/13 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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guitarGrl Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 578 |
Aug 22, 2009 01:39 pm
guitarGrl wrote:
You guys are too much - I've been thinking about complaining about a headache & here some of you have done it already. To emphasize what was said above, the usual treatment used to be ATC - they did drop the "A" because of toxicity and because people seemed to do just as well without it. One thing that confuses me is when the 3+ year marker starts. From the day you are dx? From the day you end treatment? What?? Dx 11/29/2007, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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MelanieW Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 337 |
Aug 22, 2009 03:51 pm
MelanieW wrote:
I do get scanned regularly. Full body Bone. Head, chest and adomen CT. I started with 6 month spacing and now I am at 9 months. My chemo was 6 rounds of TEC. I personally would feel nervous being triple neg and not being scanned. GG; I have also asked the question of when the "magic" anniversary date. After much discussion, for me it is the date that I finished treatment...May 29th, 2007. Dx 11/29/2006, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 2, 3/13 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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Chicago Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 1 |
Sep 29, 2009 10:51 pm
Chicago wrote:
I am new to this site and have recently joined because my youngest sister (age 40) was diagnosed with TN Stage 2, node negative Breast Cancer 10/07 and is now Terminal with diffuse bone mets. She had no follow up scans until she presented with back pain (unexplained cause) and was ordered a bone scan. The cancer resurfaced in her spine and at that time she became known as terminal. She fought for a PET scan as recommended by people from various breast cancer sites. Finally we were able to get one ordered and it came back with the worst news that the mets were too numerous to count. So yes, I agree that you need to have follow up scans and that both CT and PET scans are important. Would it have changed my sister's outcome, we will never know, but fight like h___ to be closely followed. TN is nothing to play around with. |
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mossybaby Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 18 |
Sep 29, 2009 11:07 pm
mossybaby wrote:
Same thing I thought too!! In fact, I was beginning to think my onc was a total quack because how can you tell if everything is ok with out rescanning the body?? My surgeon said 11 of the 12 nodes she took out of me still had active cancer so who's to say where else it would be lingering!! I'm definately going for a second opinion and insisting on being rescanned regardless of poison/radiation. They are pumping us full of that stuff anyways at least this one will give us some peace of mind instead of nausea/heartburn/gas/blahhh... Yvonne
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newalex Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 339 |
Sep 30, 2009 03:12 pm, edited Sep 30, 2009 03:14 PM
by newalex
newalex wrote:
hi Meggy Did you have any vascular invasion? Some women are nodes negative but later developed mets, is it mainly because they had vascular invasion or how did the cancer cells otherwise travel if nodes are negative? What did your onc say? My onc did not say much about it. He just said no vascular invasion is good. (I did not have vascular invasion). You mentioned your onc had skin cancer. How is she doing? Did she take also chemo ? |
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Elliemae32 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 61 |
Sep 30, 2009 10:48 pm
Elliemae32 wrote:
I get a pet and cat scan every 6 months. I have had one false positive already, but am overall glad to have the reassurance with the scans. My treatment buddy was born October 23rd and is a perfect little boy!
Diagnosis: 5/28/2008, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 3/18 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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vbabey Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 30 |
Oct 1, 2009 10:00 pm, edited Oct 1, 2009 10:01 PM
by vbabey
vbabey wrote:
After being dx's with Stage 111a TN on 9/16/09, with at least one large positive node, a PET was ordered asap...which besides nodes, was negtive...started chemo only yesterday, AC 4 rounds of AC, then 4 more rounds of more chemo we are still discussing what. Looking at probable masectomy at least and all lymph notes will come out, oncologist said chemo may be recommended again if residual is found, then radiation. If chemo works, I will go for it again and take my chances. She also ordered a breast MRI, which I can do in a week. My pathgy report said suspicious vascular invasion possible, so I just hope chemo will take care of that...I feel that the PET was totally necessary, not only for my treatment but to know for myself an to see how far I was and to make sure that the most aggresive treatment could be planned. Maybe it's only recommeded for the later stages? Anyway, my thoughts are with all of you... |
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Meece Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 254 |
Oct 18, 2009 10:30 am
Meece wrote:
I had all the scans after surgery, Upper CT, lower CT, PET. But, my cancer team dropped the ball on me one month after rads finished. I had a brain MRI because of severe headaches, and then nothing. I will celebrate the 6 year anniversary of finding my TN tumor next month. My new onc is setting me up for CT scans, after the hoidays, after a cancer scare last month. She told me at my visit 5 years after official diagnosis (I diagnosed myself as soon as I found the lump) that my chance for recurrance of TNC is less than .2%. She said that didn't rule out a different cancer rearing it's ugly head, but I have a good prognosis. Diagnosis: 11/2003, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/16 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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MicheleS Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 490 |
Oct 20, 2009 05:24 pm
MicheleS wrote:
I'm a scanning junkie. I like the reassurance of the scans but I do get really, really stressed out while waiting for results (just ask Judy!... hi Judy <waving>). My onc said that he scans all of is TN patients (regardless of stage) at 12 week intervals 'till 3 yrs and then goes to every 6 mos for yrs 3-5. He also said that if you have surgery before chemo, then your surgery date is your anniversary. So, Jan will be a yr for me... <knock wood> Diagnosis: 12/30/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/7 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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hope123108 Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 14 |
Oct 21, 2009 11:02 am
hope123108 wrote:
Hello, Does anybody know of Dr.'s Oncologist that scan in the Northeast area of PA. My Dr. won't scan and it is eating away at me. Also TNBC, Mom died from spread of breast cancer in 2 short years. I get very scared..Just finished chemo in Aug. Thanks, |
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EllenWeav Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 9 |
Oct 23, 2009 08:15 pm
EllenWeav wrote:
my oncologist scans every 3 months...bone, ct and labs...the insurance sometimes denies the ct but always approves the bone scan.... |
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Luv2sing Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 113 |
Oct 23, 2009 09:56 pm
Luv2sing wrote:
Hello, Just happened across the thread. Finished rads 10/7 and am now waiting for a full scan. No questions yet, just reading everyone's posts. Hugs & Kisses, Raymon
Diagnosis: 1/23/2009, IDC, 3cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 1/7 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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Shirlann Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 7,043 |
Oct 27, 2009 02:57 pm
Shirlann wrote:
Oh wow, I live in California and there is NO WAY you could ever get a PET or CT scan without symptoms, we are mostly in HMO's and their only referral is to Dr. Krevorkian! But not to say that checking is important. Dr. Love says, "let it go, if you met out, you will know it soon enough, so why find out 6 months sooner?, since there is no cure". I don't know, just her opinion. Gentle hugs, Shirlann |
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Meggy Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 185 |
Nov 20, 2009 09:31 pm
Meggy wrote:
I asked my oncologist at the Stanford Breast Cancer clinic which anniversary date to use and she told me my diagnosis date. I like that date the best just because it's sooner. I'll hit 2 years this January. Triple Negative IDC Neoadjuvant chemo 2/08 of 4 dosedense A/C then 4 Taxol, Bilat 6/08, then 2 more AC then 4 Carbo/Taxotere Node Positive (5+) but exact number unknown due to neoadjuvant chemo
Diagnosis: 2/4/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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makingway Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 227 |
Nov 20, 2009 10:29 pm
makingway wrote:
For those of you who are getting scanned and scanned again, you might want to read this:
Diagnosis: 3/2/2009, ILC, 4cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 1/19 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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