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  • Posted on: Oct 20, 2009 02:50 pm
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marmsie wrote:

I'm almost 3 months in with the Arimidex. While multiple side effects have slowly but very surely started slamming my already slammed body (this IS my second face off with breast cancer), I thought it might be best to stick to inquiring about one at a time.

Fatigue. WOW. It's ridiculous. I would appreciate any input on what others have done to deal with it. I've continued my rather aggressive walking schedule, but it's been a struggle, seems to be getting harder, and it leaves me no energy for anything else. (Have to admit the joint pain gets mingled in there, too, and surely increases the fatigue factor.)

I'm not quite ready to give up and switch to another AI yes, but if the joint pains continue to escalate, I'll have to reconsider.  First I'd like to explore ways to mitigate this fatigue issue. Has anyone had luck with any particular supplement? I don't know if it is impacting the quality of my sleep; sleep hasn't been even for me in a few years. I do know I seem to need more snooze time.

Has anyone found something that seems to help? Supplements? Adding this or avoiding that? 


Diagnosis: 3/6/2009, IDC, <1cm, Grade 1, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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JO-5
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Oct 20, 2009 03:22 pm JO-5 wrote:

The best thing I found was to get enough sleep, just like you said... even if you must take something to help you sleep and realize the fact that you do need to rest more.

I did not find any supplement that helped with the fatigue.However, I denied for the whole five years that I was depressed because it is not my nature and I had never been depressed.

Now after finishing my 5 years and being off since May --- I realize that I was indeed depressed because it is just like a veil has lifted.

Depression can cause big time fatigue. If I had it to do over (or God forbid, I ever have to take Arimidex again) I will ask for something for depression when I get to feeling like I did.

Perhaps you should consider these things.

Hang on! It is not easy but it is doable. I never thought I would make the 5 years! I know that you don't know me --- but if I can do 5 years most any body can!

JO

JO - Lumpectomy w/ clear margins- 36rads w/boosts - cellulitis 3x - mild arm LE - Breast LE w/rad. fibrosis - IF EVERYTHING MADE SENSE AND WE UNDERSTOOD ALL THE REASONS - FROM WHAT PLACE WOULD COME THE TRUST?
Diagnosis: 4/4/2004, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Sharon51
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Oct 20, 2009 03:33 pm Sharon51 wrote:

Marmse, yep, on arimidex here too and do suffer from fatigue.  Who knows, is it the arimidex or simply a se of chemo and/or rads?  Perhaps a combination of all thress. But I too don't sleep well due largely in part to hot flashes and I do take half a sleeping pill usually in the middle of the night when/if I cannot get back to sleep.  The fatigue strikes without warning.........sometimes several days in a row.  Sometimes I'll go a week and seem to be ok.  But when I feel the fatigue I simply drag myself back to bed.  At those times I don't even feel hungry which is unusual for me.  I am fortunate that I am not caring for children, nor do I have to head in to work.  If I did I'm not sure I could do it.  When I mentioned it to my onch. she said to talk to my GP!  Tongue out  I didn't bother.  I'm sure I'd just get more pills thrown at me and I'm taking quite enough as it is.  I will say that those fatigue days I do feel 'down'.  I wish I could give you some advice on what works but for me.......I simply go back to bed.  I think I've kind of gotten used to it.  Been on Arimidex for almost 3 years.

Good luck to you.

sunflowers
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Oct 20, 2009 03:36 pm, edited Oct 20, 2009 03:43 PM by sunflowers sunflowers wrote:

My worst SE's kicked in at the 3 month point too!  This may be hard to 'hear' - but honest, it does usually get much better!  I'm going into my 3rd year - and really do feel good.

First thing, I suggest you have your thyroid checked.  Make sure your TSH is below 2.5.  The chemotherapy helped to know out my thyroid, and taking meds for that made a tremendous difference.  I don't know your age - but that is a factor in thryoid function too.

I learned so much on these boards - vitamins, calcium/magnesium, GOOD quality Vitamin D3.  Good idea to have a Vitamin D3 blood test - to make sure you are absorbing it.

 There is something about the 3 month point on Arimidex -it is really the 'crunch' time.  After that, our bodies seem to learn more about how to adjust to having no estrogen.  I am amazed at how different I feel now at the beginning of my 3 rd year than I did at 3 months.  Then, I had such horrific CTS ( carpal tunnel syndrome) I had to stop taking Arimidex for 6 weeks - went to a hand therapist, did exercises and wore wrist splints for about 6 months!

And, I think it's all worth it.  I am grateful I have the kind of bc that can be 'treated' with these newer medications.  I wish you well.  Don't know if some of the older ( 2 years ago) posts on the side effects of Arimidex are still available online.  They were wonderful.

I agree about checking the 'Depression' aspect - I had that ( and still do) before bc, but I can't imagine any women going through what we do without getting depressed.  I use an antidepressant and again, am thankful how effective it is.

Don't give up - there are so many things to try - and know that those of us who are just a little further along the 'Arimidex' path have had the same experiences, or almost the same, as you are.  You're not alone - and it IS the Arimidex.  Damn, for a few years some oncs were trying to say it was 'all in our head' - not mine, but other women on these boards were reporting that.

The SE's of all the AI's are difficult - but they sure are effective medications!

notself
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Oct 20, 2009 10:41 pm notself wrote:

I've been on Arimidex for 18 months.  I had hot flashes and they went away.  I had insomnia and it went away (I used sleeping pills for 2 months).  Now I am having weight gain and tremendous fatigue.  I am sleeping 8-9 hours and need a two hour nap most days.  Even with this much sleep I am tired all the time.  I am exercising daily at my target heart rate for 30 minutes, 5 days a week but it has not given me the energy that exercise normally gives me.  Perhaps the fatigue will go away just like the other SE's have.

I see my onc the first of November; maybe he will have some advice.

sunflowers
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Oct 21, 2009 11:32 am, edited Oct 21, 2009 11:33 AM by sunflowers sunflowers wrote:

notself- if you haven't yet had your thyroid checked - it's an easy blood test to check your thyroid function - a TSH ( thyroid stimulating hormone) blood test - your gp/pcp can easily do it.  That was the cause of most of my fatigue.  Fatigue is a SE of Arimidex, but there can also be other contributing factors.  My oncologists are wonderful, and they kept kindly telling me to be patient with my recovery, as I was just finished with chemotherapy.  Thank goodness women in my BC support group suggested I get the TSH blood test. It's made all the difference for me. 

anniemac
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Oct 21, 2009 01:42 pm anniemac wrote:

Hi, guys!  Sunflowers, you are so right. Last year, right after my diagnosis, I was getting incredibly dizzy. Of Course It was the Cancer!  No, my contacts were mixed up.  Easy fix.

I just swtiched from Femera to Arimidex about 3 weeks ago.  My muscle and joint pain, leg cramps, insomnia and fog are gone...Am tired, but wonder about all of the stresses a critical diagnosis can have on our bodies.I think each drug works on each  body chemistry differently.  I have weight issues now which I am trying to address, but I could not exercise on the Femera so I quit ice skating and Pilates.  Pilates is back and, soon, so will ice skating.  And, I can sit on the floor to work with kindergarteners, again, too.  The hot flashes on both drugs are not kind, but the dr. ordered 25 mg of effexor to help me "get through the night." (Whatever gets you through the night is all right...")


Diagnosis: 10/1/2008, DCIS, 1cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
marmsie
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Oct 21, 2009 02:45 pm marmsie wrote:

Thanks all for the input and personal experiences. It's all good information.

In my case it is not radiation or chemo as I didn't have to go that route this time ("ONLY" mastectomy). I did do rads and chemo with the first diagnosis, but that was 9 years ago. Gotta let that excuse go, but confess I claimed chemo brain for a loooonng time. I do know my vitamin D is very low (found out over a year ago) and responding slowly to supplements. My thyroid is within normal limits. I could try debating the "normal limits" issue but haven't got the strength.

Depression is a strong possibility. Cancer twice and not necessarily dealing with the missing breast very well. Major hit to the body image. Children are leaving the nest and it's not all smooth launching. I'm not sure I'm ready to accept pharmaceutical intervention quite yet. It's like the side effects of the Arimidex have been a tipping point?

I'm just over 50 and have maintained a healthy weight all my life. I haven't been as dedicated to true exercise as I should have been, but I've always been moderately active. Got serious about walking almost a year ago, I toss in a little jogging and incorporate some hills. It's been good for the stress level if nothing else, but I think it also helps with the hot flashes. The walking has been tougher since Arimidex, though I have not allowed it to stop me. The aches have impacted my pace.

I'm not ready to switch drugs yet, but it's curious how these different AIs hit each of us differently. I will keep an open mind about looking into the depression aspect if things do not improve. Part of me readily agrees that I might have earned the right to a little depression? 


Diagnosis: 3/6/2009, IDC, <1cm, Grade 1, ER+/PR+, HER2-
BonnieK
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Oct 21, 2009 03:08 pm BonnieK wrote:

I've been taking Arimidex for 7 months and am still trying to figure out how to deal with the fatigue.  Hot flashes were bad at first,but have diminished to a 3-4 a day.  Insomnia has been terrible since before BC and, because I work 4 days a week, half of a Lunesta is needed most nights.  No matter how much I sleep, the fatigue continues.  Vitamins don't seem to make much difference, but I do take several, including C, D and E.  Walking (not very speedily!) and regular exercise helps the joint pain, but not the fatigue.  Depression was a factor from the day of diagnosis and I'm still taking a low dose of Effexor XR, which also helps with the hot flashes.  Taking an anti-depressant is a very personal choice, but it has made a big difference for me.  Arimidex side effects are a small price if it keeps BC from returning.  My onc did say that he would switch me to Tamoxifen or possibly Femara if side effects were bad, but I feel well enough to stay on the Arimidex for now. 

And yes, you have definitely earned the right to a little depression!

Bonnie       


Diagnosis: 9/2008, IDC, 5cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 2, 1/11 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
notself
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Oct 21, 2009 11:09 pm notself wrote:

Sunflowers,

Thanks for the kind words and advice.  I will ask my GP about it when I see her in November. 

For those who are experiencing joint pain, try Tumeric and Bromelain.  Both are anit-inflamitories and helped with my joint pain althought the pain was probably unrelated to Arimidex.  Tumeric is the same spice that is used in curry and bromelain comes from pinapple.  Do not use either if you are on blood thinners without clearing things with your doctor.   

Best wishes and metta to you all,

notself

sunflowers
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Oct 22, 2009 08:12 am sunflowers wrote:

Hi, notself,

also, good to 'watch out' for Tumeric if you have gall bladder problems.  No idea why, but I was told that before I had my gall bladder removed, last year, and noticed several of the vitamins I was taking had tumeric in them.  Damn, this does get confusing.  Found out there was 'soy bean oil' as the base of the Vitamin D3 I was taking, so now take ones in a 'rice oil base.' 

Also, I know one of the SE's of some antisepressants is 'fatigue.'  

NativeMaine…
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Oct 22, 2009 08:36 am NativeMainer wrote:

I've been on arimidex for a couple of years now.  I had depression before bc, but I've noticed the seasonal fluctuations are worse with arimidex.  I discovered last winter that adding magnesium, calcium and CoQ10 to my supplement list in the winter helped considerably with the fatigue. 

The fatige SE from antidepressants goes away about a week after a dose increase, may take a few weeks to fade out when you start taking a new antidepressant.  It takes up to 6 weeks to see the full effect of an antidepressant, so be patient if you go that route.   

dx 3/07, Stage 2, Grade 2 IDC, 2.8cm, ER+PR+, Her2(-), SN-, lumpectomy & rads, mastectomy 8/15/08
notself
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Oct 28, 2009 05:08 pm notself wrote:

Sunnflowers,

People with gall bladder problems should not take turmeric.  Bromelain should not be a problem and is really helps with joint pain and inflamation.  Still checking with your GP is a good idea.

I read somewhere that Arimidex supresses the parathyroid, the gland that helps process Vitamin D.  I see my doctor on November 9.

sunflowers
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Oct 29, 2009 08:50 am, edited Oct 29, 2009 08:50 AM by sunflowers sunflowers wrote:

WOW, notself - that is fascinating about parathyroid possibly being supressed.  Do you remember where you read or heard about it?

There are so many instances where woman are taking massive amounts of Vitamin D3 - and still not raising their blood test levels.  I'd be very interested in learning more if you can remember your source.  Thanks!

notself
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Nov 2, 2009 12:46 am notself wrote:

I have looked for the source and can't find it again.  I will continue to look. I am now taking 2400 mg of D3 every day and 50,000 units of prescription D2 once a week. I will have a blood test for vitamin D on November 9 but the results won't be back until on or about the 15th.  I'll let you know the results. 

notself
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Nov 2, 2009 11:36 pm, edited Nov 2, 2009 11:39 PM by notself notself wrote:

This isn't the link where I saw the mention of parathyroid suppression but is does link Arimidex to hypothyroidism.  I hope this helps.

http://www.upmc.com/healthAtoZ/Pages/HealthLibrary.aspx?chunkiid=11757

Aromatase Inhibitors 

Aromatase inhibitors can cause osteoporosis and bone fractures. Other side effects include lack of energy, hypertension , nausea, vomiting, hypothyroidism , and skin rash.

Blundin2005…
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Nov 3, 2009 05:36 am Blundin2005 wrote:

Hi ladies,

There was a lot of good conversation here in 2008 about parathyroid.  If you click on Search at the top of the page, right side then...keyword = parathyroid ... member name = blindedbyscience you might find it helpful.

I take increased D3, calcium, magnesium and they increased my thyroid medication for hypothyroid.  My thyroid disease was diagnosed in the early 90's around the same time that a benign lump was removed from my left breast near the nipple.  My surgery in 2005 was also on the left breast, lower right quadrant.  

AIs are not pleasant for many people...I'm one of them.  I stopped to take it the past April ahead of schedule.    

DX 15 Aug '05, Stage1/grade1, 1.5 cm, IDC/DCIS, 0/2 nodes, ER+PR-,HER2 5% Dx Oct 2008 bladder papilloma low grade
anne26
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Nov 4, 2009 02:01 pm anne26 wrote:

I have been taking aromisin sincer summer. the fatigue was horrible, worse was  muscle and jount/bone pain. I started accupuncture for the pain and after the pain was controled I noticed my fatique disappeared. also I was started on celexa for hot flashes and mood cjhhanges. These have disappeared and my energy improved. I did not realize how much my mood influenced my energy level. You might want to try antidepresseant, I did not think I was depressed, but the change to my body fromloss of estrogen affected my mental status more than I  realized. good luck Anne26

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