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Forum: Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment — Complementary medicine refers to treatments that are used WITH standard treatment. Holistic medicine is a term used to describe therapies that attempt to treat the patient as a whole person.

Posted on: Jan 9, 2009 04:30PM, edited Jan 7, 2010 10:52AM by bco_admin3

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Jan 9, 2009 04:44PM, edited Jan 9, 2009 05:02PM by Rosemary44

Instead of supplementing, why not just eat 2 brazil nuts a day.  Vitamin A has been known to offset vitamin D.  So supplementing A can cause problems, just eat your spinach and carrots, and goji berries for antioxidants. 

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Jan 9, 2009 07:53PM wallycat wrote:

Be careful with selenium supplements....studies show too much selenium can produce type 2 diabetes.

Dx 4/07 1 month before turning 50; ILC 1.8cm, ER+/PR+, HER2 neg., Stage 1, Grade 2, 0/5 nodes. Onco score 20, Bilateral Mast., tamoxifen 3-1/2 years, arimidex-completed 4/20/2012

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Jan 19, 2009 06:58PM paige-allyson wrote:

From what I've read 2 Brazil nuts per day is the way to go. This is a case where more does not equal better- they have a lot of fat but it is the best way to meet your selenium needs, and there is evidence that getting adequate selenium may interfere with cancer promotion/development.

Dx 5/18/2007, ILC, 3cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 2, 6/17 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Jan 20, 2009 03:10PM Sierra wrote:

I have taken a small amount of selenium since dx

in year 2000.. not a lot..

also.. Brazil nuts are good

must get me some .. forgot about that

Hugs, Sierra

:)

The Time is Now!

Dx 1/2000, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 1/14 nodes, ER-/PR-
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Jan 23, 2009 07:45PM, edited Jan 7, 2010 10:52AM by bco_admin3

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Jan 27, 2009 11:40PM Luckysmom wrote:

I have been taking a selenium supplement ever since 2006 as a preventative against cancer recurrance ... my doc is fine with it as it's not at an excessive dosage ...

Brigitte

Dx 3/6/2006, IDC, 1cm, Stage II, Grade 2, 2/13 nodes, ER+/PR-
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Jan 29, 2009 07:34PM pod1257 wrote:

200mcgs of selenium is the upper limit to take daily. Any more can produce toxicity.

Julie

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Jan 30, 2009 10:21AM Rosemary44 wrote:

Nor would I supplement vitamin A.  You feel it first in your hips.  A offsets D, and we need that more than A.  Plus A is in a lot of veggies.  Natural A from foods seems to be fine for us.   

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Feb 5, 2009 10:38PM, edited Feb 5, 2009 10:39PM by jancie

Selenium with Vitamin E is a supplement that is given to horses, however it can cause them to die if you don't follow the exact dosage amounts.

Not trying to compare horses to humans but if it is toxic to horses I can only by using common sense believe that it is also very toxic to humans if you take too much.

Never Alone - My TaTa Sisters are always with me!

Dx 12/30/2008, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIb, Grade 1, 0/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Jan 5, 2010 08:44PM, edited Jan 15, 2010 03:43PM by sitadel

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Jan 6, 2010 09:57PM, edited Jan 15, 2010 03:43PM by sitadel

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Jan 7, 2010 09:53PM jancie wrote:

Since I first responded to this post in February - it showed up in active topics again - I remembered the news story of the 21 polo ponies that died of selenium overdose.  Now mind you these horses weight typically 900 to 1000 lbs.

The website is:

  scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist...

Here is a partial part of the story:  I can't seem to paste in Mozilla Firefox so I will just type this out...

The vets prescription requested 0.5 mg of sodium selenite per milliliter of the cocktail but the chemist added 5 mg, or ten times that amount.  According to the National Research Council, a single minimal lethal oral dose of sodium selenite in horses is 3.3 mg/kg, but a fatal injected preparation, such as what these horses received contains a much smaller dose.

Selenium is a naturally-occuring mineral that is essential to good health in tiny amounts, but it is fatal in large doses.  Symptoms of selenium poisoning include pulmonary edema, reduced blood pressure, unconsciousness and death.

I know horses and people are not the same but selenium is very toxic if you take too much so I guess what I am trying to say is to double check and triple check the amount that you can take without having issues with toxic poisoning.

 By the way, all of these horses died within 3 hours of getting the shots.

Never Alone - My TaTa Sisters are always with me!

Dx 12/30/2008, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIb, Grade 1, 0/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Jan 9, 2010 02:11PM, edited Jan 15, 2010 03:43PM by sitadel

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Jan 9, 2010 06:27PM, edited Jan 15, 2010 03:44PM by sitadel

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Feb 2, 2010 11:34AM, edited Apr 4, 2014 06:43AM by alain23

Yes,

Regarding this subject (selenium) , before doing anything you must ask your oncologist and you must also collaborate (and ask of course) with a registered dietician who knows well oncology (1) and who abolutley has to collaborate with your oncologist. I read it's the best way that your body gets all the nutriments he needs without problems.

Here is a complete information regarding this subject :

 (Sorry for my English this is not my native language ;-))

Nutrition is very important for cancer patients and many studies show an improvement of many factors (quality of life, immune system, SURVIVAL)  thanks to the help of a registered dietitian for cancer patients. (1).

Of course this registered dietitian has to know well oncology and to collaborate with you oncologist .  (you must also tell your team about the treatments for other illnesses than cancer you're taking on the same time)

It's highly advised to collaborate with the dietitian right after the diagnosis.

He will help you, for instance, for the following situation :

-          He can help us before during and after the treatment .Thanks to his advises you will also be able to eat healthy on the long time going after the end of the treatment, what is also important.

-          Your team (oncologist and registered dietitian) can also advise you about physical activity. Ask them advises about physical activity because many studies showed an increased survival thanks to that.

-          Your team will also make sure your body gets all the nutriments he needs, also by making analysis, according to what I read. This is important because studies showed that that a correct amount of nutrients in the body increases survival and decreases relapse. For instance there is a relationship between a correct amount of selenium in the body and cancer rate. Ask them how to get the good levels of nutrients (and selenium) during all the time (before, during and on the long term going after the treatment) without problems (2)

-          I ALSO READ IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN A CORRECT VITAMIN D  LEVEL IN YOUR BODY (neither too high nor too low) DURING AND AFTER THERAPY (ALSO TO INCREASE SURVIVAL). ASK YOUR TEAM TO ANALYSE YOUR VITAMIN D LEVELS AND HOW TO MAINTAIN THE GOOD LEVEL. Also ask which other nutrients it's important to analyze.  It is also important to have a correct amount of vitamin D on the long term going after the therapy.  Discuss with your team how to maintain this level and to make analyses regularly. I also heard vitamin D works together with calcium.

But I also read it's not good to have a too high level in your body that's why we need professional coounselling

I read that certain nutrients are easier to analyze than other. For instance Selenium can be analyzed in the blood, in the hairs and in the nails.

-          Your team can also advise you foodstuffs with interesting properties against cancer. For instance I read that cruciferous vegetables like broccoli decrease cancer rate (from 5 serving a week)  in epidemiological studies (thanks to isothiothianates and other substances). 

Cruciferous vegetables were more effective than many other foodstufs in these studies.

Here is something very important I also read these vegetables are much more efficient if we add other foodstufs that have interesting properties like chinese mustard (Brassica Juncea),brocoli sprouts, radish because it hels to cross the intestinal barrier.

This is very important to add these foods to cruciferous vegetables because with this simple method whe make sure to have an efficient action for all the body (thanks to the fact that it helps to cross the intestinal barrier). I also read it's important to chew them a long time in order to increase their assimilation.

It's also important to discuss about alimentation with your medical team (oncologist and registeredi dietitian) in order to avoid food-drugs interactions. If you want to add a new food to your alimentation, ask your medical team if it's ok to consume it before during and after the treatment. If it's not possible to consume a food during the treatment, its often possible to consume ti before and/or after. Ask your medical team when.

WE MUST ALSO AVOID TO BUY THESE VEGETABLES DEEP FROZEN BECAUSE THEY ALSO LOOSE THEIR PROPERTIES (the industrial process to deep-froze them make them loose a great part of their properties by heating them at high temperature before deep-frozening).

Brocoli sprouts contains 50 times more isothiocyianates than broccoli. For people who have cancer ask your medical team (oncologist and registered dietitian) if it's ok for you to consume cruciferous vegetables (and tell them about which kind of cruciferous vegetables you're thinking about), broccoli sprouts and chenise mustard (and in which form adding chenise mustard).


In the studies I read it's very efficient from 5 servings a week incuded in a healthy alimentation. But ask your team about the quantities , also ask how to integrate brocoli sprouts

.But as I am not a doctor this information is not a medical advise, just informations I read. That's why I prefere to be prudent. For instance if you take blood thinning medications like warfarin, ask your medical team how to consume cruciferous vegetables because they contain vitamin K that change (decrease) the effectiveness of these drugs. Also ask about other foodstufs that contains vitamin K. But I don't mean to say that people who take blood thinning medications must avoid cruciferous vegetables, just that they have to ask their medical team how to consume them.

And of course if you are pregnant you have to ask your doctor which food you must avoid and ask before adding a new food in your alimentation (for instance horseradish must be avoided during pregnancy and lactation)

But I am not a doctor (I just work in a laboratory ;-) Always ask your medical team (onco and reg dietitian) regarding all these subjects (physical activity, food, analyses, cruciferous vegetalbes, and so on) I know I wrote so many times to ask but I prefer to be prudent ;-)

Have a nice day

Al

 (1) Ask your oncologist to advise you a good one who knows well oncology. This collaboration increased survival in many studies, so it's important to find one. The name of this specialist can vary from a country to another, that's why it's good to ask your oncologist the name of the best kind of nutrition spec. for cancer,

(2)  Oncology is very complicated and nothing is white or black. I read studies that say we have to maintain good level of selenium because it reduces side effects and even increase efficiency of some treatments. But another in vitro study show that a compound that contains selenium named Ebselen reduces slightly the efficiency  bloeomycin. Ok this is one particular case of interaction and it doesn't mean at all that we don’t' have to maintain a good level of nutrients (and selenium) in our bodies. As I said nothing is black or white in oncology and we have to ask our oncologist and registered dietitian how to get the correct amount of selenium without having problems.  

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Feb 5, 2010 11:15AM, edited Sep 4, 2011 11:40AM by alain23

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Feb 10, 2010 05:20AM Merilee wrote:

You can get all the selenium you need by eating two brazil nuts a day

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Feb 10, 2010 06:41AM, edited Sep 4, 2011 11:40AM by alain23

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Feb 10, 2010 07:06PM Joy_ wrote:

Wow, Alain, you must have a brilliant and knowledgeable Doctor. 

Our local Dr failed to recognise my husband's burst appendix and sent him home with a diagnosis of gastric flu several times till 10 days after his first visit.  Just as well the infection formed an abscess with no peritonitis or he'd be dead.

Then there was the trip to ER with chest pains when he was sent home with a misdiagnosis of heartburn when he's never had it before.  They had misread the ECG. Again it was 10 days later when they admitted him with a mild heart attack which required a stent two days later after an emergency hospital transfer when hubby started deteriorating.

My youngest son was told by several Dr's that there was no such thing as Chronic fatigue and said he just didn't want to go to school.  This despite my insistence that he was sicker during the long school summer break.  What teenager wants to sit at home and not see his friends or go out at all?  But they were deaf to it, mothers apparently know nothing.  Thankfully the pediatrician was familiar with chronic fatigue so they didn't make him go to school though there is no treatment or cure and three years later he is in remission and going to art college.

My sister was admitted to hospital in the UK with extreme abdominal pain and said she thought she might be pregnant and have an ectopic pregnancy.  They decided it was pelvic inflammatory disease and only on the third day when she was drifting in and out of consciousness did they operate and found she was right.  With an ectopic pregnancy she could have died on day two.

So many times I've visited a lovely and well meaning Dr in the practice where they have my records on a card system and on computer and they don't even know I've had cancer in the last 6 months.  Ah, so that's why you're wearing a scarf or wig...  Most don't know anything about nutrition beyond the basics.  I couldn't begin to type out all the minor errors which they persisted with when I pointed out the problem.

They are too busy due to the system which doesn't give them time to read patient files or take the time over a diagnosis or treatment options or to follow the latest research about nutrition.  There's a lot of stress as they see their long term patients deteriorate and die. They see the painful side of illnesses that we mostly hide away from the public. They hear the sad tales of depression and disability and feel helpless when medicine is not able to help  in so many cases.  So many Dr's are addicted to many different drugs due to the stress.

I do understand but I also know from studies that patients who take control of their own health and nutrition have much better outcomes and less depression.

I'm lucky to have a lovely oncologist but I won't press the nutrition side of things till I feel she respects my opinion and knowledge. So far she has passed all my minor tests such as vitamin D requirements and knowing I used mushrooms and grape seed extract as natural aromatase inhibitors prior to being put on arimidex and has proven herself worthy of my further disclosure when I feel comfortable enough.

Take care and always double check your doctor's advice and treatment.