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  • Posted on: May 3, 2009 10:31 am
Lansing , MI
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Merilee wrote:

Here is the start of the thread. I am always looking for unique protein ideas. I have noticed that lot of the protein drinks have soy which I avoid due to being estrogen positive. I like quinoa but am looking for other things too.

I do eat dairy and eggs but only organic.

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Katalin
Toronto, ON
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 206
May 3, 2009 11:00 am Katalin wrote:

Here's an interesting website which lists the nutrients in various foods.  You can also sort by nutrient, and get a listing.  http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/  Not everything is there, but a heck of a lot is.

It's surprising which foods have protein, even vegetable sources.  Potatoes!  Chia seeds! Who knew??? 


Dx 7/1/2006, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
baywatcher
Key West, FL
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 438
May 3, 2009 11:08 am baywatcher wrote:

Merilee-

You can get all of the protein that you need from a plant based diet which does not include dairy or eggs. Nuts and legumes are good sources of protein.

mom_of_2
Atlanta, GA
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 337
May 3, 2009 11:11 am mom_of_2 wrote:

I have the same problem...protein...protein...protein. I had a powder mix that I used pre-diagnosis but it has soy. I went to my local natural health food store and bought a soy-free brown rice protein drink. ITS TERRIBLE...even blended with fruit! Taste like stale brown rice. I do not recommend you waste your money plus much lower amount of protein compared to soy formula. I decided I would just try to get my daily % from food but its not easy. I would love any suggestions!!

mom_of_2
Dx 6/2/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 1/23 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
Merilee
Lansing , MI
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May 3, 2009 03:42 pm Merilee wrote:

I do like nuts and wolud love some creative ideas on using them

Merilee
Lansing , MI
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May 3, 2009 05:30 pm Merilee wrote:

Also I have been told that 27 grams of protein is recommened daily but I have seen 50 grams on other readings. Any one know the real scoop?

baywatcher
Key West, FL
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Posts: 438
May 3, 2009 08:59 pm baywatcher wrote:

Merilee-

I use walnuts in my morning oatmeal and put them in my salad. I also have a handful of nuts (usually almonds) for a snack.

Studies show that you should keep protein to 10% of your calories. I don't actually know how to figure this out but I do know that you can get all of your necessary protein from a plant based whole grain diet. Too much protein can actually promote cancer.

DGHoff
Minneapolis, MN
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 381
May 3, 2009 11:24 pm DGHoff wrote:

I've read that, if you look at breast milk, which is the food designed for babies who are growing rapidly, the protein content is only about 3% of the total. So, the argument is that, if that low protein content is good enough to fuel the growth of a rapidly growing infant, why would an adult's needs be that different. Interesting theory.


Dx 6/14/2007, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, 7/8 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
LibraGirl
Vancouver, BC
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 144
May 4, 2009 02:50 am LibraGirl wrote:

A great source for vegetarian nutrition is the book Becoming Vegetarian, by Melina, Davis, and Harrison.  They give the formula for figuring out individual protein needs as 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight (0.6 g if you're Canadian!!).  So a 120 lb woman (about 54 kg) should aim for about 43 grams of protein (or just over 1.5 oz) of protein a day. Alternatively, it's recommended that 10-15% of daily calories come from protein.  This is quite attainable on a vegetarian diet, especially if one is a lacto-ovo vegetarian.  If you are trying to go completely vegan it is a bit more challenging but doable.

Interresting DGHoff.  I've never heard this particular argument, but my brother has read a fair bit on this subject and believes that we (North Americans) actually eat too much protein.

Instead of tediously calculating my intake on a daily basis, I try to eat protein at every meal and snack, but not necessarily as the star of the meal, but as one ingredient. Most food has some protein in it, so it all adds up.  Periodically, just to make sure I'm on track, I will log my food for a few days and then input it into a diet analysis program (there are some free but tedious ones on the web) to get an overall nutritional analysis, including protein intake, and I am usually pretty close, sometimes even over, the recommendation.

Some of my protein staples are 

(Vegan)

-bean spreads (black bean, hummus, etc.)

-soups with lentils and beans

-nut butters (almond and cashew)

-walnuts, pecans, sunflower seeds in salads

-handfuls of nuts as a snack (cashews, peanuts, almonds, etc.)

-fermented soy (is supposed to be less problematic re: estrogen than unfermented soy like tofu) like tempeh, miso, or natto

-quinoa as pilaf or salad

-pasta made from kamut (another anicent grain, with has a rich buttery taste)

(Non-Vegan)

-cream cheese on toast or bagels

-yogurt (with fresh berries or in a smoothie)

-feta cheese in salad (generally I am a cheeseaholic and add it to almost everything. . . )

-eggs (sandwiches, omelets, pancackes and crepes, fritattas . . .)

-cereal with milk (any time of day)

-chocolate milk (for an occassional treat!!)

Dx March 14 2008, IDC 1.7 cm, Stage 1, Grade 2, 0/3 Nodes, ER+ PR+ Her2+
Merilee
Lansing , MI
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May 4, 2009 11:00 am Merilee wrote:

Yummy party dip

1 bunch cilantro

¼ cup olive oil

4 cloves garlic diced

1 fresh chopped hot pepper (chili or Jalapeño)

1cup cashews

1Tbs soy sauce (can substitute honey)

2 tsp brown sugar

Pinch of salt

Put all ingredients into a food processor   or blender until desired consistency.

Serve with flat or pita bread wedges

Merilee
Lansing , MI
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May 4, 2009 05:11 pm Merilee wrote:

Anyone have any good veggie sushi recipies?  I like cucumber and avacodo.

daisy6
WI
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Posts: 388
May 5, 2009 11:16 am daisy6 wrote:

"SO glad to see this new topic and thread !

Is anyone else ER negative?  I was told soy protein doesn't matter - by my BS.

Before the test came back, he told me to stick with 2 servings of soy per week.

ANyone else get information similiar to this?

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daisy6
WI
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Posts: 388
May 5, 2009 11:29 am daisy6 wrote:

What is your favorite breakfast??

I love a small cartoon of yogert, mixed with some dry fruit (cherries is my favorite), raw oatmeal and walnuts.

2 - Whole Grain Total  Raisin bran, with extra raisins.

3 - usually once a week - 2 eggs

What are some other break the fast ideas?

blah
Merilee
Lansing , MI
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May 5, 2009 11:39 am Merilee wrote:

I like hot cereal. I use quinoa, oats and cornmeal & I like to add nuts and fruit.

I love papaya with lime juice squeezed on top.

When I eat scramble eggs I first cut up a corn torilla into small squares, then fry it till brown, then add my egg mixture which may have a littel hot pepper (chopped fine) in it.


Dx 1/9/2009, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
dlb823
CA
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Posts: 2,503
May 5, 2009 11:55 am dlb823 wrote:

I most often do a cup of plain yogurt (Brown Cow Cream Top is my absolute favorite; Trader Joe's Greek Yogurt is also good), with some chopped walnuts, dried cranberries, and ground flax seed (just a bit).  Sometimes I'll also add a small handful of vanilla granola, or some fresh berries, or a tablespoon of whey protein.

I also love the dark European square bread from Trader Joe's that's full of all kinds of whole grains and nuts.  Heavenly with just a bit of Trader Joe's European style butter (the one in the red pkg).

Deanna
Dx 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
ravdeb
Israel
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May 5, 2009 01:52 pm ravdeb wrote:

I'm a new vegetarian as well. I've been a vegetarian since September. I just had a blood test and everything was good! Even my B12..my biggest concern.

I eat a lot of grains and nuts. I put nuts in my brown rice, on salads, mixed in with my vegetables that I cook..just about everywhere! We also snack on almonds and seeds. I need to watch my cholesterol as well and almonds and walnuts are good for that.

I make a hearty lentil soup that is filling and like a meal in a bowl.

I try to eat greens..spinach ( I add it to soup, salads...the list is endless)

Quinoa in all different ways.

Soy sauce on things (fermented is better than soy that isn't. I used to eat a lot of tofu..I'm triple neg but don't think it's a good idea to overdo though I'll eat soy on occasion)

I try to stay organic...whole wheat organic pasta once a week with tons of veggies and sometimes with nuts and low fat cheese..I eat milk products though very little because it aggravates my asthma (geez..I sound like a mess!).

High fiber cereals.

Whole wheat or other types of breads

Humous

Tehina (okay..I'm Israeli so this is a given but it's healthy..this and humous! Watch what type of oils they use in these though..should be canola so it won't be high in cholesterol)

I make a chick pea salad that is REALLY yummy!

 I was actually told, as a triple neg, to not eat meat and stick with a low fat, vegetarian diet that includes fish and eggs. I rarely eat fish..not even tuna.But I do have an egg or two a week.

Bean sprouts on things...

 It seems to be working!

IDC, 2cm, triple negative, grade 3, node neg
phoenixrisi…
BC
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Posts: 119
May 5, 2009 02:45 pm phoenixrising wrote:

Hemp is a good protein source.  You can get hemp protein powder at your health food store.


Dx 5/1/2006, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 3/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
phoenixrisi…
BC
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May 5, 2009 02:47 pm phoenixrising wrote:

A good site to determine your protein sources, log your daily meals and get a comprehensive view of all the nutrients (except iodine) is www.nutritiondata.com


Dx 5/1/2006, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 3/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
soapsnug
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 62
May 5, 2009 03:43 pm soapsnug wrote:

For breakfast, most of the time I have oatmeal (cooked--or if I feel like having it raw, just soaked overnight and gently heated).  I usually add things like oat bran or wheat bran, wheat germ, and chia seeds.  Sometimes I throw some dried fruit (usually blueberries--Trader Joe's has them without added sugar) or some sunflower seeds in, too.  Sometimes I have cold cereal with rice milk--usually shredded wheat and bran.  It pretty much tastes like cardboard, but I'm used to it after all these years, and I actually like it.  Sometimes I'll toss in some fresh strawberries or banana, but usually I prefer to eat it plain.  One other thing I sometimes do for breakfast (and often for lunch on the run) is to mix raw oatmeal with things like shredded coconut, sunflower seeds, wheat germ, dried fruit, chopped almonds, sesame seeds, cinnamon, and a teaspoon of organic sugar.  I eat it in a bowl with a spoon, but I don't add any type of milk.  The sugar usually sinks right down to the bottom, as it has nothing to stick to, so I end up eating very little of it--still it does add a little sweetness (especially if I tilt the bowl and scoop some of it up in my spoon!)--so does the coconut.  This is my version of "granola", although most granola is baked--at least the oats and sweetener.  This conglomeration is very chewy (because the oats are raw), and a lot of people think I'm crazy when they see me eating it without milk, but I really like it!

Audrey

dlb823
CA
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May 9, 2009 10:31 pm dlb823 wrote:

Merilee ~  I made your party dip with the cashews tonight, and it's fabulous!  Besides a dip, I think it would be delicious on a baked potato, or salmon, or probably quite a few other things. Anyway, just wanted to tell you that I tried it, and thank you for sharing the recipe!   Deanna

Deanna
Dx 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
AccidentalT…
United Kingdom
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Posts: 368
May 9, 2009 11:21 pm AccidentalTourist wrote:

From Jamie Oliver's web site:

the best whole-baked carrots

serves 4

ingredients

  • 750g/1lb 10oz young bunched carrots, different colours if possible, washed and scrubbed
  • olive oil
  • herb or red wine vinegar
  • sea salt and freshly ground black pepper
  • a few sprigs of fresh thyme

• 3 cloves of garlic, crushed

I love cooking any type of carrot in this way. By cooking them first covered by tinfoil, they steam and exchange flavours with the herbs and garlic. Then when you remove the foil they start to roast and sweeten. A really simple method but one that gives incredibly delicious results!

Preheat your oven to 200°C/400°F/gas 6. Toss your carrots with a good glug of olive oil, a splash of vinegar, salt and pepper, the thyme sprigs and the garlic cloves. Place in a roasting tray or earthenware dish, cover tightly with tinfoil and cook for 30 to 40 minutes until just tender. Remove the foil and cook for a further 10 minutes until the carrots have browned and caramelized nicely.


Dx 5/23/2008, IDC, ER+/PR+, HER2-
celia088
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,744
May 9, 2009 11:41 pm celia088 wrote:

Ravdeb, would you post the recipe for your delicious chick pea salad? Thanks!  I love chick peas!!

I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 15 years. In the last few years i have had to take Vit. B12 supplements and iron supplements because i am low in these areas.  I am also diabetic and my docs think that may be related to the low levels too.

I use a lot of nuts, beans, cereals, whole grain bread, cheese and some eggs occasionally.  I often make patties made with beans and veggies.

I am ER+ so i just avoid all soy mostly, except for a bit of soy sauce.

"May your heart always be joyful, May your song always be sung, May you stay forever young"........Bob Dylan
ravdeb
Israel
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Posts: 3,069
May 15, 2009 06:28 am ravdeb wrote:

Chickpeas and Green Bell Peppers with Tomatoes

 Ingredients:

2 green bell peppers

2 tablespoons olive oil

2 cloves garlic, minced

12 oz tomatoes, peeled, seeded and minced

1 1/2 teaspoons salt, or to taste

1 can chickpeas, drained and skins removed ( I have used both dry and canned)

1 small bay leaf

1 small sprig fresh thyme or pinch dried thyme (I used dried)

freshly ground black pepper, to taste

Directions:

Quarter the peppers, discard the stems and seed and remove the skin with a vegetable peeler (I don't remove the skins)

Cut the peppers into 1/4-inch strips

Heat the oil in a large saucepan over medium heat, then saute the garlic until soft but not brown.

Add the tomatoes, salt and pepper.

Add the chickpeas, pepper, bay leaf and thyme. cook for a further 5 minutes and serve.

IDC, 2cm, triple negative, grade 3, node neg
Laura3
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 59
May 15, 2009 06:34 am Laura3 wrote:

Good Morning.....I was just wondering if someone could explain the reason to avoid soy if you are estrogen positive.  I am fairly new at all of this and trying to make sense of it all.

Thanks and God Bless.  Laura


Dx 2/2009, DCIS, , Stage , Grade 2, 0/0 nodes
kmccraw423
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 2,259
May 15, 2009 07:38 am kmccraw423 wrote:

I have been a vegetarian for over 20 years; albeit not a healthy one.  I am trying to be more health conscious (nothing like the wake up call of bc).  This is a wonderful thread.  I love it.  I am not much of a cook (stove, what's a stove lol) but I appreciate these recipes and the encouragement of others.

For years I thought I hated oatmeal.  Turns out I love it - steel cut oats with cinnemon, sliced almonds and dried cranberries - yum.

I've also heard that the American diet is way overloaded with protein.

I don't know why soy is bad for you either Laura3.


Dx 10/3/2008, DCIS, 4cm, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
celia088
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May 15, 2009 05:20 pm celia088 wrote:

Thank you ravdeb.  the recipe looks yummy!

"May your heart always be joyful, May your song always be sung, May you stay forever young"........Bob Dylan
celia088
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May 15, 2009 05:30 pm, edited May 20, 2009 01:57 AM by celia088 celia088 wrote:

Laura,

There are estrogen-like products in soy (phytoestrogens) that are thought to not be good for estrogen sensitive cancers (ER+).  Here is a page on bco where you can read about this frequently debated issue. (you may have to copy and paste this link.)

http://www.breastcancer.org/search.jsp?searchagain=soy+products+and+estrogen

"May your heart always be joyful, May your song always be sung, May you stay forever young"........Bob Dylan
Laura3
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 59
May 19, 2009 11:03 am Laura3 wrote:

Celia...Thanks so much for the information.  I just finished my first week of radiation and met with my Doctor and a nutritionist.  That was amazing, I had no idea she was a part of my treatment.  She gave me alot of paperwork and good information.  It is definitely a learning experience.  

Thanks so much and I hope you are well...Laura


Dx 2/2009, DCIS, , Stage , Grade 2, 0/0 nodes
FloridaLady…
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,155
May 19, 2009 03:48 pm FloridaLady wrote:

Please read more research on phytoestrogens...there is not REAL research these are harmful for anyone.  There is a thread that goes into good research that shows this is false information. No real research to back this up.

Flalady

trip neg stageIV spread to IBC (2X) & 7 recur's, Treat Alt & Conv
ebby
Edmonton, AB
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 6
May 19, 2009 07:10 pm ebby wrote:

I too am curious as to why doctors advise people avoid it when estrogen receptive, without the research to back it up? I found this website really informative, I don't feed my baby anything soy except right from the bean occaisionally.  Lots of interesting info on this though. 

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/04babyhealth.htm

Still figuring out things day by day. Healing/health supporter.
daisy6
WI
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 388
May 20, 2009 12:51 am daisy6 wrote:

Hi revdeb

Thanks for the recipe, I can't wait to try it.

Chickpeas - SKINNED - that is how they come in canned form isn't it??

I have a humus recipe it is VERY different from yours. 

THANK YOU

Stephanie

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