Topic: H1N1 shot.. what do u think

My docs are adamant that I have it.  My gp has seen it and says it is very hard on the lungs.

60 Minutes is about to do a story on the vaccine. It airs now - 7 PM EST...

Jeez, horrible. I am not going near it!

I emailed my onc as I have an appt this wk with him. He said they do not have it in stock but that I should definitely get it. I am on Arimidex. I will have to do more reading on it.

We are hearing the same thing here.  Most people who think that they have had H1N1 really did not.  Apparently, you will know if you get it.  My doctor is not so concerned about the numbers as she is about the severity of the symptoms for those who do get it. 

deni, I agree that I want to stay away from it.  But how do you do that without staying in your house all winter? 

i wudnt touch it with a 20 foot barge pole.

 you should read what the conspiracy forums are saying about this thing ('abovetopsecret.com').

even if you dont believe it, might interest you to read.

 also apparantly elderberry and curcumin can fix you up if you get the flu; and also top herbal medicine practitioners in china claim to have formulated a herbal cure for H1N1 already.

 does it strike anyone as odd, that a national emergency has been declared in teh usa over swine flu as a 'pandemic' when there have been hardly any deaths - compared to what you would usually expect from the word 'pandemic'?

they seem to be pushing this vaccine on people pretty hard.  my sister took part in a trial for a REGULAR flu vaccine and immediately came down with the WORST flu she has ever had.  she was shaking and extremely ill.  the doctor refused to write down teh side effects she reported cuz he said they could not possibly have been caused by the vaccine.  they also refused to pay her for taking part in the trial until she went in there and demanded her money.

 also this vaccine has mercury in it, which is toxic to humans, even in small doses.  ask yourself: why is mercury in your vaccine?  it doesnt NEED to be in there - they cud have used something safer.

 okay, well my rant is over.  thats my advice.  im not getting it.

I am a type 1 diabetic so I've gotten seasonal flu vaccines for over a decade with no problems.  Last week, 6 days after my bilateral mastectomy, I went to the clinic, drains and all, to get the H1N1 vaccine as well.  Besides a sore leg (i made them do it there), I am just fine.  I was nervous about the shot, so I did ALOT of reading before getting it.

1.  The adjuvanted vaccine in Canada has 1/10th as much Mercury as you'll find in a standard can of Tuna.

2.  THe adjuvant is Squalene (got from sharks but also made by our own livers) and Vitamin E.  The European Community has used this in seasonal flu shots for a number of years without problems.  And goodness knows they are alot more vigilant about food toxicity then here in North America.

3.  The hype about "Gulf War Syndrome" from an associated Anthrax vaccine with adjuvant is apparently an urban myth.  This vaccine didn't use an adjuvant.

4.  Even the unadjuvanted vaccine (which I think is what most Americans are being offered) still has mercury content only equal to that one can of tuna you'll find at your grocery store.  This quantity is well below what both our governments consider safe.  So if the small dose Mercury is going to get us, environmental toxicity will probably do it anyway :P.

I can't comment on the Live vaccine (which kind of freaks me out), as they do not offer that up here.

I hope this helps people make the best decision for themselves and their families.

Cheers. 

Saying no to the vaccine here as well for me and my two daughters.  My oncologist was in full agreement.    You can argue both sides strongly as the facts can be contorted each way.    We have a great protocol of supplements, antioxidants, diet, exercise and hygiene practices that I believe are enough to protect us this season.   I will wait and see what happens with the vaccine this first year but I think the s/e really won't immediately present themselves.

Jennifer

i dont know re: the mercury.  i dont think they should put it in any vaccines regardless of how small the dose is; it all adds up.  and mercury is extremely toxic to the body, not great for your immune system and isnt that sposed to be the point of a vaccine?  so mercury is counter-productive you wud think.

re: the flu shot my sister had.  not sure what it was exactly but it was something they were trialling in australia before it went to the usa. 

SIVANCO

Vaccine's don't lower WBC's - if anything, they might raise them a bit. The reason that people with low WBC counts shouldn't take LIVE vaccines is because they are generally immunosuppressed and could become ill from a live vaccine. There's really no reason why immunosuppressed people can't take a killed vaccine EXCEPT that when the WBC count is low, those who are immunosuppressed may not be able to manufacture antibodies properly - which of course, is the reason for giving a vaccine in the first place.

FAIRYFLOSS

There's usually always a shred of truth that gets blasted way out of proportion in alarmist claims about such things as mercury. Yes, mercury can be poisonous if ingested large amounts. However, eating a large tuna fish sandwich will give you about the same amount of mercury as that found in vaccines.  There's mercury in the food we eat on a regular basis that adds up to much, much more than anyone would be recieving in yearly vaccine with mercury preservative. I read somewhere that albacore tuna averages at least 10 mcg per ounce ...and how many people eat just an ounce of tuna in a serving?? And how many times a week do they eat it. And that's not even considering other kinds of seafood and shellfish.   

BARRY -

Either you misunderstood what you were told, or that person who told you pregnant women, young children or people at high risk should not get the flu shot doesn't know what she's talking about.  The truth is exactly the opposite of what you wrote here. These are the people who are priority target populations for recieving the vaccine. Pregnant women, young babies and immunosuppressed people should NOT get the LIVE virus vaccine, but they definately should recieve killed vaccine - aka "the shot". 

I had mine last week. No side effects at all. I'm flying this weekend and having some surgery. Then visiting my elderly Dad. NOT a good time to risk the flu. For other peoples' sakes as well as my own.

PIP, we do so well with fear-mongering in this country, don't we?

Anne

Even if I wanted H1N1 vaccine I couldn't get it...there are none around here.  My son, who is considered "high risk" due to asthma has what we believe to be H1N1 right now.  He was not vaccinated for H1N1 or seasonal flu this year.  Took him to the pediatrician yesterday and basically she said they have seen many cases and some in high risk kids.  High risk kids seem to have the flu longer than the non-high risk population but they have not seen any of their children critically ill.  She mentioned dehydration is what begins the ball rolling down hill so be sure to keep him well hydrated and to stay on top of any symptoms of his asthma flairing up.   

I had my regular flu shot and today had the H1N1 shot. My WBC

gets low alot and I have always been told to get the flu shot and

it helps me. Good luck, I would rather be safe then sorry.