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Topic: Brain MRI-making me CRAZY!

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  • Posted on: May 5, 2009 05:38 pm
San Diego, CA
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,246
LisaSDCA wrote:

I'm so screwy - I know something inside my skull is going to be improved or it's not. Prayers, petitions to the Lord, wishing on stars (really!), bargaining with my Higher Power, positive imagery - nothing. It's better in the brain or it's not.

My concern is increased by my last month of trial by decadron - a miserable failure. I started April 'clean', having carefully -  oh so carefully and gradually - weaned myself off the steroids. I could say I was cautiously optimistic. Then I noticed speech problems returning, and getting worse by the week. I became nearly mute 10 days ago because of the frustration of just spitting the words out, I could form concepts, I still read with comprehension - but emails (and posts) were a chore to be avoided. I actually started seeing double - like trails. But I'm stubborn - it took my sister to say "Whatever the long-term consequences you fear being on that decadron, I don't have the feeling at this rate, that you'll live to see them."

Wake-up call! Despite my wanting to get an accurate picture on my MRI I started back on the drugs.Then I doubled the dose. Then I doubled the dose again. Finally after about 9 days I was semi-coherent (emphasis on the semi-).

What does this say about the tumor? I can imagine there being a cluster right on my speech center. Or I have 'seeded' them all about my brain. Why doesn't my brain stop swelling? I have waited three (more- tx was 12/08) full months to see some result of tx - why can't I just get a little better? I start the scan about 9pm - that's at night. My oncologist and neurosurgeon (in LA) promise they'll both call first thing in the morning. Suuure - by the time I get past the messaging system, past the nurses - maybe by noon? My imagination is running away with me!!!!

And the damned steroids DON'T help!

Lisa

Stage IV mets to brain 11/2008
Dx 1/24/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-

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jeanne46
CA
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Posts: 1,038
May 6, 2009 05:30 pm jeanne46 wrote:

Lisa - taking a side line here.  How do you make your lemonade?  Do you make a sugar syrup first?

Back to the real issue - I hope you get a call soon.  When I get as frustrated as you are, I either scream and yell or turn into a scared little girl.  Usually the latter.   As for the dog poop - hey, it just rinses off.  The sun's still shining! 

Handle every stressful situation like a dog - if you can't eat it or play with it, pee on it and walk away. Dx 12/2005 Stage IV, Grade 3, mets ER+ PR- Her/2 (2+)
Reneepals
New Haven, Ct
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,155
May 6, 2009 05:40 pm, edited May 6, 2009 05:40 PM by Reneepals Reneepals wrote:

I am someone who works in the system. Kaiser takes weeks to type a report? That's complete bulls***. Petscan/Ct, I can read in our healthcare system on anyone 4 to 12 hrs tops. Biopsy? In the system next day or sooner, very rarely do results being read go beyond a day or two, MRI & CT cans even quicker.They are just giving themselves time to think  about a plan of attack, breaking the news.

Renee
LisaSDCA
San Diego, CA
Joined: Jan 2007
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May 6, 2009 06:19 pm LisaSDCA wrote:

That's what I'm afraid of, Renee, but I'd rather have the news straight. I mean I'm Stage IV - have known it for 6 months, I can take it. Give me the #$!%ing report. I can read it, I can interpret it, I can deduce what the next step is - head and neck anatomy is my field for feks'sake. Each time I get put off by a 'messenger', I remind them that I had the original diagnosis of that blasted tumor in 30min in the ER. SOMEONE can read it to me!

Still I wait.

Lisa

Stage IV mets to brain 11/2008
Dx 1/24/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
navygirl
Bethesda, md
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 411
May 6, 2009 06:37 pm navygirl wrote:

oh Lisa...this is so frustrating for us...I can imagine how it is for you! I wish I could help...I know...I'll crach a guinness for you!

life is short, play hard
navygirl
Bethesda, md
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 411
May 6, 2009 06:38 pm navygirl wrote:

sh*t...I swear, I think I'm typing the right thing then I read back and there is always a word f'd up!

I meant CRACK...crach just sounds dirty!!!

life is short, play hard
barbe1958
Barrie, ON
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 5,194
May 6, 2009 07:11 pm barbe1958 wrote:

HAHAHAHHAA, sorry to laugh at your expense navy, but that's too funny.

I sell furniture and appliances and when I train salespeople I tell them to say "sofa" and not "couch". Couch is just too close to crotch.

Lisa, I have been reading your thread with an aching heart! The waiting it the worst! I'm waiting for results of a CT scan I had last week, but I don't get to see my doc until May 13th! I'm trying to consider this a 2 week holiday from worry.......I wonder if they'll call if there's something bad, but then I have to agree with Renee, that maybe they're setting up appointments and docs....sigh.

You are NOT alone! Great big hugs from ME ((((((((((((((((( LISA ))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Papillary Carcinoma with ITCs and IMLN, Bilateral Mastectomy Dec 16th/08 No re-con. No foobies.
Dx 12/10/2008, 1cm, Stage II, 2/13 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
luvtotravel…
Ludington, MI
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 932
May 6, 2009 07:19 pm luvtotravel wrote:

Go to the hospital and go to Medical Records and fill out a written request for the preliminary report.  They must give it to you if is available because the records belong to you.  I do this every time but usually I have them mailed to me but this is an emergency. 

luv2travel
EGAL
RI
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 468
May 6, 2009 07:52 pm EGAL wrote:

Lisa,

  Big hugs!!! I hope you get the call soon and it is good news!

Ellen

EGAL 10/06 dx'd with IDC Stage 3, 10/08 brain mets
Dx 10/19/2006, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IV, Grade 3, 15/17 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2+
LisaSDCA
San Diego, CA
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,246
May 6, 2009 07:53 pm LisaSDCA wrote:

Dr. Gr. called from LA!!!!

Mixed news - there is a shitload of swelling, as much as I had originally which is a LOT. He said that the function I have is remarkable, but unacceptable. Decadron dose needs to be upped several times, because I'm at risk for seizure ('substantial risk' he said) managed with Keppra which I have not taken since two days after the SRS radiation. Ompramzole needs to be added w/ the steroids. He's ordering a PET/MRI which he doesn't know if it can be done in SD or not. I told him I'm more than willing to travel. THis test is to determine whether it's necrosis or active tumor which is causing my edema. If he had to guess, he'd say it's a necrosis rx.- brain being a closed system and SRS sometimes causing this. We can't rule out active tumor, but he doesn't see more than the one lesion.

You can't be sure without the specialized test, and he said we'd follow that with more frequent MRIs. He'll order this ASAP - and we'll be in touch immediately following. I thanked him for this courtesy!

Thank you so much for bearing with me through this long, arduous day. I don't know what I'd have done - probably committed sepuku. I felt your love and concern from near and afar - support from outrage over happenstance to the soothing voice of reason and reassurance.

Lisa

Stage IV mets to brain 11/2008
Dx 1/24/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
Analemma
Cleveland area, OH
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Posts: 1,712
May 6, 2009 07:57 pm Analemma wrote:

Sigh...... that sounds like pretty reassuring, at least, cautiously optimistic news.

"I come into the peace of wild things who do not tax their lives with
Dx 12/10/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 5/12 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2-
TenderIsOur…
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 4,341
May 6, 2009 07:58 pm TenderIsOurMight wrote:

So glad you received a report,Lisa. I've been thinking and following along here all day. It's heartening to hear the neurologist feels it's most likely known rads necrosis, and has a game plan for its treatment. He'll probably hustle along tomorrow to get you scheduled for the PET/MRI. Any way your sister might come for a few days, until your new med regimen takes effect and the swelling lessens some?

So very touched and humbled by your strength and attitude. A special prayer for you...

Tender 

It cannot be emphasized too strongly that treatment of each patient is a highly individualized matter. (FDA-approved labeling for warfarin (Coumadin) NDA 9-218/5-105)
Fitztwins
MI
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Posts: 7,731
May 6, 2009 08:25 pm Fitztwins wrote:

Yeah for your Dr!

I do the 1-2 punch to sleep. Ativan + ambien...I heard that 4 hours is all you need to be rested. Whoever said that is full of b-sh*t.

I was sleep deprived for weeks when my babies were born.

Lets hope this swelling issue resolves soon!

Wash away my troubles, wash away my pain, with the rain of shambala
Dx 12/12/2004, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 2, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+
sushanna1
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 742
May 6, 2009 08:39 pm sushanna1 wrote:

Lisa--I've been wondering how you were doing. Glad that you finally got the information.  Keeping my fingers crossed that it is necrosis.

Sue

jeanne46
CA
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Posts: 1,038
May 6, 2009 08:53 pm jeanne46 wrote:

Lisa - so glad the doc called and spoke with you.  Am optimistic that the edema is caused from the rads necrosis - and relieved that he's going to move quickly with tests, etc.  If you need some local company, I'll be happy to join you.  Otherwise, I'd take the train with you to LA.  I just don't drive very far.  I'm a menace on the road!

Hugs, Jeanne 

Handle every stressful situation like a dog - if you can't eat it or play with it, pee on it and walk away. Dx 12/2005 Stage IV, Grade 3, mets ER+ PR- Her/2 (2+)
VickiG
GA
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Posts: 535
May 6, 2009 09:23 pm VickiG wrote:

I'm so happy he called you!  Keeping fingers (and everything else!) crossed that it's necrosis... keep us posted.  Hang in there... we're all right there w/ you, every step of the way!

Vicki
Dx 6/9/2007, IDC, , Stage IV, Grade 3, 10/14 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
luvtotravel…
Ludington, MI
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 932
May 6, 2009 10:12 pm luvtotravel wrote:

Lisa,

Hugs and prayers to you and I hope that you are able to get the PET/MRI scan very soon, get the results back quickly and good news.

luv2travel
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Posts: 5,555
May 6, 2009 10:17 pm Member_of_the_Club wrote:

Oh wow, you must be exhausted from all this anxiety and lack of sleep.  I hope you can catch up on your rest while that pesky edema recedes.  I'm betting that is what it is as well.  And blech to your oncologist.  From all of us.


Dx 9/30/2004, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 1/17 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
GrammyNancy…
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Posts: 596
May 6, 2009 10:23 pm GrammyNancy wrote:

Oh Lisa....thank goodness Dr. Gr called....I too am praying for necrosis.  Dr. Gr sounds like he is all over it....try to get some rest....we are here for you.

{{{{{Lisa}}}}},

Nancy


Dx 2/5/2007, ILC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 1/7 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
LisaSDCA
San Diego, CA
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,246
May 6, 2009 10:53 pm LisaSDCA wrote:

My crazy-making tension has dissipated into cautious optimism. I went right ahead and took Keppra, the stomach medicine, and a slug of decadron. That means I won't sleep tonight without aid, but I'm putting Xanax and/or Ativan doses right on my bedside table so I won't have to really wake up after 3 hours.

I felt Dr. Gr. felt he had dropped the ball somewhat, leaving me under the supervision of my onc., who is not the specialist that he is. The first words out of his mouth this evening were "How are you getting along?!?" I explained to him the April debacle and how bad I got before resorting to the decadron again. I had thought if I weaned carefully, slowly the worrisome symptoms would not recur. I felt that my onc had general supervision over this, but Dr. Gr. said "if I had heard you speak I would have gotten the MRI immediately" - and I'm doing relatively well today. It's my fault for not pestering my docs in LA, just following the prescribed scans, waiting waitng. He felt I should get treatment - more hands-on - with the PET/MRI and management of my meds. And he told me "Don't wait to call me - anytime." I will do that.

Pray for necrosis. And pray that I won't get HUGER with the decadron that's now required.

Lisa

Stage IV mets to brain 11/2008
Dx 1/24/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
sjack827
Central , OH
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 436
May 6, 2009 11:00 pm sjack827 wrote:

So glad you finally got some of the answers you wanted.  Glad you got to speak to the doctor and clear up some things.  Happy you feel optimistic and upbeat as compared to  this afternoon.  And PRAYING you get good scans on your MRI.   

dreamwriter…
Toronto , ON
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Posts: 1,587
May 6, 2009 11:32 pm dreamwriter wrote:

Sleeep tonight.  Just sleeeeeeeeeppppppppp

Laugh until it really IS funny.
Dx 12/20/2005, 6cm+, Stage IV, Grade 3, 18/18 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2-
donnajm
Arlington, TX
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 72
May 6, 2009 11:53 pm donnajm wrote:

Dear Lisa,

I have been reading your thread and alternating between tears and anger.  I don't have brain mets and can't pretend to know what that is like.  However, I do react violently with the decadron.  I also have Lupus and noticed that you have Sjogrens.  I think it could easily be connected to that.  It took me 3 years one time to wean myself off the prednisone and I even dropped down to 1 mg.  And then, on top of that you are having to wait for test results that should have been given to you days and days ago?  Do these idiots that we call dr. not know that if we go nuts while on medication that they have prescribed, and do them bodily harm, we are not responsible for our actions?LOL  NOT!!!!!!

I am so sorry that you had to go through this and I hope nobody else on this site ever has to go through something like that again.  You are one strong woman and a great hero in my eyes.  I hope that one day, I can become the warrior that you are.

Love and Gentle Hugs,

Donna


Dx 8/16/2005, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IV, Grade 3, 11/14 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2-
barbe1958
Barrie, ON
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 5,194
May 7, 2009 07:38 am barbe1958 wrote:

Lisa, it was mixed news, but oh so much more optimistic than we were all thinking, I bet! It sounds like your doc has a bit of guilt and now you should be queen of his service. You own him!

Keeping you in my prayers for necrosis. Do not be surprised now that the adrenaline is out of your system that you just drop from exhaustion....sleep, rest, breathe...... 

Papillary Carcinoma with ITCs and IMLN, Bilateral Mastectomy Dec 16th/08 No re-con. No foobies.
Dx 12/10/2008, 1cm, Stage II, 2/13 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
meliaanne
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 758
May 7, 2009 08:00 am meliaanne wrote:

Lisa,

Am glad that there is reason for optimism. And I am furious that you went through the day that you did. Hopefully the new test will be scheduled quickly, and the new meds will help with sypmtoms in the meantime. I continue to be astounded by the insensitivity of the medical profession when it comes to informing us of results. Really, have none of these doctors ever faced medical crises?

Melia

Bugs
MN
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Posts: 1,363
May 7, 2009 09:27 am Bugs wrote:

Lisa,

Praying for necrosis and some sleep.  LOTSA sleep!


Dx 2/1/2006, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, 3/16 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
navygirl
Bethesda, md
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 411
May 7, 2009 10:37 am navygirl wrote:

sooooo, let me see if I have this straight -

brain necrosis = dead tissue - which technically = brain dead? Who'd have ever guessed in a million years all your friends would be praying for you to be brain dead. Only with the journey we know as Breast Cancer could this be possible.

I'm very relieved to hear you got your results and that they have a plan to confirm and attack the problem. I hope you enjoy some stress free living and getting better soon...

((((HUGS))))

life is short, play hard
meima
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 359
May 7, 2009 02:15 pm meima wrote:

Lisa,

What a terrible ordeal you have been going through.  Sometimes you think these doctors just don't get it.  My prayers for better scan results and  healing.  We all feel your pain and frustration.  I also vote for Ambien.  Meima


Dx 8/31/2006, Stage IV, / nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Traci-----T…
Dallas, TX
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Posts: 1,998
May 7, 2009 03:10 pm Traci-----TripNeg wrote:

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Lisa)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Trip Neg BRCA + If I never look behind me, my troubles will be few. Supertramp.
Dx 2/12/2007, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIIb, Grade 3, 0/14 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
LisaSDCA
San Diego, CA
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,246
May 7, 2009 03:56 pm LisaSDCA wrote:

Well. Dr. Gr. called from LA again. He asked how I was feeling and I said more optimistic. He asked if I were taking all my meds, including Keppra. Odd that he would include the anti-seizure medicine first. I assured him I was.Then he said he was waiting for the final report and my heart sank.

There's another tumor in my right temporal lobe - and it's not 5mm, not 8mm - but nearly 1-1/2 cent.

That's the further risk of seizure. He said he would encourage WBR radiation for this one so anther one doesn't pop up. I disagreed, saying this one is only a single lesion and I've got residual problems with edema as it is with the first treatment. He said I have I a point, there.

So, he's ordered the dedicated PET/CT for the brain MRI here in San Diego, and I will go up to to LA for the MRI, mask and treatment. My experience is that it's 3 weeks, but I told him time was of the essence.

phooey.

I've got all those calls I had to make last night and gave them the slightly optimistic news and give them the BAD news.

Yes, I asked for the written report.

Lisa

Stage IV mets to brain 11/2008
Dx 1/24/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
MissShapen
VA
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Posts: 6,195
May 7, 2009 04:24 pm MissShapen wrote:

Oh no, Lisa. This is surely not the news anyone was hoping for. I am so sorry... Freakin' cancer. Why can't it just curl up and disappear?

I guess all you can do is move forward and keep trying to kick some serious bootay. I will pray for guidance as you make the next decisions for treatment.

Love you, Lisa!

Miss S

"Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle."
Dx 11/9/2006, IDC, <1cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, 7/31 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+

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