I received a call today no parents want. My son's teacher called and wanted to know what was going on at home. He is very angry, acting out, anxiety issues, stress, you name it. He is ten, smart, sweet and tries so hard. He is so messed up and I did it. I am not a good stay at home mom, and having cancer does not help. His grades started out this year shockingly bad. DH and I started to ride him hard about his grades and yes we know he can do better and pushed him to do so. Well now he is struggling with self control issues and overreacts every time he gets a bad grade. His grades actually have improved but he can't see it. He has no self-confidence. He also does not believe anything I tell him . I could say he is doing great and I don't think he hears it. I don't know how to help him. I am afraid if I say anything I will make it worse. Maybe we need family counseling I don't know if DH will go for it. I have a call into the pediatrician for some guidance but I don't know how to help him and DH is against any kind of meds like anti anxiety. He believes we can work it out. I feel lost. I am sure my son feels lost and at the same time I can't just say do your best and walk a way because he will do the minimum and say that is his best.
I know many of you have had issues with your kids. I just feel like every one else has it together and I am the only one failing miserably. It has been a bad few months and I am not even on chemo.
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RobinWendy Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,283 |
Nov 4, 2009 12:41 pm
RobinWendy wrote:
I wish I knew what to say to you. I, myself, am a great believer in counseling. I really believe your son needs an outlet for his feelings and a therapists office could provide him with that safe place. My dad was not a great believer in therapy, so I had to wait til I got to college before I could get the help I needed. Perhaps you can talk him into it. I hope things turn around for him. Don't blame yourself. It is extremely difficult to be dealing with this disease and feel like you are doing a good job with your family. Also, even when my daughter was little and I was a single mom, I thought I was doing a bad job and I was healthy. Luckily for me, my mom was my greatest cheerleader and convinced me that I was a good mom. Now my daughter is 23, out of college and working and living in NYC... a well adjusted young adult. All is not lost with your son. Robin dx Stage II primary BC in Jan. 2001;dx with DCIS on other breast in Jan. 2003; dx with mets to lungs in Jan. 2004 (What's up with me and January, anyway?)
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X3sMom Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 96 |
Nov 4, 2009 01:22 pm
X3sMom wrote:
Patti, you're not alone. Kendra's (Times3) son is 10, on meds for ADHD and had his first anxiety attack last week on the school bus. They had to take him to the er because his heart started racing and other symptoms. After all the test the doctor dx it as a anxiety attack. Then, yesterday his teacher wouldn't let him go to the bathroom and said something to him negatively and he had another one and the school counselor was able to talk him through it. Kendra is checking her insurance and the phone book to find a counselor who can help him deal with his mommy being sick alot and the fear of losing her. We don't know what else to do either. My parents divorced when I was 10 and I know how fragile the mind is at that age. I pray for peace and wellness for you all. Blessings, Glenda Glenda
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Member_of_t
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 5,555 |
Nov 4, 2009 01:39 pm
Member_of_the_Club wrote:
I've all sorts of crises with my kids through the years so let me say this too shall pass. Your son needs help but help is out there. First of all, have you ever had him evaluated for learning issues or ADHD? The bad grades may reflect that. Even if he's done well in the past, work becomes more abstract at this age and there is an increase in demands, so if he has such an issue he may have been able to compensate in the past but can't anymore. Hitting that kind of wall can easily cause both anxiety and anger. As for anxiety, cognitive behavioral therapy can be really helpful for the kids this age -- its a short term, focused form of therapy that teaches kids how to handle anxieties on their own. Finally, these could all be signs of depression as well, so if you can have him evaluated by a pediatric psychiatrist that would be a good idea. This is absolutely not a sign of bad mothering, or I and most of us would have to be considered a bad mother. Sometimes the only we learn abut brain differences or emotional issues in our kids is when they get pushed to the wall. This is his biology speaking. While he may be experiencing stress from your illness, if he is predisposed to this sort of thing it would have happened eventually with something else. The point is that rather than blame yourself (you are a great mother) the best thing would be to call in professionals and solve the problem. You can do this. Diagnosis: 9/30/2004, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 1/17 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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thenewme Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 126 |
Nov 4, 2009 02:07 pm
thenewme wrote:
Oh Patti, I could have written those exact things a few years ago!!! My son is gifted and sweet too, and always did great in school until 5th grade. He became just as you're describing and I felt terrible too! Maybe part of it is the age thing ... and maybe hormones and peer pressure, etc. Do his teachers and/or school counselor know about your situation? If they know about the situation, hopefully they'll be able to better help him deal with things. Your comment about him doing the bare minimum really hit home with me, and I sure wish I knew the answer!!! I too feel like I'm the one failing miserably! Obviously you're a great mom or this wouldn't bother you so much! Try to cut yourself some slack and just hug him. Tell him how much you love him, no matter what. Keep reaching out to him and to the pediatrician, therapist, teachers, church, etc. Is he involved in other activities or hobbies that he really enjoys and can really be successful at? Does he have good friends? Do you get a chance to have good one-on-one time with him? Hang in there!!! Good luck, and please let me know if you find anything that works!! I'm still struggling and mine is almost 15 now! Diagnosis: 11/2008, IDC, 5cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 0/9 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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pattih Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 185 |
Nov 4, 2009 02:27 pm
pattih wrote:
I think there might be ADHD issues but I know he is not autistic he has been tested twice and both times came up 0 or 1 on the Autism spectrum scale. He does fine in scouts and with guitar and recitals. Friends are ok, none close but he is not athletic or sports oriented and that isolates him. It is just rough. We are going to back off on the grades and pressure and hope that helps and i have a call into a child psychologist. I don't think the one at school is very good and I do not want him pulled out of classes to see her. I think he is self conscious enough. My sister ( 3 boys ages 11 - 19) said it was going to suck until he was in high school. Great! MOC - you have a point I think he is predisposed out this type of behavior. None of us know what to do though. And usually after I do something I find out that may not have been the best approach. I can not rely on my childhood as how things should go that is for sure. So I am in the dark. Hopefully I can meet with the psychologist and then maybe my son can too and learn coping strategies. Diagnosis: 10/12/2007, IDC, Stage IV, mets, ER+/PR-, HER2- |
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Fitztwins Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,731 |
Nov 4, 2009 04:06 pm, edited Nov 4, 2009 07:03 PM
by Fitztwins
Fitztwins wrote:
Honey, you are not a bad mother!!! repeat. Not bad. We have to take off our super-hero mommy/cancer fighting cape, and realize there are some things we can't fix with our little guys. We started out the school year okay. The twins (just turned 9) in different classes. 2 weeks into school it started. My son Jimmy complained about headaches and tummy aches. Tears every day when I dropped him off. I just want to stay with you mom. I want you mom. He has been sleeping on the floor in my room almost every night. He has trouble falling asleep sometimes. He has been very emotional. Crying at every little thing. Then he then told me the other night that he thinks he has a problem. I asked him what kind of problem? he didn't know but compared himself to an autistic child in the class. I said he wasn't like this boy. He has always been a little behind in reading. Well the rubber has hit the road in 3rd grade, and my boys are feeling it now. The reading delay has become obvious. The school is wonderful and we are reading every night. I digress (that could be a new post!) I tried all of my 'mom' tricks in my bag. Talked to other moms. My DH was NO HELP. He thought 'yelling' at him to get over it was going to help? WTF??? I had anxiety as a child. Bad. Still do. It was so bad some mornings I would come to work in tears.I was ready to slip him a xanax in his morning cereal!! I worked with the teacher and the school counselor. Both were sympathetic and 'tried' to help, but useless. When I met with the school counselor, she brought up the fact that Jimmy mentioned my cancer. I LOST it. I cried and cried. I could not stop. Was it me?? that was causing him to have issues with school? Is he afraid I am dying. Did he over hear something?? Well, Thank goodness I have a outside counselor I used to take my nephew to when he lived with us. My SIL brings her daughter there and my BFF brings her kids there. We call her the child whisperer. I posted about it on my carepages website. People have been coming out of the woodwork telling me about their kids (boys usually) at this age that have anxiety issues. I was told that boys enter into the macho/man/ I am stronger/faster/smarter then everyone else. The ego at this age has become more aware and compare with others. Jimmy lacks confidence too. So, (I know this is a novel)...turns out so far that it was a playground thing. A subtle bully type thing. I talked to the teachers (different class), they talked to the boys. The boys in question ended up playing with him one day. Jimmy came home and said X is my friend now. My Jimmy isn't crying anymore, no headaches or tummy aches. (sounds like a Seinfield episode...Jimmy isn't this..) It isn't over. We are still seeing the counselor. DH is taking him this weekend because I will be out of town. Good experience for him. Honestly, we will stay with the counselor. I think eventually, should I get sicker or enter hospice, they will need her. All of them. DH too. So, you are not alone, nor are you a bad mom. I think that my son will suffer anxiety all of his life. It is my job, while I can, to make sure he has the tools or good drugs (just kidding) to handle life. hang in, Janis Wash away my troubles, wash away my pain, with the rain of shambala
Diagnosis: 12/12/2004, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 2, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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ccarter4881
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 132 |
Nov 4, 2009 05:08 pm
ccarter48818 wrote:
Janis, what a great post. I have 4 sons and you gave fantastic insight and advice. My older boys, (men) actually are 26, 23, & 22, but I also have a 14 year-old who was only 10 when I was diagnosed. I feel so guilty that he has not had the "normal" childhood that his older brothers had. He has seen my fear and meltdowns on a pretty regular basis for the last 3 1/2 years. I know he is afraid for me but he expresses his emotions with anger and disrespect towards me, especially when he hit that 13 puberty age. Problems, problems, they are always there. Carla Diagnosis: 3/3/2006, IDC, 3cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 4/4 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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Bugs Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,363 |
Nov 4, 2009 05:20 pm
Bugs wrote:
Janis, I'm so glad things are resolving with your Jimmy. I agree with your comment about 3rd grade being a year of change for boys. My DS's 3rd grade sucked. It was an awful year for him. Diagnosis: 2/1/2006, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, 3/16 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- |
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Member_of_t
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 5,555 |
Nov 4, 2009 08:22 pm
Member_of_the_Club wrote:
Patti can you ask the school to do a formal evaluation for learning or developmental issues? And if he has ADHD, is he on medication? My daughter has ADHD and was doing fine in school but having horrific meltdowns when she got home. She was working so hard to keep it together that she just couldn't when she got home. Medication gave her the ability to focus like everyone else and completely turned things around. Bit it sounds like you have a resource at the school to start with, so thats good. Diagnosis: 9/30/2004, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 2, 1/17 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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donnabee Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 227 |
Nov 4, 2009 11:32 pm
donnabee wrote:
Pre BC, my daughter basically had a melt down as a senior in highschool. I think that growing up is just harder now than it was when we were young.In fact many of my daughter's girl friends, in their early 20s now, are just drifting, having melted down in highschool just like my daughter. My point is that I KNOW I did a lot of things wrong. In bad times I am sure that my poor decisions, bad judgement and unfortunate timing heaped the stress on her. When I'm feeling more charitable to myself, I know that I did the best I could. I can only imagine how rough it is to be raising young children while fighting this horrid disease. But still I worry about my daughter who is a young adult now. Give yourself a break Patti. Take the great advice of others on this post regarding using the schools resources and private resources if you can and must. But save the blame for this awful situation for bad luck, a convergence of wild planets, or an unknown plan of the Almighty. Your best is all you can offer. And it WILL be enough. -- hugs, donna From time to time even a blind squirrel finds a nut
Diagnosis: 2/9/2009, IDC, 2cm, Stage IV, Grade 1, mets, ER+/PR-, HER2+ |
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mason204 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 484 |
Nov 5, 2009 04:18 pm
mason204 wrote:
My first thought when I read your post is "are you sure it's the cancer" that's causing him to "act out"? My daughter is 10 and is a tom boy. All her friends are boys. I've known these boys since kindergarten and I hear many moms discussing the same issue as you. Some kind of "trigger" seems to go off in boys at this age. Hormones? He is considered a pre-teen now. Some boys seem to be harbouring what they think is a "deep, dark secret" that they feel they can't confide in their parents. It might not even be fears about your cancer but could be something completely different (a bully perhaps, worry about school stress). Do you have a Gilda's Club in your area. They run programming for children to discuss issues such as self-esteem, coping skills, dealing with stress, etc. A friend of mine did take her son to a therapist and he eventually confided stuff that was so far off what she thought was the problem that surprise didn't even come close to the emotion she felt. You will get through this! Cheryl. Cheryl - Mets dx Aug/06 (lungs, liver, bones, abdomen)
Diagnosis: 12/23/2003, IDC, 5cm, Stage IV, Grade 2, 4/10 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ |
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LuAnnH Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,741 |
Nov 6, 2009 12:13 am
LuAnnH wrote:
it is hard enough for kids to start hitting puberty let alone to hit that stage with a mom having cancer. I'm with others that mentioned counselling. I had two of my four in counseling at different points in their life. My husband died when my children were younger. His death was at the same time as my breast cancer and that really took a tool on my children. My two older ones ended up in counselling at different times and did really well. I think the best part was they understood no matter what they told the counselor, that they would not tell me what was said. They really vented to this person and helped them work through some of those feelings they were having and life goes on. Those two kids are doing wonderful today, one is going to school for her masters degree and the other one is in the military. So I would help him find an outlet that he feels safe with. For the record, you are NOT a bad mom! A bad mom would not have picked up on the fact that there was a problem! LuAnn -- www.luannsblog.typepad.com
Diagnosis: 7/2/2006, IDC, 2cm, Stage IV, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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pattih Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 185 |
Nov 6, 2009 02:25 pm
pattih wrote:
I have an appointment scheduled next Friday for an initial consultation with a psychologist for son. Just parents meet first. Nothing can be fixed overnight but I hope this helps we had another call from the principle today. More anger and outbursts and tears. He is an emotional mess. Thanks for your insights. It helps more than you know. Diagnosis: 10/12/2007, IDC, Stage IV, mets, ER+/PR-, HER2- |
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LuAnnH Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,741 |
Nov 6, 2009 07:20 pm
LuAnnH wrote:
Good luck, just listen to your son about this guy. I had to go through a couple of counselors before I found one my son liked enough to work with. No point in wasting money! I hope this does the trick for you son though! I just had another thought though, do you have an organizations that have activities for children whose parents have cancer? Sometimes those help also! LuAnn -- www.luannsblog.typepad.com
Diagnosis: 7/2/2006, IDC, 2cm, Stage IV, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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lukejessesm
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 20 |
Nov 7, 2009 09:31 am
lukejessesmom wrote:
don't blame yourself. i'm sure he is afraid of losing his mom. kids today have so much pressure and everything is fast...they want everything "now". He is probably wanting his mom well and he has no control on making that happen. I have two sons, 14 & 12, and they found their father dead in April 08. 6 mo. later, I was diagnosed staged iv @ initial diagnosis. I know my boys are scared and they have every right to be. I am 52 years old and have very little family left, but I just pray that I will be around to see them grow up. It's out of your control, but you can not blame yourself. Hang in there! |
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Kellke Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 112 |
Nov 11, 2009 08:07 pm
Kellke wrote:
When my cancer came back I did a lot of things to prepare my family in case I can't be here more than a few years and one was to interview counselors for my daughter. (another was to clean out cupboards but that has to be another thread about dumb things I do) I decided which one was the least odd and had common sense and could work with small children and adolescents and hired her. I have only taken my kiddo two times so far but will continue to go 1-2 times per month and she will let me know if she feels my daughter needs to come more often especially if I get sicker. I know my husband will take care of her and love her but she is a girl and needs someone to help her point out to dad what she needs. As we all know, men can be clueless! I know it may not ease all her troubles but it makes me feel like I am doing something and some days that is what I need to know... Kelly Diagnosis: 4/17/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 40/40 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2+ |
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