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  • Posted on: Jul 2, 2008 06:28 am, edited Jul 2, 2008 08:15 AM by charmed-imsure
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charmed-imsure wrote:

Hi, new to this forum so hello to everyone.

I am worried sick. I'm 32, never been pregnant & periods normally regular (I'm actually infertile). At 17 after coming off the pill, I started to get a leaking (only with pressure on the nipple) in both breasts which was a white/yellow colour, I've had it ever since. My breasts are very large & extremely lumpy but I check them regularly & I can't honestly tell whether there's any changes because they constantly change week by week through my cycle.

In the last 2 years my periods have become irregular, I missed 4 months without any explanation 2 years ago & last year I missed 2 months with no explanation & I'm now missing another one. About 2 months ago I thought I felt a new lump in my right breast but I chose to ignore it because I checked it daily & sometimes I could feel it, sometimes I couldn't. I now have a brown discharge coming from my nipple & I'm so scared & feel so stupid for ignoring the temporamental lump that's there.

There's no history as far as I'm aware of any kind of cancer in my family. My mother went through early menopause (hers started at 34 & by the time she was 40, her periods completely ceased). My Aunty (her biological sister) has always had complications with her cycle & not long ago apparently had a breast cancer scare although nothing came of it.

I have a doc appointment tomorrow morning & I really don't know what to expect or if they'll take this as serious as I'm taking it? I'm just very scared & don't know how to deal with this. I can't see it being 'nothing' as I'm sure the human body wouldn't act this way if nothing was wrong.

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amberyba
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Jul 2, 2008 07:20 am amberyba wrote:

I can understand how scared you must be. hang in there!

my doctor says all discharge that is non spontaneous is O.K., I have had a discharge for 4 years that is green but only happens when the nipple is stimulated. Even after diagnosed with invasive ductal carcinoma, the surgeon said it was benign discharge..

and usually if the lump comes and goes that is a good sign of benign. but it is good to be on the safe side...I had a lump that sometimes I couldn't feel, but yet it was cancer

You just never know if a lump is trouble or normal, so in getting it checked out you are going the right route.

something that kept me somewhat unworried was that "innocent until proven guilty", I knew my chances were higher for breast cancer because of family history, One positive is that your family history is good.

God Bless,

Amber

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Dx 2/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
charmed-ims…
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Jul 2, 2008 07:36 am, edited Jul 2, 2008 08:21 AM by charmed-imsure charmed-imsure wrote:

Thank you, I've just been reading other people's posts too and I've spotted something that seems to be a symptom which I would never have thought of as a symptom. Some people have said they experience itchyness. I've been having itchy breasts only for a few days, no rash, but the itchyness is on both breasts & sometimes I get pain around my right side sort of where the bottom of my breast line is but not actually in my breast & I also get pains in my left armpit similar to a pinching sensation but I get that following a hot flush. The pain in my side I assumed was catarhh (I think I've spelt that right?) because I am a smoker Frown. The itchyness I've assumed is from my bra but now I think I should mention it to the doctor???

I also have a 'pulling' sensation in the upper right part of the breast that's leaking this brown discharge. I ignore that because I assume it's something to do with my cycle & breast tenderness, but I've missed my period now & have had no symptoms of it coming on either. The pulling sensation is around the same place as I found the 'come & go' lump... Should I mention this or is that something quite normal? The lump is there again now, I found it again yesterday & today.

julz4
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Jul 2, 2008 09:13 am julz4 wrote:

Charmed ~ Please mention anything & everything about your breast issues. If the Doc. dismisses your issues Go to another Doc.. Until you find 1 that takes you & your breast issues seriously! Remember no ? or symptom is dumb on this board. A lot of what you are saying raises red flags for me. But I'm no expert by any means on what your going through. Follow through with your appointment please!  I'm sure someone will come through soon with more info for you! Know that we are here for you!  Please keep us posted!

Julee
leaf
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Jul 2, 2008 09:21 am, edited Jul 2, 2008 09:25 AM by leaf leaf wrote:

Mention everything to your doc.  It may or may not be relevant, but you are worrying about it.  The most common presentation of breast cancer is a painless lump, but different women have different symptoms.  Remember, most times its benign.

Anything can happen on your breast that can happen on any other part of your skin. 

Hormone changes can change how your breast feels. Normally, people don't have hormonal changes that originate with breast cancer when they are first diagnosed.  

 You are obviously paying a lot closer attention to your breasts because you are having issues.  That is natural and good. I'm sure you are going through some stress, and that can change your menstrual period.  

Cancer is something that does not shrink and swell every few days.  It is uncontrolled growth. Most breast cancer has been in the breast for some 6-10 years before it is big enough to be detected by any means.  So a delay of several weeks/months usually makes no difference.

But breast cancer does not read academic journals or this support group, and can sometimes act differently than it normally does.  So its good to get it checked out.

Hopefully, everything will be fine.  The only way to get these issues sorted out is to see your doctor.  If you were a randomly selected 30 year old in the general population, your risk of getting breast cancer in the next 10 years is something like 1: 251. 

Waiting is horrible.  Some women find distraction helps. We are here for you. Feel free to ask questions or vent. 

If you're going through hell, keep going-Winston Churchill
charmed-ims…
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Jul 2, 2008 09:38 am, edited Jul 2, 2008 10:20 AM by charmed-imsure charmed-imsure wrote:

I think I need to mention I am in the UK & I've spotted that this website seems to be US based & our doctor system works differently here. We can see our own doctor but we can't go to another doctor surgery for 2nd opinions. We can see a different doctor within the same practice but they tend to back eachother up. A bit pants really but that's the joys of our NHS service! (It is a good service really, I shouldn't mock it).

When I first had the breast discharge I was 17 & mortified when I saw it. I went straight to the doc & she told me it was a perfectly normal side effect of coming off the pill so I've never thought twice about it. It has taken on several guises over the years, sometimes in my life it's been clear, sometimes yellowish, sometimes green & sometimes grey but it's never been dark brown, that's a new thing & I'm sure it's only happened in the last 2 months because I regularly check & the last time I did check the nipple area was 2 months ago when I found this new lump. It was still yellowish (creamy yellow) then.

This seems really all quite surreal. Is painful/stiff/achy neck any kind of symptom? (The lump is completely painless btw)

Charmed-Imsure
leaf
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Jul 2, 2008 10:20 am, edited Jul 2, 2008 10:24 AM by leaf leaf wrote:

If you want a paper that shows the chances of nipple discharge being breast cancer, here's one.

This is from the Mayo Clinic. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18005783 

In Dr. Love's Breast book, she says it can be almost any color.  

Here's two more with different breast symptoms.

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12000140

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12552991 

Of course you are scared. Anybody would be scared.

It is good that your are getting this checked out. 

I have never heard of neck issues being a symptom of breast cancer. The vast majority of women who are getting these symptoms checked out are worried/scared/etc. We would be worried about you if you weren't.

We're here for you. (Sorry about the different colors in my post. I have Safari as my browser and I haven't figured it out yet.)

If you're going through hell, keep going-Winston Churchill
charmed-ims…
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Jul 2, 2008 10:30 am charmed-imsure wrote:

Thank you so much all, leaf, I've now read all of those. I don't actually have any pain at all in my breasts except the normal tenderness around a week before my period is due. I get this pulling sensation but it's not what I'd call pain as such, I don't double over or grab myself where it hurts, it's hard to describe but anyone that has that will know what I mean I think.

I'm so grateful for your responses & support. I'm sure it'll be OK, my Grandmother has sent me an email to confirm that she knows of no biological relatives on her side that have ever been diagnosed with cancer. She said she had something similar when she was younger but the discharge wasn't brown & it was after she'd had children, from what I can understand, I see that's normal, but not necessarily if it's brown!!!

I have to say - I cried when I spotted this (it was only Monday), I'm actually not that worried now after being on this site because it seems that any info I read about this, even from the NHS in the UK, it all points towards something benign anyway. It's very strange to feel terrified but not worried all at the same time!!! (I think the thought of an operation scares me more!)

Charmed-Imsure
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Jul 2, 2008 11:10 am, edited Jul 2, 2008 11:21 AM by charmed-imsure charmed-imsure wrote:

I've just done a silly thing now - I'm not the greatest health conscious person as I smoke & I do enjoy a couple of glasses of wine with a good meal. I eat well as in, healthy, I never cook in fat unless it's extra virgin olive oil & I don't add salt to anything (not out of being health conscious, I just like food that way) & I don't/can't overeat. I don't exercise that regularly because I work from home & spend on average about 10 to 12 hours a day on my businesses which involve sitting in front of my computer.

In the last 14 months I've gone from 10 stone 7 pounds to 11 stone 6 pounds. I just keep putting on weight which I then put down to being 'content' as the cliche goes (I met & fell in love with my gorgeous partner 14 months ago). I last weighed myself before my holiday to Spain (31st May 08) and I was 11st 6lb. I've just been to the bathroom & was curious so weighed myself & I'm now 10st 12lb. I've seemingly lost 8lb in about a month but done nothing at all to make that weight go. I haven't lost any weight at all in the last 14 months, I've only ever put on. Now I am worried. Is this some kind of symptom because I really don't exercise. All I've really done exercise wise in the last month is take my car to be inspected & I left it there & walked home & collected it a few days later & that walk both ways mounted to probably less than a mile...

Editting because I do recall weighing myself when we got back off holiday on 7th June & my weight never changed - I'd expected it to go up because the food we had in Spain was very fatty)

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leaf
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Jul 2, 2008 01:15 pm, edited Jul 2, 2008 01:32 PM by leaf leaf wrote:

I can see you are a worrier like I am Smile.  I remember my teacher saying that if anybody figures out what causes hunger and weight, they will win a Nobel prize.  

Unexplained weight loss is a sign of advanced cancer.  But there are so many, many, other reasons, known and unknown, to have weight loss.   According to this site, there are over 1500 different causes of  weight loss. http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/symptom/ unexplained-weight-loss.htm

Even ***IF*** you have breast cancer, the majority of women who get breast cancer will die of some other cause. My grandmother got breast cancer in the early 1950s.  This is before the age of chemos and radiation.  All she had was mastectomies. She lived another 20 plus years and died of an unrelated cause. Treatment is light years better now than it was then.

About 70% of women who get breast cancer have *no* obvious risk factors for getting breast cancer other than being a woman.  Age is a major risk factor.  You are considered quite young to get breast cancer.

 I know its very hard not to go to the 'worst case scenario'.  We all want to be ready for whatever is ahead of us on the road. 

You will worry until you are through with worrying. Worrying will make sure you don't miss your appointment.  Waiting and worrying are just plain horrible. 

Some women find distraction helps. I couldn't do anything I enjoyed, but I managed to do things I hated.  

If you're going through hell, keep going-Winston Churchill
charmed-ims…
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Jul 3, 2008 07:24 am charmed-imsure wrote:

Well all - I nearly chickened out of my appointment today because I suddenly had a rush of dread knowing I was going in alone, but I went. How is this for typical - anytime I've ever been to a doc for anything, I will guarantee that whatever symptom I have will disappear until I get back home! It happened today. This morning there was barely any fluid there but what was there I swabbed on to a cotton bud to show the doc just incase it completely vanished when I needed to show it. Now I'm back home the fluid is back!!! Didn't matter, I told the doc I was concerned that I have brown fluid & I can now feel another lump beneath the areola, she wasn't really interested in seeing the swab I took, she instantly referred me to a (OMG) Breast Cancer clinic. I should have an appointment through by this time next week.

Now I really am scared. She wasn't particularly interested in any other symptom except my now missed period. She asked if I had any history in the family of cancer & I confidently said no, but that didn't bother her too much either. I'm glad she's on the ball with it & I didn't have to put up a fight for a referral, but because of her speed in doing the referral just by me saying 'brown fluid', it's now scared the living whoopsies out of me...

It's my Grandmothers 79th Birthday today & she wants to know how I got on, what on earth do I tell her??? Cry

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charmed-ims…
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Jul 3, 2008 09:16 am charmed-imsure wrote:

Now I really am worried - I've already got a hospital appointment. I onyl went to the doctors 4 hours ago! Appointment is 14th July & they said they will do all the tests they need to do plus probably give results there & then.

Now, our NHS service is usually pretty slow & you can expect to wait a good week or two before you hear anything about an appointment so the speed of this is scaring me so much.

Anyway - fingers crossed it's all ok.

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leaf
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Jul 3, 2008 03:32 pm, edited Jul 3, 2008 03:34 PM by leaf leaf wrote:

Of course you are scared.  This would be a scary time for ANYBODY.

But you got through it!  You not only got there, but you planned ahead and brought evidence of the brown fluid.  You are one resourceful woman!  

Does your Grandma know about your appointment?  If she knows you were having some breast problems, and you don't want her to ask more questions, then you can try saying in a calm voice (even if you don't feel that way), something like 'They're checking it out.'  and changing the subject. People are taking nonverbal cues from you.  If you act worried, then they will too.

 Of course, we're crossing our fingers for you.  As the studies I posted say, the odds are certainly in your favor. Its natural to worry.

We're here for you.  Feel free to vent. 

If you're going through hell, keep going-Winston Churchill
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charmed-ims…
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Jul 4, 2008 09:20 am, edited Jul 4, 2008 09:21 AM by charmed-imsure charmed-imsure wrote:

I'm now wondering whether I should bother with my hospital appointment. My breast yesterday after the doc appointment started putting out the brown discharge again but not as much (probably because it's been squeezed to death!) & today, the discharge has gone a disgusting kind of orange/yellow/red type fluid/puss. It's sticky when you rub it between the fingers. I'm thinking that because the colour is wearing off from being dark brown, does it mean that whatever it is in there causing itis wearing off now? So should I cancel my appointment?

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12954
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Jul 4, 2008 10:07 am 12954 wrote:

Go to your appointment. You were concerned- your doctor agreed it should be checked out ,do it. How relieved will you be if they tell you its nothing to worry about. Worse case - it is something you need to know so you can treat it. Check out your concerns

Nichola
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Jul 4, 2008 10:13 am Nichola wrote:

Hi Charmed

I'm from the Uk and have just read this thread and wanted to add this:

.  It is perfectly normal under the NHS guidelines to get an appontment with the breast clinic within a week.

.  Under no circumstances should you cancel your appointment.  Any breast abnormalities should be throughly checked out for their cause.

.  Is there any possibility you could be pregnant?  My friend lost weight the immediate couple of months after she got pregnant ... so it is possible.

Let us know how you get on!


Dx 11/28/2007, 1cm, Stage IIIb, Grade 1, 0/10 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
charmed-ims…
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Jul 4, 2008 10:20 am, edited Jul 4, 2008 10:27 AM by charmed-imsure charmed-imsure wrote:

I suppose thinking logically, if it were an infection, surely it wouldn't be brown in the first place? Surely I would get pain? I've no pain. But now I know the 'goo' is there, I squeeze pretty much every hour or so to see if it's still there. It's sort of orange/yellow/red so that's bloody isn't it?

I think I'm starting to get scared now properly. I did a pregnancy test yesterday because my period, once again, is missing. It was inconclusive, there was a feint mark in the test window so to be sure, I did another this morning (I am supposed to be infertile) and it came out without doubt negative. So the thought of possible pregnancy has taken my mind off this.

Surely to God a breast wouldn't just give out dark brown secretion for no reason? And then turn wierdly orange/yellow/red? My doc asked if I'm still gettting periods, what a strange yet somehow relevant question considering my period has stopped... how can that be relevant to a possible breast cancer?

(edit) Nichola, Hi, your response came up before I got to post mine and again, how strange you ask if I'm possibly pregnant? I've just signed up to Macmillan website btw. I'm infertile but I've taken 2 tests, one came out with a feint line in the test window, this morning there was nothing so I can only assume the feint line is an error. I have to say though I've had other symptoms that are relate to pregnancy but they could just as well be in my mind. Can't see how pregnancy would give me brown discharge in my breast. There seems to be a possible early menopause in my family history though & I've seen only one sentence that suggests a brown secretion can be part of early/normal menopause

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Nichola
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Jul 4, 2008 10:35 am Nichola wrote:

Hi Charmed

I know this is hard, but trust me I'm from a medical family and you MUST STOP squeezing your nipple!  It is not uncommon to have a changing coloured discharge as we get older, and is not a usual sign of Breast Cancer. 

So, stop squeezing, get it checked out and remember the odds are firmly in your favour!

Nikki 


Dx 11/28/2007, 1cm, Stage IIIb, Grade 1, 0/10 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
charmed-ims…
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Jul 4, 2008 11:07 am charmed-imsure wrote:

Thanks Nichola Laughing

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Jul 28, 2008 10:06 am charmed-imsure wrote:

I lost this site from my favourites & have been wanting to post an update.

I went for an ultrasound & they couldn't find anything, by this time anyway the discharge cleared up on it's own. They sent me away with "If you get any discomfort or it comes back, you must come straight back in to see us". The consultant did say my breasts were very 'nodular' so she wasn't surprised that I could never tell if a lump is worth a worry or not. Anyway - all is fine & thank you so much everyone for so much support.

Sometimes things really aren't what you imagine them to be!

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Jul 30, 2008 12:48 pm Timtam wrote:

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