Hi everyone..I'm having to do this in two weeks and I'm terrified. I already had the stereotactic and had calcifications removed with one spot and it was b9. This second spot could not be reached so now I'm having this other procedure. I've heard that the wire placement is extremely uncomfortable. Can anyone let me know if theirs were bearable. Thanks so much. Dawn
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FitChik Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,817 |
May 4, 2009 04:10 pm
FitChik wrote:
Dawn...My wire placement was quite painful and that's because I wasn't given any anesthesia. In retrospect, and especially after hearing from all the ladies here, I realized that I could and should have checked with the doctor beforehand and insisted upon a strong anesthesia, one just like what they use for core biopsies. I didn't feel a thing with my various biopsies and wire localization can be just as easy. So make sure that you speak with whomever has decision-making power and can write the orders for a strong anesthetic. Then you should do absolutely fine. ~Marin ~ Well, I can't change the wind, but I can adjust my sails! ~
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leaf Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,944 |
May 4, 2009 05:44 pm
leaf wrote:
I did a survey here back in 2006, and this is what the poll showed:
People who had injectable anesthesia before the wire insertion (I assume this is usually lidocaine), and: a) had pain <=4/10: 19 people (50% of the total people) b) had pain >4/10: 7 people ( 18% of the total people) People who did NOT have injectable anesthesia before the wire insertion and: c) had pain <=4/10: 3 people (8% of the total) d) had pain >4/10: 9 people (24% of the total). I know this isn't a scientific poll, but its the best I could do. I was told (in MY facility) they couldn't give me any fentanyl (i.e. any opioid) during the wire insertion because they didn't have RNs attending the radiologist; they just had a radiation tech. But you see in this poll that over half of the people (58%) had a pain of <=4/10. I wasn't one of them, but I didn't have injectable anesthesia beforehand either, like Marin. In addition to Marin's wise words, I would add: if I was going to do it over again, I would also clear with the doc how I was supposed to communicate with him if I had pain. They tell you 'not to move a muscle'. For me, personally, I knew if I would have said I'm in pain I would have cried, and if I cried I would have moved. (People are different about this, of course.) I would have preferred a nonverbal cue, such as ringing a bell or dropping something on his foot. But the MAJORITY of people in this poll taken here did NOT have severe pain. If you're going through hell, keep going-Winston Churchill
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waynab Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 11 |
May 4, 2009 08:15 pm
waynab wrote:
Dawn - I had a wire guided excisional biopsy last month for microcalcifications (they were very close to my chest wall). They did inject me with lidocaine and I did not feel a thing - just a little sting from the injection. In fact, when I looked down at my breast, I was so surprised to see the wire sticking out! I didn't watch the procedure and so I didn't know what they were doing and was shocked when they told me they were done. They took several pictures to be sure the wire was correctly placed but the whole thing from start to finish took about 20 minutes. I hope your experience is as good as mine was. Glad to hear your first result was B9 and here's hoping and praying your next result is too. Good luck! |
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encoremom Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 77 |
May 4, 2009 08:34 pm
encoremom wrote:
I also had a wire guided excisional biopsy with lidocane. They also gave me something to relax me before the insertion. Unfortunately, my surgery was delayed and the "relaxation" wore off before my surgery. If that hadn't happened, I would agree with waynab. The fear of it was actually worse than the procedure itself. Dx 8/8/2008, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- |
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sammy21 Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 7 |
May 4, 2009 08:35 pm, edited May 4, 2009 08:36 PM
by sammy21
sammy21 wrote:
Dawn - pain differs from person to person. Usually a needle (wire) localization shouldn't be that painful. Make sure you get lidocaine and hopefully they add sodium bicarb to it. This will take the sting away. Once you are numb, that's all you should feel is pressure. Areas that are close to the nipple and very dense breast tissue are more painful. The procedure is quick as long as you don't move. The area is marked, kind of an x marks the spot, so you have to hold still. The tech will take approx. 6 images. Don't worry, you shouldn't have a problem and they go a lot faster than a core biopsy. Once the wire is in place, it is usually secured by tape or gauze. It has a hook at the end so it won't pull out. You can't take any strong meds because you have to be awake to cooperate. And the reason some docs don't use the lidocaine is that they feel they are giving 2 needle sticks - 1 for the anesthesia and 1 for the wire placement. Good luck, you'll be fine. |
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AlohaGirl Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 87 |
May 4, 2009 08:45 pm
AlohaGirl wrote:
Dawn, I had a wire inserted for my lumpectomy. They told me that they couldn't use painkillers (perhaps because I had the lumpectomy under general anaesthesia). I found the tight compression from the mammogram more painful than the actual insertion of the wire. The procedure hurt, but the folks in radiology used an ice pack to numb the skin a little and their supportive demeanors made the experience OK. For me it wasn't too bad. Definitely a tolerable level of pain. I think once you get below the skin there aren't a lot of nerves (I don't know that for a fact, that is just my theory). Good luck to you! Dx 2/18/2009, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/0 nodes |
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dm1991 Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 13 |
May 4, 2009 09:00 pm
dm1991 wrote:
Thanks to all of you for helping me feel better about this whole thing. I feel like I've been on an emotional rollercoaster for about three months now. I'm just wanting this to be over already. Thanks again, I'll be sure to ask about getting Lidocain to help. You ladies are a godsend. I'm getting it done May 15. Please keep me in your thoughts. Dawn |
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awb Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,761 |
May 4, 2009 09:16 pm
awb wrote:
my wire localization wasn't painful (numbed up really well before hand), just a lot of pressure. The hardest part was just staying so still for so long, like having a prolonged mammo in sitting with my head turned to one side. I could see the wires sticking out, but couldn't feel them, and was taken into the OR within the hour. Anne "I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds the future"
Dx 9/5/2003, LCIS, Stage 0, 0/0 nodes |
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JulieC Joined: May 2008 Posts: 242 |
May 4, 2009 09:19 pm
JulieC wrote:
Hi Dawn, my experience was similar to AlohaGirl's. The worst part was sitting in the chair while clamped in the mammo machine with my neck at an awkward angle. I had a lidocain shot and didn't really feel too much. There was an odd sensation when the radiologist placed the wire, but I don't know if I would call it pain. The weirdest thing was having the styrofoam cup taped to my chest over the wire so it wouldn't get bumped. We're talking high tech, baby! It is easier to go through any procedure if you know what to expect. Keep coming back with any more questions that you have. Take care - Julie Dx 3/25/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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deborye Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,433 |
May 4, 2009 09:34 pm, edited May 4, 2009 09:37 PM
by deborye
deborye wrote:
Hi Dawn, Are you having the dye injections? That is not fun, other than that, there was no pain. Julie, I had a paper cup, LOL NEVER GIVE UP/NEVER SURRENDER
Dx 3/23/2007, IDC, <1cm, Stage Ib, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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floridian Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 121 |
May 4, 2009 11:06 pm
floridian wrote:
Hi - Don't worry too much. The wire localization was no big deal. They used a mammo machine with a little window in it, took a film, developed it, came back and put the wire (tiny) in with local anesthesia and then confirmed with another mammo. You stay in the machine the whole time but they didn't compress as much as usual and the window helps. Also, they gave me a chair to sit in so it really wasn't that uncomfortable at all. I was awake for my surgery - a fairly sizeable lump at least in relation to the rest of me ;). I really had no pain at all. Just a little stinging. They gave me a vicoden after but I only nibbled at it and hid the rest in case I needed it which I didn't. I used lots of ice to keep the swelling and pain down - peas actually. Have several bags on hand. I was a little surprised by the core biopsy I had before and I think it was mostly that I was unprepared and didn't know what was going to happen so I hope this helps ease your mind. I took my iPod and played games on it while I was waiting for the surgery so I wouldn't think too much and chatted with my "neighbors". I read somewhere a study in which they gave gameboys to kids before surgery and they had much less pain. I really believe this. Bring something to distract you if you are a worrier like me. (dense breasts, fibroadenomas, duct ectasia, apocrine metaplasia and undiagnosed lumps)
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pk0199 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 463 |
May 4, 2009 11:24 pm
pk0199 wrote:
I had this procedure too. Like others, you feel the compression from the compression paddles. When the rad inserted the wire, he said I would feel pressure, I did, then he adjusted it, a bit more pressure, but no pain. I had no analgesics or topicals. I then had to travel about 30 min to another hospital for my surgery, pretty much felt nothing. The thought of having a wire sticking out of you in my opinion is worse than the procedure itself. I will admit, I knew the radiologist who was doing the wire loc., have known him for years, which could be my advantage. I just feel sometimes we have to trust and have faith in these people who are doing these procedures that they are competant and all will be okay. I know I will get a lot of flack for that as I know there are many incompetant people out there too, but trusting these people make it easier for me to relax and these procedures hurt a lot less the more you can relax. Have faith and trust. All the best to you. Dx 9/23/2008, DCIS, 2cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+ |
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sterling Joined: May 2009 Posts: 3 |
May 9, 2009 10:25 am
sterling wrote:
Hello all, I too am having this procedure this Thursday and I must say I am scared out of my wits. Thanks for posting the comments it really helps. Wish me luck. I will post my results later. Sterling |
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cleomoon Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 351 |
May 22, 2009 04:14 pm
cleomoon wrote:
I am having this procedure on June 5th. Does it require stitches? It took me about a week after my stereo to get back to normal lifting etc. I am curious how the recovery time compares to a core biopsy. Also wondering about size of scars? |
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