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Posted on: Jan 3, 2011 03:23 PM, edited Jul 28, 2011 09:03 AM by bluedahlia

bluedahlia wrote:

Thought I'd add mrmojorisin in there somewhere.

Let's try this again. 

Life is made up of differences. Let's explore these differences, learn from them and accept them.

Now "Don't stop till you get enough"!  I love Michael Jackson too!

We don't always see things as they are, we see them as we are.
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Dec 4, 2012 02:42 PM 1Athena1 wrote:

Here is Turner again - one of my very favorites. He is a few decades after the Romantic period. This is Rain, Steam and Speed (I think)

Also from Turner,

An earlier work of Turner's, Ivy Bridge, does follow the Romantic bucolic style described above:

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Dec 4, 2012 02:46 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 04:12 PM by 1Athena1

Now to the United States. It was HL: who first brought up the Hudson River School. This is a movement that is in some ways paralell to the European Romantics in its glorificaion  of nature and man at his most basic, but it has the unique American surprise of capturing a landscape that had not been seen by the vast majority of people. There was still much open land in the US. There was not the same feeling of nature disappearing. There was, instead, a yearning for adventure. Here is Winslow Homer's rendition of the Hudson River:

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Dec 4, 2012 02:56 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 04:13 PM by 1Athena1

But Sunny had me thinking of fog, so I here digress to show y'all some, IMHO, memorable and moving depictions of fog. Interestingly, Monet has some of the best depictions of London fog:

Here is his Waterloo Bridge:

Here is the superb American Thomas Eakins:

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Dec 4, 2012 03:01 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 03:54 PM by 1Athena1

Now that we are getting to the late 19th century, and the French are so well known, how about some American painters. Let's see some Mary Cassatt, perhaps the most prominent of American Impressionists:

To me, she goes beyond just impressionism and often reminds me of Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec, that famous French bon vivant who preferred to spend his time with prostitutes and cafe society rather than his stodgy aristocratic family:

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Dec 4, 2012 03:03 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 06:34 PM by 1Athena1

I can never look at that painting by Toulouse Lautrec without thinking of this one by the very different but equally troubled Van Gogh. This is his atelier:

Probably my favorite Van Gogh there. If I see more of his sunflowers I shall scream. They have been so over-promoted.

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Dec 4, 2012 03:08 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 07:06 PM by 1Athena1

Speaking of cafe society - the type that had invaded Paris in the late 19th and early 20th century, Renoir, not one of my personal favorites, nevertheless has a memorable painting that really captures that era :

Here is Le Moulin de la Galette:

The reason why I probably tie the two has to be because of this Toulouse-Lautrec masterpiece, At The Moulin Rouge:

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Dec 4, 2012 03:24 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 03:58 PM by 1Athena1

Man, every time one thinks of art one leaves so much out....and what about architecture. That is another fascinating subject....

A final note. Notice how off the proportions are in Van Gogh and Toulouse Lautrec. It is their unique brand of impressionism and expressionism. Their view of this topsy turvy but highly energized world. In Van Gogh's case, no doubt fueled by his mental illness and in Toulouse Lautrec's, by his life. Notice, too, the richness of the color. There is not that intent to so faithfully reproduce forms as you see in the landscapes. Nor is Leonardo da Vinci's perspective even paid lip service to. The emotion with these two artists is very individual. In the past, painters expressed a school or a way of thought, often, in France, regulated by the Academie. But those ideas had gone as out of favor as petticoats and ths was a new reality.

Speaking of casting off convention, final one.....a Dadaist work - Dadaism, a movement roughly coinciding with WWI --and not a well known one-- fairly posits that capitalism and bourgeois values led to war. It is an anti-war movement:

Max Ernst:

Marcel Duchamp:

Below, German Expressionism (roughly contemporary to Dadaism). One of my favorite movements in both painting and literature.This is by Ludwig Meiner, also post WWI, also a reaction to the horrors of that war (and the chaos whiich followed in Germany):

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Dec 4, 2012 04:40 PM, edited Mar 5, 2013 12:28 PM by Belinda44

Wow, very cool to come home and see all this gorgeous art work. 

You mentioned architecture. I hope to go to Barcelona someday to see Gaudi's work.  Just breathtaking:

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Dec 4, 2012 04:41 PM Belinda44 wrote:

Chickadee, congrats on the boring bloodwork!

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Dec 4, 2012 04:44 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 04:45 PM by 1Athena1

Ohhhh - Belinda, Gaudi is one of my favorites.

PS: I am taking myself back to art 101 too. Also remember buying a hugely expensive book - lol!

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Dec 4, 2012 04:44 PM Belinda44 wrote:

I know we're not supposed to talk about politics (hope this doesn't get deleted), but just google Bob Dole.  Saw the news a bit ago and felt so bad for him today.  Disgraceful what happened on the senate floor.  And that's all I'll say about that!

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Dec 4, 2012 04:45 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 04:48 PM by Chickadee

Wow Belinda, so beautiful. The mosaics I should add.

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Dec 4, 2012 04:47 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 04:49 PM by YramAL

I agree Belinda. It was disgraceful. 

Edited to add-isn't it nice, though, that we still have lots to talk about, even without politics? 

Mary

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Dec 4, 2012 04:51 PM, edited Mar 5, 2013 12:29 PM by Belinda44

Yes, so much to discuss!

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Dec 4, 2012 04:54 PM 1Athena1 wrote:

Gaudi on the inside:

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Dec 4, 2012 05:16 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 05:17 PM by River_Rat

Chickadee, Congratulations!  Boring is beautiful.

Belinda, yes I am looking forward to the movie.  I loved the play and sometimes I don't like the transition between play and movie but I think I'll like this one.

Athena, I only took a few college classes and Art 101 wasn't among them.  I am enjoying your class.  Edited to add: Thank you!

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Dec 4, 2012 06:06 PM Kam170 wrote:

Art 101?  This is more like Art 442.  My appreciation for your art appreciation skills are off the chart.  I would like to learn more about the appreciation part...what are you seeing that I'm not - I assume that is what you learn in those sorts of classes.

Gaudi on the inside? That's what is going on inside of this church?  I was in Barcelona and probably saw this place, but the only memory I have of that day was bumping into someone (from the other side of the globe) on a lonely side street that I had just mentioned to my partner, hours earlier.  My appreciation for the mathmatics of coincidences is higher than art and architecture, it seems.

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Dec 4, 2012 06:08 PM Kam170 wrote:

OMG RM...the offer.

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Dec 4, 2012 06:19 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 06:21 PM by 1Athena1

Kam -lol! I am an egghead in general, but love of art was something that was bred into me growing up. I was dragged around the museums of Europe from a young age. It is also a love of mine and I never forget what I hear, see or read about it. Same with architecture - and history. I did not major in either. I majored in English and Political Science. Funnily enough, I have this annoying habit of forgetting the plot of books I read. Head in the clouds. I will remember, say, a metaphor on page XVIII (prologue!) but not the bloody ending. You do NOT want to be me - you want to stay NORMAL! I have this annoying habit of thinking differently from others on really crucial things.

Re: other areas, I appreciate physics and maths now more than I used to as a child. Recently finished a book on the history of zero, and have read lots of Stephen Hawking.

Gaudi - we need a primer on architecture. There is so much I want to see in that regard.

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Dec 4, 2012 06:39 PM, edited Mar 5, 2013 12:30 PM by Belinda44

Athena, I'm no egghead and since chemo my memory has gone downhill.  I just know I like what I like, if that makes sense. 

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Dec 4, 2012 06:40 PM 1Athena1 wrote:

Speechless....another of my faves. It saddens me that I have never visited Chicago.

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Dec 4, 2012 07:55 PM Enjoyful wrote:

I have to interject this - what in the bloody HELL happened on the Senate floor today? What could possibly justify any "no" votes on a disabled persons treaty? Is it a knee-jerk reaction to the UN? Or a gigantic jerkity jerk reaction to anything at all? How do these naysayers survive with a head full of compost?

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Dec 4, 2012 08:01 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 08:02 PM by Kam170

Eee - I don't totally know myself, but am curious. I just saw this man wheeled into his former house and then betrayed by his "friends."  It was the saddest thing I've seen on tv since Jeff had to put Monkey to sleep (and I was balling at that one).  I'm not making light of this, honestly.

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Dec 4, 2012 08:05 PM YramAL wrote:

Many news sources are saying it's a knee jerk reaction to the UN. Bunch of idiotic, paranoid jerks if you ask me. 

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Dec 4, 2012 08:32 PM Chickadee wrote:

Um...er.......Kam.......I think you mean "bawling" at the time.

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Dec 4, 2012 08:36 PM Glenna_E wrote:

Chickadee, so happy for boring results! Have loved the art lessons though I'm feeling pretty ignorant. I'm one of those who may like a work of art but can't really tell you why. Same with a glass of wine. LOL!

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Dec 4, 2012 08:38 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 08:39 PM by Kam170

Chickadee - lol...maybe I did, maybe I didn't.

(I'm laughing so hard, my Ms Boo thinks I'm crying....she always comes when I cry..to comfort me.)

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Dec 4, 2012 08:46 PM, edited Dec 4, 2012 11:17 PM by juliaanna

Athena, you are one great docent.  I'd go to art museums with you anytime.  You have refreshed my soul.  Thank you.  I appreciate the back story of the artists and the artistic movements. As many of you have mentioned, I like looking at the pictures, too. 

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Dec 4, 2012 09:19 PM YramAL wrote:

Here's a picture of my grand-dog, Annie. She had an intestinal bug last week and had to have an I.V. She wouldn't stop licking the I.V. spot and it got infected. Hence, "The Cone of Shame". She's pissed. Tongue Out

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Dec 4, 2012 09:37 PM notself wrote:

Bob Dole, in his 90's, goes to the Senate floor in a wheel chair to ask the Senate to vote for the rights of disabled people world wide and his former colleagues give him a slap in the face because of their ignorance and fear of the United Nations.  What a shame.

YramAL, That's quite a look on Annie's face!  She is one upset dog.  After that collar comes off, I suggest you keep your shoes out of reach.

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