ObamasPresidentWeWon

Nic- SOS isn't equal to the VP. Biden would still have power over Hillary, although she'd report to Obama. Biden might be in the position of being a go between with Hillary and Obama and delivering his message to her during times when Obama was focusing on other things. Biden has far more foreign experience than Hillary, having served in different chairmenship capacities over his years as senate. Hillary does have the personal relationships that Biden doesn;t have with some leaders from her days as first lady. The SOS position is probably the highest cabinet member, particularly in times of war, although the secretaries in the finance area will be quite prominent in the months to come. I agree that Obama is surrounding himself with the best of the best and showing his confidence by appointing strong personalities. He said during the campaign he wants people who will disagree with him and she's not shy about doing that. I hope my fears are unfounded and that she's the best SOS we've ever had.

summer- Palin was asked by the cameraman if she wanted to move and she said it was fine. I'm sure she'll say it was a set up at some point, like the prank phone call, but I think this is just a case of her being out of touch with what most people find palpable on tv.

g- I laughed when I read your comments because I used the term "attention seeking whore" all the time (not just for Palin). The term can apply to men and women.

laura= what is up with these republicans who have no sense of the impact of their words and the timing of those words. Talking about airports when you were arrested in one and it caused national jokes? Talking about civility at a turkey farm vs. brutality of politics with turkeys being slaughtered in the background? Come on, the republicans have better people to offer than that, don't they?

g- my hate for Palin grows with each passing faux pas. I'm not a vegetarian, I love meat, but I don't like watching my dinner die or thinking about that. Maybe that makes me a bit of a hypocrite, but at least I'm sensitive to animals. Remember that picture of palin with the dead, bloody bear and Piper looking over it?

blaest- I agree that as a whole, democrats are kinder and more generous than their republican counterparts. If we look at the types of ads that have run in the past elections, attacking character vs. policy that's quite apparent. We can look at democratic agendas of strengthening lower and middle class families, providing health care for the un and underinsured vs. republican's cries of socialism. Democrats have supported affirmative action to help bring a more level playing field to minorities and he underrepresentative and women have benefitted from this as much as blacks. Republicans want these same minorities to get over it and move on, as if the day women got the right to vote and  the day civil rights became law everything became equal. Republicans have fought to keep the old white christian boys network going. Obviously not every dem or repub feels this way, but as a whole I believe democrats and kinder and more sensitive to the needs of all than republicans.

RM- If someone wants to talk to blaest or anyone else, a PM would be the best way rather than going onto a thread where one has previously causes problems. That to me is troll like behavior.  I doubt the republican thread would appreciate if I did the same thing to one of their participants.

blaest- I agree with your political points, but when you use the term whining like a little girl, you play into gender stereotypes with which I disagree.  Whining isn't female specific and I think that your point loses it's significance when a statement is seen as biased.  Most of the people on this board are decent people. We can't let a few rotten apples spoil it for all of us and giving them attention just seems to fuel their fire.

Let's all keep this thread pro Obama and pro democratic agenda without getting into arguments with the other side.

On the off topic subject of why Sarah Palin just doesn't get it, have you all seen the disgusting video with her at the turkey farm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-kjM1asH-8 ? She pardons the turkey and then in another shot, talks about how politics is brutal and she's glad to be back among nicer things with turkeys being slaughtered in the background?????  She was told by the camerman that this would be in the shot and said that it didn't matter? Not for the squeamish-- but this woman is so out of touch it's frightening.

live- where did you get those pictures, they're wonderful.

grace- I'm willing to give Dashle a chance and hope that his beliefs have evolved over the past decade. Remember Jocelyn Elders advocating masturbation and the right wing going bonkers LOL. She was way off saying it might decrease AIDS because most people want to be able to do both, and they don't settle for masturbation.

Re: the bail out. I still think consolodating the car manufacturers would be a good idea and turning the other 2 plants can be turned into the green manufacturing I suggested a few pages back. What if the government asked people like Buffet and Gates to temporarily buy start up the new car company, American Cars, they could pick the best and the brightest of the employees, buy the models that are green friendly and making a profit and let the others fail. I agree with linora on spending money on improving mass transit. I think we do need to have some American auto manufacturing in this country, for national security, and because some people will always need cars like doctors who are on call, people in rural areas where having public transportation wouldn't be cost effective etc.

bush is a freaking moron. He's also signing acts so that scientists can't use environmental concerns as a reason to stop drilling etc. He's such a sleaze bag. What the hell was Laura thinking when she married him? She definitely married down.

Happy birthday marin!

Thanks laura- keep me posting anything else that comes up in case! From what I understand this was a no brainer, because these challenges were filed before the amendment was allowed on the ballots and the court basically punted and refused to hear them until after the bill was voted on.

Lin- I don't think any of us who support keeping leiberman in his position like or respect him. Someone said if Obama is reaching across the aisle to republicans and wants to build a "
team of rivals) ala lincoln, it'd look bad to exclude him.

I'm all for legalizing MJ, particularly for medicinal purposes.

what do you think about the leaks?  I don't know whether this if A necessarily equals B, but these leaks did start with the Rahm Emanual's appointment.  I think the leak proof campaign mode needs to be implemented ASAP.

And lastly, on the just desserts front...

Even if this is just a nuisance thing, there's no one more deserving of it.

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - A resident of Gov. Sarah Palin's hometown has filed a complaint against her, saying she broke Alaska ethics rules.

Zane Henning of Wasilla says Palin improperly held national television interviews from the governor's office about her unsuccessful run as the Republican vice presidential nominee.

Henning says Palin promoted her future political career on state property

The governor's office says Palin was not a candidate at the time of the interviews.

Henning's complaint, filed Tuesday, asks the Alaska Personnel Board to investigate his claim.

Ethics complaints are confidential unless their targets waive confidentiality or allegations are found to have merit.

Oh definitely. I think we should all meet up! Are you staying with friends?

did- I'm planning to go bar a blizzard. What exactly do the tickets entitle us to? I heard there were several hundred thousand tickets, so that leads me to believe... not much. LadySuz and her mom and daughter are going too.