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  • Posted on: Nov 12, 2007 01:22 am, edited Nov 12, 2007 01:22 AM by karen1956
karen1956 wrote:

I had bilat with expanders on 3/1/06.  I  hated the expanders as they were so uncomfortable and they were also asymmetrical.  For almost a year, I wore tops a size too big.  Exchange surgery was 3/23/07 - have mentor high profile 300cc gel implants. All was well for the first month. BC radiated side moved too much and had a revision on 7/23/07. This side has moved again - but not as much as before, but they are no longer symmetrical.  I don't wear a bra - PS said I could stop last month.  Now the bra won't be uner the one implant and on the other one - not real comfy!!! I don't go back to the PS for 2 more months and I don't really want to see my PS sooner.    I have an appt with another PS about one week before I am to see my PS in January to get a second opinion.  Not sure what i am looking for with the second opinion PS - is it for her to say, heck these are fantastic, get over it!! or to say, yes, they are not right and this is what I can do.  when I talked to her office ane mentioned that I may want to take them out, they said I would not be happy.  I'm sure no PS can imagine a woman being happy without breasts.  Well, I did not choosed to give up my breasts - BC make that decision.  but to be honest, the implants are not breasts!!!!  I just don't like them.  In clothes I look okay - but I hate to look at myself naked in the mirror.  Well long story short.  Has anyone had their implants taken out?  I know if I do that, I can not go down this road again due to radiation. But I think I will be okay with that.  Other recon were not discussed by my PS - I am too thin of lat flap, but not really sure that I would even want to endure some of these procedures.  But back to my question - if you had done expanders then implant recon - has anyone had the implants taken out?  If so why?  And are you happy with your decision.  Thanks so much.  Karen in denver

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AnneW
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Nov 12, 2007 09:57 am AnneW wrote:

I'll be interested in the responses, too, Karen. I'm a month out of bilats with expanders, and not in the least enamoured with what's going on. I know I need to be patient, patient, patient.

But I also know that if this time next year I'm not happy post exchange, I'll be looking for an alternative, too.

I'm not one who looks back with regrets, usually, but I'm kinda wishing I'd held out for DIEP/SGAP. Time will tell.

But I do believe there are women here who've had the implants removed and gone ahead with DIEP.

Anne

Anne
Dx 9/18/2007, ILC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Nov 13, 2007 12:17 am iodine wrote:

I cannot add a lot here except to say that I was totally unhappy with my first recon and lift. 

I saw 3 ps for consults and all three offered things they could do to make it better.  NONE would say that it was a "bad" job.  No doc will ever make that comment about another surgeon's outcome.

In fact, the question I was asked  most was, have you discussed this with your original surgeon.  Well, YES>  but the guy wouldn't listen.

I did find a great ps who listened and we redid the expander and another implant and added an augment to the good boob.

I had a good out come;

AnneW--there comes a time during everyone's expander experience when you want to rip the expanders from your body and throw them down the disposal to be shredded to peices!  I even called my first ps and demanded mine be removed and the exchange take place or I was going to have a local surgeon remove mine.  (OK, I was really tired of the whole process and worn out with no sleep)  Fortunately, they were used to hearing these complaints and didn't send me off to the local mental health center. 

But just know that most come to this feeling at some point.  I hope it goes very well for both of you.

Dotti---BE NOT AFRAID, Pope John Paul
SLH
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Nov 13, 2007 01:59 am SLH wrote:

I've been reading the conversations under "Alternatives to Reconstruction" for the last few weeks trying to get up the nerve to deconstruct. There are a lot of women who seem very happy going without breasts. And it makes more sense in terms of being able to check for lumps coming back.

I did the bilateral/expanders/implants 2 1/2 years ago and have had tight muscles, and pain in my neck and shoulders since the expanding process. It was the only procedure the drs thought would work with me because I'm thin, but I didn't know about Alloderm, which might have lessened the amount of muscle stretching. I would not have the TRAM operations. The loss of muscle seems so extreme.

I feel like I've lost myself in order to have a superficial body type. I've never been about cleavage, or boobs, and yet I've been in pain for two years trying to keep this body. But I know I had to go through this or I would have always wondered.

If the implants are taken out, is the muscle slack and drooping down? I would want nice straight scars on a flat chest. Is that possible after reconstruction?

sally

hi5
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Nov 13, 2007 02:36 am hi5 wrote:

I too had bilat with expanders and exchange...will be getting nipples next month.  I switch ps because the first one had my expanders so asymmetrical it was awful.  The next one had to even it out and it was a lot of work.  Surgery was 9 months ago and still sore.  My 'breasts' are much smaller than my original ones were.  ( not that I could afford to lose them!) and the tumour side where I had rads indents when I move... apparently it's because of the muscle...anyone else noticed that? 

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Nov 13, 2007 07:31 am, edited Mar 19, 2008 01:01 PM by TenderIsOurMight TenderIsOurMight wrote:



Sally,

I'd think there might need to be some touch up done by your plastic surgeon after removing the implants, which expanded the skin. The implants actually are known to make the pectoralis muscle very thin, almost like compressing it, and muscle is not typically removed. But some skin removal to try to make the chest wall "flat", yes, that may be needed, imo.

Hi5,

The radiation causes atrophy, or loss of pectoralis muscle, and so while the implant is placed behind it, there surely is not much there in some cases, to cover the implant and with motion, what you describe may occur. Some plastic surgeons place alloderm in the lower part of the pocket to minimize such movement.

Tender

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Erica
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Nov 13, 2007 08:32 am Erica wrote:

Sally,

I think Tender is right--if you had your implants removed, the PS could remove any excess skin and generally tighten up the area. I had bilaterals with no recon and asked my breast surgeon to make them as cosmetically pleasing as possible. So, I have a nice flat chest, no extra skin, and symmetrical incisions. Since you'd be working with a plastic surgeon, who's even more skilled at good cosmetic results, I can't imagine a reason he couldn't leave you with a pleasing (though flat) chest. I hadn't been aware of the muscle-flattening effect of implants, but my muscle seems extremely thin and it isn't a problem.

Best of luck, whatever you decide.

Barbara 

http://breastfree.org
karen1956
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Nov 22, 2007 09:19 pm karen1956 wrote:

Just bumping this up. Thanks for everyone's responses.  karen

Karen in Denver
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Nov 26, 2007 03:23 pm Wendy wrote:

Karen,

I had my bilateral mastectomy back in Aug. this year. I'm currently fighting with my ins. co. to get them to pay for me to go out of town to get DIEP flap surgery. However, I have to say that for the most part, I don't miss my boobs.

I am 50 years old, single and unattached. I hope to be attached some day, so I'm too chicken to stay boobless. I am probably wrong about this, at least I hope I am, but I think even the men out there I deem good enough to be my boyfriend would be turned off by my mastectomy.

That said, I have no promise that I will ever meet anyone that would become a life partner. If it's just me and me alone, I like the flatness. I like not being "boob-forward". I was a large C and this is quite a change. My boss was astounded to hear me say that I wanted to end up smaller than a C when this was all over. I wonder what she'd say if I told her I kind of liked not having breasts. I miss them for their sexual aspect, of course. I miss my nipples, but after 3 months, I don't miss them as much as I thought I might. 

If I lose every appeal to get the DIEP flap surgery, I may consider having the extra skin from my skin sparing mastectomy removed and just remain boob-free.

I like the way t-shirts fit on my new, flat body, but I don't like the way my pot belly sticks out - it seems so much bigger now without the boobs to augment the size, hee hee.

Good luck making your decision. It's best to think hard about all of your options.  And take your time, if you can.

cheers,

Wnedy 

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Nov 26, 2007 03:54 pm Calif-Sherry wrote:

My boob job has been a disaster.....  I originally had one breast removed 12/06 and then the other 3/07.  They look awful.  One looks like a regular breast; the other sits up so much higher like a lift.  I have since changed ps and the new one asked me what was the other ps thinking.  At any rate, the new ps says it will take TWO surgeries to make the reconstruction close to matching.  The problem is...... I just don't feel like more surgery.  I'm tired of it.  But, I wear a bra so they will look somewhat even.  Without a bra, good God.

And, to think, if I were in an intimate relationship, I don't know what I'd do...  sigh...

Sherry.....
Binney4
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Nov 26, 2007 04:12 pm Binney4 wrote:

Karen, have you checked out the www.breastfree.org website? It was set up by our own Barbara ("Erica") and offers lots of information about living with unreconstructed mastectomies. Some of the women's stories there are about their "deconstruction," so that might be helpful. Best wishes for a comfortable and contented outcome!

Binney 

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Nov 26, 2007 04:34 pm lady4law wrote:

Wendy

I sure know what you mean, especially about the pot belly. I though I had a small pot belly before loosing my breasts but now, even with the expanders in, my stomach seems to stick out more than my "boobs" (or what ever we call them at this point).

I also wanted breasts because I wondered how my dh would respond to me without them. He keeps telling me, I look great. However I know in my heart he is just saying that to make me feel better One look in the mirror is all I need to make me feel bad. I had a skin saver mast also, and have big bunches of skin, lumps and 7 scares on my upper torso, thanks to this surgery. (The path report following surgery stated no cancer...gee I am going thru all this for nothing)

Wendy, follow your heart. If you find Mr Right, he'll love you with or without breasts...OR he's Mr Wrong.

Jean
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Dec 2, 2007 11:37 am karen1956 wrote:

Binney - yup I did  look at breastfree.org.  I saw another PS the other day and loved him..Sure wished I had used him the first time round.  He feels that it is too soon to do anything such as taking them out or putting smaller implants in as its only 4 months since the last surgery and that I am still healing both physically and emotionally.  But I do think he heard what I was saying. He did rec that I do nipple and aerola.  I left his office thinking, yup I will do it (that was thursday afternoon), but now I am not sure.  I think what I really want to do is put in small implants, maybe low profile (I have 300cc high profile) go to 250cc and then once that heals do the finishing touches. But for now, I am doing nothing.  He feels that I should definitely give it more time before I deconstruct and befofe I go that route to try the finishing touches.  I just hate the way my chest feels when i am out in the cold - it feels like a vice grip on my chest - PS said it is from muscles contracting.  Don't know if it would do this without implants or not.  But this PS thought things looked pretty symmetrical, but can see why I don't see it that way - the prophy side sits very different from the BC radiated side.  Well, Thats about all for now.  Not having a good day, so think its time to get dressed and get my mind of off BC.  Hugs, karen

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