Hi,
I have been reading through a lot of these postings looking to find some hope.
Just had a billateral mastectomy with abdominal trans flap, do to reoccuring IDC, Triple Neg on March 8th.
My right breast had a lot of skin dying do to previous radiation. After some trimming and stitching, we managed to get that to heal now.The bigger problem is the abdominal area. The skin is dying, my ps went back in and trimmed it all up and restitched some of it,now I have two deep holes I have to clean and pack twice a day.
Things just seem a little hopeless right now, because everything is falling appart quicker than we can fix it.
Is there anyone who had the same problems that can tell me how long it took them to get the holes to close up.
Thank you!
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anniebelle Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 455 |
Apr 30, 2008 04:21 pm
anniebelle wrote:
Hi, I had a lat flap with previously irradiated boob, I didn't have any tummy stuff done. I had to get a "patch job" with skin from my stomach. I drove my poor ps crazy trying to get this skin on my boob to heal on its own....had pot holes there!!! Oh boy, can I relate to the treatments, 4x daily with the hydrogen peroxide around the edges and the bacitriacin that I literally gobbed into the pot holes. It took three or four weeks before I gave up and said let's go for the patch job. In and out surgery and a very quick recovery. since they've already used your tummy, is there another donor site they can "borrow" some skin from? What about skin grafts like they use for burn victims or something else? Surely your ps has some ideas he has up his sleeve! We prev. irradiated ladies are a real challenge, I remember feeling the same way it seemed at times an unending battle just to get to point A in the entire recon process. You will heal, you will get there, your ps must have some answers, so share with him how you feel and I know he should be able to move things along. good luck, this will end! hugs to you annie When you get a chance to sit it out or dance....I hope you dance!
Dx 10/2007, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/0 nodes, ER+, HER2- |
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TX66 Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 26 |
May 1, 2008 05:13 pm
TX66 wrote:
Annie, Thank you so much for writing back. The breast is actually healing fairly well right now,there was enough extra skin and tissue from the flap, so we didn't have to go find any elsewhere. The holes are in my stomach, one right under/attached to my bellybutton and the other one about 1 inch further down. They didn't want to completely close them, 'cause of things possibly getting infected under there. Now the wholes have to heal from the inside out. It just seems to take forever to heal and I am questioning if it was the right choice to go with a trans flap. Hopefully months from now it will be better and I will be convinced it was the right decision. |
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Traci-----T
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1436 |
May 1, 2008 06:07 pm
Traci-----TripNeg wrote:
Hey TX, My 'lil sis had horrible complications with her tram flap. She is slowly but surely getting better. (((((((hugs))))))) Traci ps Moving to Dallas end of May and was born in '66. Trip Neg BRCA + If I never look behind me, my troubles will be few. Supertramp.
Dx 2/12/2007, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIIb, Grade 3, 0/14 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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snowyday Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1269 |
May 1, 2008 07:47 pm
snowyday wrote:
I'm sorry this is happening to you, I haven't gone through it yet but I hope you can heal quickly and see some light at the end of the mess. Good luck and my thoughts are with you. Big hugs. PN
Dx 5/18/2007, IDC, 3cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, / nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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flyrzfan Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 299 |
May 1, 2008 08:05 pm
flyrzfan wrote:
hey Tex, I didnt have the tram I had the DIEP but the complications on it put me throught the ringer. I am normally a go with the flow kind of girl but even this brought me to the point of a very tearful breakdown in the tub one morning wondering when the heck it was all going to stop - and i haven't even reached the chemo phase yet! I just wantd to offer some encouragement that it does get better -and reiterate open honest communication with pos about what you can and can not endure is imperative. they need to know ur limits as well as the medical options available to you. I will say my prayers for a quick answer and speedy recovery...best wishes bonnie the sun will come up ~ tomorrow
Dx 3/21/2008, IDC, 1cm, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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swimangel72
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 470 |
May 1, 2008 08:38 pm, edited May 1, 2008 08:39 PM
by swimangel72
swimangel72 wrote:
Hi TX66 - I too have an abdominal incision that seems to be taking forever to heal! On March 3 of this year I had a skin-sparing right-side unilateral mastectomy with immediate Diep surgery. All went well until day 7 when I had to return to the hospital with a fever - turned out to be a staph infection in my abdomen.....after two very strong iv antibiotics, they sent me home after 11 days. My incision was slightly open - then my PS opened up even more with "debriding" - had me stop the Neosporin and started my on "Santyl" collagen ointment twice a day. My hole started out about 3 inches wide, 1 inch tall and 1 inch deep. It's definitely healing from inside out - now it's only about 1/4 inch deep. Very gross to handle - not painful, since the nerves were cut - but my stomach muscles go into spasms if I sit too long in one spot (like right about now.) Some women have had wounds so bad they needed a "wound-vacuum", but my PS said mine wasn't that bad (easy for HIM to say, he didn't have to get grossed out every single day bandaging it.) I still see the PS once-a-week - sometimes he has to cauterize blood vessels - he says it's all a good sign though that new tissue is growing. However, I haven't been able to return to work because my PS is afraid of infection returning to my wound - so now I am off the payroll (although they will hold my job for a total of 12 weeks.) In addition to my wound problem - my stomach is bloated due to excess lymph-buildup. I'll be going to the lymphedema therapist tomorrow who will do massage therapy on my abdomen and right arm. Fortunately my new Diep breast seems to be fine - it's too big, but other than that, it healed well and hopefully with Stage 2 surgery it'll match my other smaller natural breast. That won't happen for a year though since I started on chemo. Anyway - I didn't want to get you more down with my details - just to let you know you are NOT alone with this suffering - but it WILL get better - hang in there! Dx 2/5/2008, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/7 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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Abby2 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 70 |
May 2, 2008 01:52 pm
Abby2 wrote:
Hi TX66, I am in San Antonio and have had success healing the "holes" in my abdominal incision with a Wound Vac from KCI. My insurance paid everything. They have their own website with info. It's awkward to wear, but sped up the process of healing lots, plus the folks at the wound clinic took care of my wounds 2x a week..... It does get better---hang in there. From what I understand, abdominal wound healing can be very slow.....Good luck. Abby2 Dx 3/16/2006, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR+, HER2- |
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TX66 Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 26 |
May 2, 2008 03:40 pm, edited May 2, 2008 03:41 PM
by TX66
TX66 wrote:
Thank you all so much for your help and kind words. I will see my ps again on monday. A nurse I talked to said to ask about going to a " Hyperbaric Chamber" (I am not even sure if I am spelling this right)THis is supposed to speed up the healing progress. So I will see what she thinks about that option. I guess I have to just learn to be a lot more patient about it all. I am like flyrzfan usually bounce right back from anything really quick. This has just really got me down right now and I am trying hard not to let it. Thank you all ! |
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JulsB Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 153 |
May 3, 2008 09:21 pm
JulsB wrote:
Hi Tex66, I'm sorry to hear you have healing issues. I can certainly identify with you. In fact, I am getting ready to send out a question to the ladies about my issues with healing. My surgery (DIEP) was in January. My left breast still has a hole in it, about 1 inch wide and 1.5 inches deep. I am sooooo tired of this. I wet/dry pack 2 times a day and just found out that I have to go back into surgery for the doc to see what's going on in there. I thought I would be ready for nips and finalization but it certainly isn't going to happen this time around. Aside from some bumps under the incision for my abs (stitches??) my abdominal incision area looks fine. I too, usually bounce back. I just do not understand this one. Good luck to you. Heal well. |
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etphd Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3 |
May 6, 2008 01:36 pm
etphd wrote:
Let me just say... AAARGGHH!! and yuck. My DIEP flap surgery was April 9th 2008, with a great result for the flap (healing beautifully), but a big old patch of dead skin and tissue at the donor site. I've been treating the necrotic tissue on my belly with Silver Sulfinate (which surrounds me in the very special perfume "eau de wet dog" all day) and it is working - by working I mean it is eating through the dead tissue and leaving big holes that are supposed to heal from the inside out. But I must reiterate... YUCK! I have never been this grossed out by a wound. However, I am reassured that this is what is supposed to happen and that the sooner the dead cells are gone the sooner the holes will heal up... I've also heard that 500mg of Vitamin C a day might be a good way to support tissue development but ask your doc what he/she thinks. Also - just 2cents about alternative treatments: my PS said "the literature does not indicate that there is any benefit to be derived from use of a hyperbaric chamber"... so I'm planning to continue with the "holey" approach until further notice. Wish me luck. XOX Elizabeth
Dx 5/23/2007, ILC, 4cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 5/9 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- |
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TX66 Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 26 |
May 6, 2008 07:20 pm
TX66 wrote:
Hi all, I went back to see my ps yesterday. She trimmed off some more of the dead skin and tissue to hopefully speed up the healing...Now the two holes I have are connected with a hole... We will see how things go, if it continues to fall appart more than it is healing, we might try the woundvac, which sound really scary to me and painfull. I looked at some pictures and gosh...I hope it will heal quicker so I don't have to do that. I wish they could just knock me out...stich me up... and get it over with. Now I have to decide if I should do chemo before we finish all the nipping and tugging we still have to do, or get all the surgeries finished and then do the chemo. What do you guys think? |
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Kathy_K Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 656 |
May 6, 2008 11:14 pm
Kathy_K wrote:
I was in the same place this time last year. My surgery was Jan. 3rd and the final healing was confirmed on May 23rd. That was a long time coming. The incisions healed but looked pretty gross. Fortunately, my PS did an excellent job revising the scars and they are all fading and looking good now. I know that this time really sucks and you will never look at gauze the same way again - and all that tape! But, believe me - this will pass and the nightmare will be over. One year later and I have to say that there is a type of amnesia that takes over and I have to really try to put myself back into that black place and remember what it was like. As you might imagine, I don't do that very often and really have managed to put it all behind me. I'm not trying to pat you on the head and say, 'there, there', I'm hoping to give you all encouragement that this, too, shall pass and there is life beyond all this mess. Have faith! TX - I think that decision should be made by your surgeons and oncologist. When a woman tells the truth she is creating the possibility for more truth around her. Adrienne Rich
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mlh3421 Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 3 |
May 7, 2008 12:16 am
mlh3421 wrote:
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tam1953 Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 406 |
May 14, 2008 10:02 am
tam1953 wrote:
To TX66 -- I had a ped TRAM and my abd wound opened. It was 16cm x 6cm x 6cm. At first I was packing it, but then I went on a wound vac and it was a relief to have someone else doing the dressing change. It is a discouraging development. I remember heading off to the Drs. office that first day and saying to my mother, "I am trying very hard not to feel sorry for myself." Just remember, they DO heal with time. I was on wound vac for my big wound about 3 months. I had a small tunnel that had to be packed quite a while after that, but it wasn't too bad. Now it's all over and I rarely think of it except when I see posts like this, so I wanted to respond and say, "Yes there is light at the end of the tunnel." Best wishes to you. I am SO sorry this happened. |
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TX66 Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 26 |
May 16, 2008 01:53 pm, edited May 16, 2008 01:54 PM
by TX66
TX66 wrote:
@ tam1953 Thanks for your kind words. I am still running to the ps every week. The holes don't seem to be getting any smaller, but they are not getting bigger either, I guess that is good. The ps mentioned a wound vac, but I am not sure if we are going to do that or not. I would like to return to work for a while before I have to start chemo and then I have one more surgery to fix the left breast. I guess the wound vac you have to carry a big vac around with you, that has to be a pain? Is it painfull when they attach the sponges and the vac? |
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tam1953 Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 406 |
May 17, 2008 10:49 am
tam1953 wrote:
The wound vac is not uncomfortable. It is a small black box about 8" square that attaches with a plastic hose. You carry it on a shoulder bag. I don't know if it will be indicated in your case, but it is nothing to fear. It is a little uncomfortable when they change the dressing because they pull the plastic off and it is like any tape that has to be removed, but they were careful with me and I appreciated it. Mostly I appreciated someone else taking care of the wound for me. This too will pass. It just seems like an eternity. Your body is healing slowly. It's too bad you had this unfortunate complication. Cancer is bad enough! |
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sam408 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1094 |
May 17, 2008 12:19 pm, edited May 17, 2008 12:19 PM
by sam408
sam408 wrote:
Wow, these wounds seem to be a common occurance with flap surgery. I had a ped tram on 4/2 and am now treating a wound that's about 2 in x 1 in on my breast. It's not very deep (maybe 1/2 in) and the PS told me yesterday that she thinks it looks good. . .funny how they can think something this gross looks good, but she said she's seen a lot worse and it healed so she has no doubt mine will heal too. She debrided it and has me cleaning/dressing it twice a day (I use silvadene cream on it). She doesn't want to see me again for 2 weeks and thinks that it will be healed enough to start using Xeroform dressings on it at that point. My new belly button is also having issues with healing and I've been using the Xeroform on it for about 1 1/2 weeks now, it seems to be working. Hope everyone continues to heal from this nastiness. Glad to hear from others that it will eventually pass and become a distant memory. Sheila . . .Never regret something that made you smile.
Dx 2/16/2007, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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