Does anyone know the average longevity of a saline implant if there are no other complications? The booklet my PS gave me only states that patients who were asked, after 7 years, were happy with their implants; but I'm assuming they *could* last longer than that?
My PS told me, pre-BC/recon surgery last fall, that implants last forever-- something he oddly contridicts now (the jerk)-- so I don't trust to ask him.
Thanks.
-Sally
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AlwaysHope Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2047 |
May 4, 2008 01:24 pm, edited May 8, 2008 06:11 PM
by AlwaysHope
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patt2qt Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1 |
May 4, 2008 02:26 pm
patt2qt wrote:
I had saline implant for 12 years. No problems. Now having them changed. Had expander placed in mast. side as I am going bigger. No problems with the expander this time around. Scheduled for exchange on June 20th. |
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anniebelle Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 394 |
May 4, 2008 03:04 pm
anniebelle wrote:
Hi there, I am still in the expander stage but my ps told me that average replacement time if 10-15 years. As far as I am aware, this goes for silicone as well. Good luck! to patt2qt: I have expanders in now, I hope in long term after the swap for permies that the cement bra goes away after awhile? Am getting alot of pt for it and it's better, but still hangs in there. Good luck to all with foobies and fipples! When you get a chance to sit it out or dance....I hope you dance!
Dx 10/2007, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/0 nodes, ER+, HER2- |
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rubytuesday
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2150 |
May 4, 2008 07:52 pm
rubytuesday wrote:
Sally, Like anything 'man-made' no one can say for sure what the 'shelf-life' is. My sister has had salines for close to 15 years with no problems. I have heard women on other boards say that they have had their implants for 20+ years so it's anyone's guess. Best wishes! |
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lady4law Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 617 |
May 5, 2008 09:45 pm
lady4law wrote:
Sally I was told 10-13 years for saline. That's in a statement that will be used in a lawsuit. My PS placed silicone in March 5th...they are being replaced with saline next month, they must come out as I have a pacemaker. They are much easler to remove and replace than the silicone, as they take only an inch, or less, incision. (Can be done thru the navel.) Jean - Lumpectomy- 6/27/07, Chemo TC - 7/07, Mast/recon - 9/26/07 Chemo TC - 11/07 - 2 surgeries to correct infections, Exchange 3/5/07
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jade Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 564 |
May 7, 2008 06:18 am
jade wrote:
Hi I have been told....if they are not broken dont fix them. I have a friend that is going on 20 years with her silicone. The ps told her that she has a couple more milage and then she should think about exchange. j Dx 9/4/2007, DCIS, 2cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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lady4law Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 617 |
May 7, 2008 04:50 pm
lady4law wrote:
Jade Saline is not like silicone...they do need to be replaced. One good thing, in my opinion, is that when they spring a leak - you know immediately - you go flat. Whereas with a silicone, it may be leaking for years before you know. I am having my silicone implants (only weeks old) replaced next month with saline. Without the bi-yearly MRIs required for follow ups, there will be no way to know if I have a "Silent" leak. Silicone is NOT to be used on patients with pacemakers. My former PS decided to put in what ever he wanted regardless of medical issues, dangers and protocal. Jean - Lumpectomy- 6/27/07, Chemo TC - 7/07, Mast/recon - 9/26/07 Chemo TC - 11/07 - 2 surgeries to correct infections, Exchange 3/5/07
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rubytuesday
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2150 |
May 7, 2008 05:14 pm, edited May 7, 2008 05:16 PM
by rubytuesday
rubytuesday wrote:
There are no bi-yearly MRIs required for silicone. Saline also does not require replacing UNLESS they spring a leak. Like Jade said, if they aren't broken, don't fix them. |
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lady4law Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 617 |
May 9, 2008 02:48 am
lady4law wrote:
Ruby I must respectfully disagree. The US Gov is doing a 10-year follow up on all silicone implants since placed back on the market. There is a document that must be signed prior to the implant surgery. Some may perfer not to have the MRI's complete as "recommended". However after everything I have gone thru with BC, I sure don't want to die from a silicone "silent leak". On of the major "pluses" for silicone is not requiring a replacement once a decade as do the saline. (Even without a major leak they slowing shrink) I am not sure that would be enough of a reason for me to maintain the silicone implants, even if were NOT against all medical authorities, to have them implanted along side a pacemaker. Jean - Lumpectomy- 6/27/07, Chemo TC - 7/07, Mast/recon - 9/26/07 Chemo TC - 11/07 - 2 surgeries to correct infections, Exchange 3/5/07
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MsSherry Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 162 |
May 9, 2008 08:45 am
MsSherry wrote:
I am getting silicone and was told every 10 years they needed to be swapped out. Also MRIs are recommended every 1-2 years. This infor was also in the Mento handbook that I had to read and sign 2 weeks prior to my implants.. Sherry
Dx 4/25/2008, DCIS, 6cm+, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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rubytuesday
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2150 |
May 9, 2008 05:33 pm, edited May 9, 2008 06:09 PM
by rubytuesday
rubytuesday wrote:
Again, Jean, I have sils and I signed AND read ALL of the paperwork. I am in the study that you are referring to. I know we had this conversation before and I know I posted the quote from the consent form but just to refresh your memory, here is the direct quote from the consent form that I signed: " To monitor your breast implants for silent rupture, an MRI is recommended three (3) years following surgery and then every two (2) years after that"." NOTE the word RECOMMENDED. You said: "Without the bi-yearly MRIs required for follow ups, there will be no way to know if I have a "Silent" leak." Recommended and required are two totally different things. I also don't know where you got the idea that saline need replaced every 10 years....they need replaced when and if they fail. Best wishes |
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lady4law Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 617 |
May 10, 2008 02:01 am
lady4law wrote:
Ruby I am an attorney and believe me if you ever develope an issue with regards to your implants and have not been following the "recommended" procedures to the letter (MRI - every 2 years) you will have no recourse. Read Sherry's comments. You didn't mention the almost 30% chance of requiring surgery within the first three years...re-read the book! I have been fighting BC and believe me, even if I could keep silicone, I would not. It's just not worth the chance of developing another life threating illness. Saline has no side effect if it leaks - other than going flat. However as it will eventually leak, I think it will be better to replace them at a time that best suits me. I don't want to go flat on a well needed vacation, or in the middle of a Court case. It also could take weeks or even months, to get in to see the PS and get on their OR schedule. That doesn't even address any health issues that may come up and prevent surgery. Jean - Lumpectomy- 6/27/07, Chemo TC - 7/07, Mast/recon - 9/26/07 Chemo TC - 11/07 - 2 surgeries to correct infections, Exchange 3/5/07
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jezza Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 277 |
May 10, 2008 03:20 am
jezza wrote:
I have had my saline implants in for 16 years now. I have had no problems with them at all.As far as I know they are not "slowly shrinking". I am very happy with them and it is reassuring to know that if they ever DO leak it is only salt water and will not harm me. Having said that I think silicone has been much improved over the years.When I had mine done there were a lot of court cases going on and my ps had stopped using silicone. Interesting discussion. jezza |
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rubytuesday
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2150 |
May 10, 2008 09:11 am, edited May 11, 2008 08:27 AM
by rubytuesday
rubytuesday wrote:
UHHHH, Jean....WE weren't talking about anything but the fact that YOU said that MRIs are REQUIRED for silicone implants. They are NOT required (they are RECOMMENDED) and that was what I was refuting. That and the misinformation that you posted about saline NEEDING to be replaced at specific intervals because they are the 'incredible shrinking implants'. Please don't post info that isn't true. It makes this VERY difficult for new people trying to sort out this rocky road. If you want to debate implants in detail, start a new thread and open the discussion. I read the ENTIRE packet of info, disclaimers, etc and am WELL aware of the pros and cons. MY PS was also very forthcoming with info and didn't try to snowball me. I do my OWN research and don't depend on my Drs. info which in your cases was HIGHLY unreliable and I told you that BEFORE your exchange surgery. I can't even IMAGINE a PS (especially one of THE BEST) putting silicone in someone without them signing the consent forms. Best wishes |
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rubytuesday
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2150 |
May 10, 2008 09:14 am, edited May 10, 2008 09:15 AM
by rubytuesday
rubytuesday wrote:
Jezza, I agree with your post 100% and I wish you at LEAST another 16 years out of your saline implants. My sister has had hers for at least 15 and still going strong. Best wishes BTW, My sister's aren't 'shrinking' either....LOL |
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bibliowarri
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 146 |
May 11, 2008 07:37 pm
bibliowarrior wrote:
Thanks for all the info, ladies. I'm leaning towards saline implants at this point and this was one piece of the puzzle I wanted to figure out. Thanks! -Sal Don't give up, because you are loved
Dx 10/8/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+ |
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jade Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 564 |
May 13, 2008 06:36 am
jade wrote:
Hi I agree with Ruby- All the studies I have read about silicone implants are inconclusive!!!! That means in NO TIME has any Dr (or atterney) proven that silicone causes any kind of Imunedefitiansy((sp) disease, it would not be on the market if different. Has anyone ever won a case based on their implants making them sick? Maybe, I dont remember reading any. Now the FDA has given the OK and we do (just like ALL kinds of implants) need to be watched. I too read the info the Dr gave me and did my own study. Ladylaw- its ok to have an opinion. What is not ok is "scareing" people over just your opinion. Sal- Do your research!!!! ask your Dr lots of questions and make your own choice:<}. For many women who have bilat mast, silicone does give the more "natural look". They are softer too. good luck to you in your search of truth. Remember it is a personal decision that should be made by knowing all the facts....not just the opinions of others j Dx 9/4/2007, DCIS, 2cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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jade Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 564 |
May 13, 2008 07:03 am
jade wrote:
ps Just read a study the Mayo Clinic had on silicone implants. Within the past 30 years there was NO sign that silicone implants were the cause of ANY tissue OR immune disease. j Dx 9/4/2007, DCIS, 2cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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jade Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 564 |
May 13, 2008 09:57 am
jade wrote:
xxxxxx Dx 9/4/2007, DCIS, 2cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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Marian Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 216 |
May 13, 2008 02:50 pm
Marian wrote:
Mri's are suggested and as with other equipment you purchase if you don't do the suggested maintenance your warranty is voided. I am not saying that silicone has been proven to be a problem, actually it is in many other human equipment replacement (mostly the knee) and there are no data that that is a problem either. Mri's would not be suggested if there was some sort of strong concern. Actually silicone is everywhere in our lives... doesn't mean that some people can't be reactive and it doesn't mean that it's totally safe either. As for the FDA well they approved Vioxx - remember.. I am not wanting to feed this fire but the devil is in the details... Best |
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rubytuesday
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2150 |
May 13, 2008 05:40 pm, edited May 13, 2008 07:02 PM
by rubytuesday
rubytuesday wrote:
Marian, My employer can 'recommend' or 'suggest' that I don't wear jewelry to work. HOWEVER, unless it is a requirement, I can't be fired if I choose to wear jewelry....heck, I can't even be reprimanded. The MRIs are the way that the implant companies appeased the FDA and expedited the approval of implants. The reason behind the MRIs is to detect silent rupture and it is simply a CYA operation. I don't think going to court is a worry for any of us since implants haven't been conclusively linked with any life threatening diseases. Even if by some fluke you did end up there, a GOOD attorney would SHOOT BIG holes in the wording (recommended vs. required). You are right, silicone is in a LOT of implanted devices including, but not limited to, the shell on a saline implant. Best wishes P.S. BTW, i'm not advocating that anyone 'passes' on an MRI, just stressing the wording. I personally WELCOME an MRI. I still have a breast and NONE of my tumors (3 in all) have shown up on a mammogram so it is a double 'perk' (no pun intended) for me. |
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Marian Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 216 |
May 14, 2008 12:14 am
Marian wrote:
Actually there are many reasons that one could "go to court" over the implants.. I don't understand why you are so vested in an incorrect statement the example you use doesn't even begin to address the concern. Many a lawsuit has been overturned because the "recommended" usage and care was ignored. But the point here is that the original question is a good one and needs to be addressed and we should keep asking the question of the companies that produce any product that goes into our body. It can't be answered because there are too many variables (the length of any implant saline or silicone) so we must do everything we can to protect ourselves - and the variables need to be addressed by the manufacturer. This is not a perfect product and an MRI is one of the way we can protect ourselves. Best |
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jezza Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 277 |
May 14, 2008 04:32 am
jezza wrote:
Bumping for chilidog! Jezza |
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lilith Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 180 |
May 14, 2008 05:39 am
lilith wrote:
:) my PS uses high coesive gel as it is silicone (gummi bears, fully approved where I live), but in gel form, and doesn't leak. She says that they are guaranteed 20 yrs... and that the exchange at that time is simple (and that, anyway, most likely in 20 years I will welcome a change, fitting more my body THEN). Dx 7/4/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, 1/8 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2+ |
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jade Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 564 |
May 14, 2008 06:34 am
jade wrote:
Hi Yes, we should never stop asking questions....I think Ruby is just answereing them, in a positive way. We all need to be dilligent in taking care of ANY foriegn body that we place in our "temple". With that said, I wish only the best for all of us.....may we NEVER have to find out that Ruby and the FDA are wrong.......I will drink to that:<} j Dx 9/4/2007, DCIS, 2cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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rubytuesday
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2150 |
May 14, 2008 06:05 pm, edited May 14, 2008 06:10 PM
by rubytuesday
rubytuesday wrote:
Marian, You say the original question was a good one....forgive me, but what was the original question??? Are you talking about Sally's question about the longevity of saline implants?....that WAS the original post until someone hijacked this thread with a rant on silicone implants. BTW, THAT wasn't me! I merely stepped in to stop the flow of misinformation. Best wishes P.S. I wasn't comparing my example to the gravity of someone's health, merely demonstrating the difference between the word 'required' and 'recommended'. P.P.S. CHEERS, Jade! |
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rubytuesday
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2150 |
May 14, 2008 06:11 pm
rubytuesday wrote:
Amen, Lilith....consider it a time to 'upgrade'....LOL! Best wishes |
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Marian Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 216 |
May 15, 2008 12:22 am
Marian wrote:
IMO you didn't agree with another persons understanding/ experience and jumped in to present yours as well as belittle hers.. she has the same right to be upset as you do without someone questioning her concerns and yes I was saying the original question was a good one..it still is! You did not stop the flow of misinformation as there wasn't any -- you just disagreed with the information and tried to discredit the person as well as her position when actually IMO she had a good opinion.. Now you don't like what I am saying. Hummmm.. |
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jade Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 564 |
May 15, 2008 12:58 pm
jade wrote:
Marian- I would love to see the lawsuites that have been over turned, just by not following a recomendation. Please IM me the site you were looking at. I must call my ps and let her know to make sure she tells her patiants the importance in following the recomendation. My ps said that it is ONLY for the study, didnt make any big deal about mris or anything else. I know that you cant follow my fluctuation in my voice. I am NOT being a wise gal....just want to read the same facts you read. j Dx 9/4/2007, DCIS, 2cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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Marian Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 216 |
May 15, 2008 03:43 pm
Marian wrote:
Oh yup sending that right over... Seems to me that if this thread has been hijacked it wasn't hijacked by the individual who was trying her best to protect the thread creater but by those who seem to have an real vested interests in putting breast implants on some sore of pedestal.. I'm done now you are being completely unreasonable and this isn't helping the writer of the thread at all. |
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