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  • Posted on: May 12, 2008 09:51 am
Dawn08 wrote:

I am a 39 year old woman with three young children and I am scared. I was diagnosed with duct carcinoma insitu. The surgeon and oncologist are recommending a "lumpectomy" (even though it is not actually a lump) and 5-6 weeks of radiation and tamoxiphin (if I spelled it right). A year ago my sister was diagnosed and had a double mastectomy and chemo, she just had her reconstruction surgery this past Thursday. The surgeon said I have to be comfortable with the treatment that a mastectomy is also and option even though she does not think it is necessary. I just keep thinking about my children, is it that important to keep the breasts? I want to make sure I am here for my children to see them at least into adulthood. Should I just opt for the mastectomy so there are no worries or follow the treatment plan both the surgeon and the oncologist agree on? It is so difficult to think straight.

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Jenniferz
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 269
May 12, 2008 10:01 am Jenniferz wrote:

To have or not have a mastectomy is truly a personal choice that only YOU can answer, not your doctors, not your loved ones....only you.  My suggestion would be to do your research, then make a list of the pros and cons of mastectomy.  And don't rush into it.  Breathe, and think.  If you have a lumpectomy and on the chance that the dcis comes back in the same breast, you can always have a mastectomy at that time. It may NEVER come back....remember that.

Jennifer


Dx 4/28/2006, IDC, <1cm, Stage Ia, Grade 3, 0/13 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
Dawn08
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 15
May 12, 2008 10:21 am Dawn08 wrote:

But does it come back even worse? I remember the doctor telling my sister that. It comes back with a vengence in younger woman.

jpann39
South Eastern, WA
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2735
May 12, 2008 10:46 am jpann39 wrote:

Dawn

Try not to compare your dx and your sisters..I know that is extremely hard, but  no two dx's are identical..

If your uncomfortable with what your doctors are recommending you might seek a 2nd opinion to help in your decision....

This site has alot of really good information in DCIS so try to spend a little time researching here to maybe get some answers.

Best wishes

Jule

'Life may not be the party we hoped for...but while we're here we might as well dance!!!!"
Dawn08
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May 12, 2008 01:02 pm Dawn08 wrote:

Thanks Jule

Your right it is hard not to compare my dx with my sisters. I just want to be sure-like everyone else that I am choosing the right treatment. I do not know if I should have the most radical treatment to ensure myself as much as possible of it not coming back or follow the less radical treatment that both doctors are recommending.

Dawn

jpann39
South Eastern, WA
Joined: Dec 2006
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May 12, 2008 03:47 pm jpann39 wrote:

I wish there were more I could do or suggest to help you make your decision but Im sure you will make the right one for you....

Its so hard to know what the right thing is....

I followed my Drs. recommendations, but a couple of these are doctors that Ive known for years so was very comfortable with the recommendations after I research the daylights out of everything they told me...

I will keep you in my thoughts, but you will know what is right for you when the time comes to finalize the decision...I dont know how but we all do...

Jule

'Life may not be the party we hoped for...but while we're here we might as well dance!!!!"
determinedm…
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 256
May 12, 2008 07:01 pm determinedmom wrote:

Dawn it is a very personal decision, no one can say for sure if it will come back, when it might come back or if it will come back w/ a vengence, nothing in medicine (or life for that matter) is guaranteed. Do your research, get a second opinion if you're still not sure, even a third if it will help you. Personally, I had DCIS 2 spots last yr. in the rt breast and mast was recommended by surgeon, radiation oncologist said lumpectomy w/ rad will have same results. I elected for dbl mast w/ reconstruct due to suspicious invasive areas on MRI. Although all came out clear, I am very comfortable w/ my decision as I have 2 young boys and wanted to be around for them for a long time to come. There is another thread further down for DCIS.

As Jennifer said, take a breath. No need to rush into anything unless you are absolutely certain what YOU want to do.

Best wishes,
Jeanne


Dx 5/26/2007, DCIS, , Stage 0, 0/4 nodes, ER-/PR-
Shirlann
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May 12, 2008 07:40 pm Shirlann wrote:

Hi Dawn, you do understand that DCIS, in and of itself, is not life-threatening? You are in no danger with this diagnosis. So that is why they are suggesting a lumpectomy.

Now, can anyone predict the future? No. And so this is why the docs/oncs/surgeons want you to make the decision, then if something goes wrong, they are not to blame.

I had a lumpectomy with rads for my cancer 9 years ago, I am fine. But this is a complicated decision. Read and learn, be aware that having your sister diagnosed too is a bit ominous for the future. I would get Dr. Susan Love's Breast Book, read only as far as you need to, the later chapters might scare you and you won't need them. This helps you to decide. Information is power.

Gentle hugs, Shirlann

Heidihi
Joined: May 2008
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May 12, 2008 09:29 pm Heidihi wrote:

Hi Dawan 08,

I am really sorry to hear about you diagnosis.  I was wondering what all your symptoms were even before the obvious red, itching, swelling, orange skin showed up.  Did you have any obvious symptoms before then?  Like were you unusually tired for a long time and achy? etc....?  

I will keep you in my prayers..

Heidihi

DAPHNESPLAC…
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 42
May 12, 2008 10:43 pm DAPHNESPLACE wrote:

I'm just jumping in--I had no symptoms that I was aware of, just went for my yearly & they found those "sugar granules" of microcalcifications.  After bx, was found to be multi focal, I was advised a mast as a surgical cure, or lumpectomy w/ rad, but the surg & Gp both agreed that the mast was necessary in my case.  Since my mom died from breast cancer, I have scheduled mast for 5/14.  I feel a second opinion would only make me wonder more & I think this is the treatment for me.  I don't understand, though, how some are able to opt for dbl mast if no dcis in that breast? Does ins cover this? Take care, dawn08

Dawn08
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May 13, 2008 08:48 am Dawn08 wrote:

Hi! Heidihi,

I did not have any symptoms. I went for a baseline MRI because my sister was diagnosed last year at 41, so my doctor was being cautious. They found an area of enhancement, it was a line they saw that was following my milk duct, they did a biopsy and it came back as DCIS with micro invasion-Stage 0 to beginning of stage one. The scary part is that my doctor put in for an MRI six months ago and my insurance company denied it saying I did not need it.

Dawn08
Joined: May 2008
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May 13, 2008 08:55 am, edited May 13, 2008 10:01 AM by Dawn08 Dawn08 wrote:

Hi! Shirlann,

I am sure you understand when you hear cancer it is hard to believe you are not in any danger but I do understand what you are saying. I think my decision would be a litte easier if I did not have three young children. I want to make the best decision to be around as long as possible for them. What is also confusing me is that the oncologist said I have the same chance of curing this with a lumpectomy and radiation as I do with a mastectomy. It does not make sense to me, if the breast is completely gone how can that be the same as just removing the section and radiating it? Is DCIS with microinvasion and neucrosis more dangerous than DCIS alone?

Thank You for answering

Dawn

Dawn08
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May 13, 2008 09:14 am, edited May 13, 2008 10:00 AM by Dawn08 Dawn08 wrote:

Hi! Jeanne

I also have three young children so that is what is making me think to have the mastectomy and that my sister was diagnosed last year and had no option but to have the mastectomy. The doctors tell me my right breast looks fine but I know this will be weighing on me constantly. The oncologist told me the same thing that I have the same cure rate with the lumpectomy and radiation as I do with the mastectomy. Did they explain that to you because I do not understand that. The surgeon said she will go in remove the area, mark it, and then check my sentinal nodes, if they are clear-fine, if not she will keep removing them until they are clear. She does not expect to find the cancer there but she has to check. If this is anywhere else in my breast then I am certain I want the mastectomy!! Can you tell them that before surgery? This might sound like a silly question but after the masectomy there isn't any feeling left, right?

Thanks for answering,

Dawn

jpann39
South Eastern, WA
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May 13, 2008 10:35 am jpann39 wrote:

Yes you can tell them that Dawn...I had a lumpectomy w/rads as they told me the same thing about the odds between that and mast...but during my pre-op visits with my surgeon I asked him to make the call for me while in surgery....we even signed papers to the effect stating that if he got in there and things were worse than what they appeared I wanted him to continue with a mast right then and there....thankfully my IDC was pretty much as it showed on the MRI!!!

I didnt think to tell you that about making the agreement with the surgeon like that....maybe you will feel more at ease about the lumpectomy if the two of you make this type of agreement???

I cant explain the different in the cure rate between the two but Im sure someone will come along soon that can.

Jule

'Life may not be the party we hoped for...but while we're here we might as well dance!!!!"
cstock39
Joined: May 2008
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May 13, 2008 10:58 am cstock39 wrote:

Hi Girls:

 I'm 39 also I had a lumpectomy on 5-1-08. Lumpectomy was my first choice. My plan has changed serveral times. 1st: I was doing lumpectomy with sential node removal then 5 weeks of radiation. Now we have received the path report from surgery and now I need chemo & radiation. I meet with onc doctor tomorrow. I was dx with ICD 5.3cm stage IIIa grade 3, 1/3nodes and er-/pr- her2-. I said the same thing to my doctor if you need to do it do it now (re:mastectomy) but he told me that until the path report comes back he would not do anything radical. My sential node came back clear. So when I received that dx I was in shock-and then to be told that I had to go through chemo was another big shock. But I know it is everyones personal choice- but if you trust and respect your doctor then I would go with his advise.  You need to make the decision based on your feelings. My best support has been my family & friends. Trust your gut feelings and remember there is a bunch of us on this same rollercoaster of confusion.

Good  luck you will know what is best for you!! 

BethNY
Long Island, NY
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4317
May 13, 2008 04:13 pm BethNY wrote:

Did your breast surgeon discuss genetic testing with you?  If your sister was dx at age 41, and you are under 40, you guys can be tested to see if you carry the BRCA gene.  If your test was negative, this may help you feel 100% confident with the decision to have lumpectomy only folowed by rads and hormone therapy.

I told you I only play to win....
determinedm…
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Posts: 256
May 13, 2008 04:28 pm determinedmom wrote:

Hey Dawn -

I really feel for what you are going through. Every time I try to answer you I feel I will bring you more questions. Yes, you should be able to tell your surgeon ahead of time if there is cancer go ahead w/ mast. However, if you want to have reconstruction, you're going to have another procedure any way. Whereas, when I had my dbl mast I had expanders placed at the same time. That's just one type of reconstruct, there are others, but most can be done at time of mast. I do have some feeling in my breast, but not what it was before. I had previous biopsies which were negative as well as recall mammos and US. Since I had 2 areas of DCIS mast was recommended over rad mostly by my FP who I also work for and whose wife had BC, the rad. onc. thought it would end up w/ the same results if lump & rad, surgeon supported either. I was 46 and just felt my breast had served their purpose and if there was cancer, just didn't need them any more. It was a very personal decision that was supported by all those around me. Although there was no residual CA left in either breast, there was a lot of precancerous tissue and who knows at what stage it would have been found. Get all the info you can and listen to your gut, she won't let you down. Come back often, you will get so much support and comfort from this place as well as knowledge.

Best wishes,
Jeanne


Dx 5/26/2007, DCIS, , Stage 0, 0/4 nodes, ER-/PR-
Linda1
MI
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Posts: 201
May 13, 2008 04:50 pm Linda1 wrote:

Hi, Dawn!  It seems your doctors are in agreement on the course of treatment they're recommending, but you're not comfortable with it.  Rather than try to make a decision from limbo, I'd suggest getting lots and lots more information.  You can start with this site which is truly wonderful in the information it provides in a really easy-to-understand format.  If I were you , I would also call or meet again with the doctors and ask for more information on why they're recommending what they are.  They should be able to give you information on statistics, studies, etc.  Maybe you also want to go to a different health center to get a second opinion. 

Don't forget that there's a significant difference between a lumpectomy and a mastectomy.  Last year I had both, so I speak from experience.  The mastectomy is MUCH more invasive and takes a lot more time to heal from. 

Keep on asking questions, and don't rush.  Take the time you need to make a good decision.

Linda 


Dx 4/3/2007, DCIS, 1cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 2/13 nodes, ER+, HER2-
Dawn08
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 15
May 13, 2008 04:52 pm Dawn08 wrote:

Hi! Jeanne

My doctors office called today and told me my surgery is set for May 23. My husband and I have concert tickets very expensive concert tickets for May 24 but I really want this thing out of me. It wouldn't be such a big deal if he could drive us there but he cannot drive right now do to an injury he received on the job. I feel extremely resentful for feeling like I should put my surgery off because this is the one time in 11 years of marriage where there is something wrong with me when it is usually him. That sounds selfish right! Everything is so jumbled up in my mind I cannot think straight. I finally thought I came to a decision about my treatment today-having the lumpectomy w/ radiation and telling the doctor if it is anymore advanced than they thought then remove the breast but their is still part of me that says just have them removed- I am still undecided and confused!!!

Dawn 

determinedm…
Joined: Jun 2007
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May 13, 2008 05:12 pm determinedmom wrote:

You are not selfish at all. However, if you're not 100% confident w/ your decision perhaps you should postpone it until you know for sure what you want. Perhaps get a 2nd opinion and/or talk more w/ your doctors and let them know why you are torn and confused. I'm sure they want you to feel comfortable w/ your final decision as well.


Dx 5/26/2007, DCIS, , Stage 0, 0/4 nodes, ER-/PR-
Dawn08
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 15
May 14, 2008 02:02 pm Dawn08 wrote:

Shirlann,

If DCIS is not life threatening then why do so many women choose to have the mastectomy? So many have seemed to choose the mastectomy rather than the lumpectomy w/ radiation.

Dawn

lvtwoqlt
FOOTHILLS OF, NC
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 2947
May 14, 2008 04:27 pm lvtwoqlt wrote:

Dawn, I am one of the women who was dx with DCIS and chose the bilat mast with implant recon. Everyone has their own reasons for chosing the procedure that they go through with. In my case, my aunt was dx at age 38 with ovarian cancer and my mom at age 60 with BC. I had problems since 2005 when I was 44 with abnormal mammos resulting in sterotactic biopsies, first on the left breast in Feb 2005, second on the right breast in Aug 2006, each time showing ADH (pre-cancer cells). After my 2nd dx of ADH, my surgeon suggested I consider PBM and to let him know at my 6 month follow-up appointment. April 2007 at age 46 I had my 6 month mammo and it was abnormal again, the biopsy showed DCIS in the right breast. For me the bilateral mast was the only reasonable thing I could do. I was tired of going on the roller-coaster ride of abnormal mammo and biopsies and I was ready to get off the ride.

Do I miss my natural breasts? you bet I do. Do I regret having the surgery last June? No because it reduced my risk on both sides to less than 1 % of developing into an invasive cancer. I was not going to give the cancer another chance to form and possibly not find it before it had invaded.

After my mother's dx she had the genetic testing done and was found to be BRCA negative.

I hope that this answers your questions as to why I chose the mast rather than another lumpectomy.

Sheila

We are like tea bags, we don't know how strong we are until we were thrown into hot water. Eleanore Roosevelt
ckr11100
Bennet, NE
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 49
May 14, 2008 07:21 pm ckr11100 wrote:

Hi Dawn.  I was also diagnosed on April 21 with DCIS.  I had the comedo type with is thought to be the more aggressive type of DCIS.  There is no family history of bc at all.  It was found on only my second mammogram.  I was also diagnosed at the same time with Lobular Carcinoma Insitu or LCIS.  Evidentally you can not find LCIS on mammograms.  It is very sneaky and usually is found on an incidental biopsy for something else.

My DCIS was very small.  3 little grains of salt.  I work in an imaging center and pull down mammos after the radiologists read them, put the paperwork with the film jackets etc.  So I see this every day.  It would never happen to me of course. 

The center I work at just got their first digital mammogram machine.  I was due (actually overdue, my first mammo was 2 years ago in January) so I offered to get mine done as soon as the new machine went in.    The radiologist that read my mammo took me back in the room and let me look at the films.  It was very tiny.  he told me that I could wait and recheck it in 6 months or if I was going to worry to schedule a biopsy.  I opted for the biopsy.  One week later, I had the biopsy.  It came back DCIS and LCIS. 

I thought long and hard.  I for one did not want to have radiation.  I also have children and one small child, a little girl who is 6.  I wanted to be sure that I was around for a long time.  My DCIS was on the left side and I was afraid of having radiation to that part of my body when my heart is on that side.  It was just my personal decision to have bilateral mastectomy with reconstruction on May 8.  I am 6 days out now and really doing better than expected.

It is a very personal choice.  I read everything I could get my hands on.  This website has been a godsend.  All of my co-workers and radiologists I work with as well as my husband were very supportive of my decision.  I did the research as well and was told that the mastectomy was as "curable" as lumpectomy and radiation.  I was just not comfortable with that. 

I hope you find peace in a decision that is the right one for you.  I did and feel completely happy with the choice I made.    My path report after surgery did come back that my DCIS was high grade and the "healthy" breast had some funky tissue that I believe may have been most likely precancerous.  That solidified my views as well.


Dx 4/21/2008, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 2
louishenry
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 254
May 14, 2008 07:28 pm, edited May 14, 2008 07:37 PM by louishenry louishenry wrote:

Hi Dawn. Shirlann is correct. DCIS is not life threatening. It is a non-invasive disease that does not biolologically know how to metastisize.However, to avoid a recurrance that may be dcis or worse, you need to treat it properly. Sometimes if the dcis is all over the place, a woman may not have much of a choice. Mastectomy it is. However, most have lumpectomy with rads, and in some cases like myself, the dcis was so little, low grade, large margins etc, no rads are needed. But , we are all different. There are some that want a mast. because they don't want rads or tamox. I respect their decision. But,pure dcis is not going to hurt you. Even with microinvasion, they will probably treat it as stage 1a, which is the earliest of the invasive numbers. With a family history, I would understand if you wanted a mast. But, you really need to think this through. So, take a deep breath and try to get all the info you need to make the best decision you can. You have time. Nada

Dcis May 2007, 4mm, low to intermediate grade, no rads er / pr +. Tamoxifen September 2007
Jule
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 198
May 14, 2008 07:32 pm Jule wrote:

Dawn,

I don't know what the right decision either. I also had the same conversation with my oncologist regarding masectomy vs lumpectomy. I was told that the results would be the same using either procedure as I was pretty much determined to have a bilateral masectomy.  I chose to go with my doctor's thought, but she is also having me go through chemo first before surgery as she said that this increases success for some younger women. 

Julie
Dx 4/23/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 2, / nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
lvtwoqlt
FOOTHILLS OF, NC
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 2947
May 15, 2008 08:39 am lvtwoqlt wrote:

Something I forgot to put in my post about my bilat decision. On the final path report there was more ADH in the right side (where the DCIS was) and hyperplaysic ductal cells in the left side. Based on this path report I felt that I made the right decision for me.  Would the cancer have come back on either side? Who knows, I know that I was not going to give it another chance to rear it's ugly head and possibly be invasive.

Sheila

We are like tea bags, we don't know how strong we are until we were thrown into hot water. Eleanore Roosevelt
Dawn08
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 15
May 16, 2008 09:10 am Dawn08 wrote:

Hi! Ladies

I want to thank all of you for taking time to answer me. I went for a second opinion last night to the surgeon that removed my first lump five years ago and he is also the surgeon that did my sister's mastectomy. He took a lot of time to explain things to me and read my old reports and my new reports. He also explained about some recent medical articles he read about the latest findings about DCIS. He told me with the results of my biopsy and the  family history the only thing he would feel comfortable with is doing the mastectomy. He told me if I was one of his family members this is what he would tell me to do. I honestly feel this is the best decision because I would not be able to live my life as normally as possible having this constantly hanging over my head. I know there is always a chance of recurrence but this choice is the best one for me, it will make me feel the most comfortable!! He also said I should consider myself lucky because it was found on the MRI and found so early. So I actually feel relieved that I have made my decision. I have an appointment with the plastic surgeon on the 27th to see if we can schedule the mast. and the expanders at the same time. I am a teacher and I was hoping to wait to the end of the year to do this which is about six weeks away. Is that to long? I would like it out of me sooner but that would mean taking off the rest of the year and we only get ten paid sick days a year and finances are extremely tight right now. But if it to long to wait then so be it!!

Thanks again

Dawn

lvtwoqlt
FOOTHILLS OF, NC
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 2947
May 16, 2008 09:37 am lvtwoqlt wrote:

Dawn, I am glad that the surgeon took time to explain why he was pressing for the mastectomy. I also did not want it hanging over my head. 6 weeks is not really too long to wait. I had my inital biopsy on April 25, 2007 with the results on April 27, had the follow-up with the surgeon on May 2nd, consult with the PS on May 7, and surgery on June 1 because of trying to get the two doctors available for surgery on the same day. So I was close to the same 6 weeks that you are looking at. Good luck with your surgeries.

Sheila

We are like tea bags, we don't know how strong we are until we were thrown into hot water. Eleanore Roosevelt
ICanDoThis
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 428
May 16, 2008 09:39 am ICanDoThis wrote:

Dawn, it'll take them a few weeks to get everything ready, no matter what. Although I remember feeling that I WANTED THIS HORRID THING OUT OF ME RIGHT NOW, I think waiting until the end of the year is a reasonable option.

Relax and enjoy your students til the end of the year.

Sue


Dx 12/28/2007, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
tmac
Randolph, NJ
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 204
May 16, 2008 10:09 am tmac wrote:

Hi Dawn, I completely relate to your situation.  I'm 40, 2 young children, DCIS dx after my baseline mammo.  Your decision has to be what's best for you & your family.  For me, I had time to research and doctor shop.  In situ is a good thing.  I, too, did not have a lump, only a cluster of cells, and had a choice btw lumpectomy/rad/tamoxifin or mastectomy.  My first BS consultation talked to me about "quality of life", for the rest of my life.  This stuck w/me thru out the other consultations, and helped in my decision making process. 

One of the first things I did after my dx was educate myself.  This decreased my anxiety tremendously.  The unknown is what creates anxiety, so anyway to decrease the unknown is a good thing.  I wish you and your family the best.           

Amers
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 77
May 16, 2008 03:14 pm Amers wrote:

Just a thought--

you might want to look for a second opinion--

I am 45 and had a mastectomy--now the side with the sagging boob looks funny to me!

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