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  • Posted on: Mar 26, 2008 01:26 pm
Bibbie wrote:

Hello:

I was diagnosed with IDC on December 6, 2007. After a core biopsy I was told I was probably a stage 1 with a 1.3 cm tumor in the right breast. After CT's, bone scans, Xrays, MRI's, muga scan etc. I went for a second opinion at a well known teaching hospital and was talked into a lumpectomy. I knew in my mind that I would need a bi lateral mastectomy but went ahead with the lumpectomy. The first lumpectomy was done as well as a sentinel node biopsy. All 3 nodes were positive. The next step was another lumpectomy with a complete lymph node dissection. There were 3 more positive nodes and the tumor was said to be 3.9cm with positive margins. Next another lumpectomy to try to get the margins clear! Yeah, they are finally clear but I have half a breast. The tumor was around 4 cm with 6 positive lymph nodes which makes me a stage III a. Because of prior cosmetic breast surgery and the scar tissue, they want me to have 6 chemo treatments over 16 weeks, 6 weeks of radiation and hormone therapy. After all of this a bi lateral mastectomy with tissue expanders. I am very concerned that this will not work with the radiated tissue. I am not a candidate for any flap Reconstruction. Please help if anyone knows about this or has been through this. I am 98er+ and 84%pr+ her2-. Thanks to anyone who may be able to help.

Many Thanks,

Bibbie

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LizM
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1675
Mar 26, 2008 04:11 pm LizM wrote:

Hi Bibbie,  I know what a dissapointment it is when they think and you hope you are stage 1 before surgery.  My story is somewhat different as I opted for a bi-lateral with tissue expanders from the get go even though a lumpectomy was recommended.  My tumor was thought to 1.4 cm and ultrasound of nodes looked clear.  After surgery I had one positive node and tumor was 2.1 cm.  I underwent 4 months of chemo (DD AC then Taxol) and I also opted for radiation to my chest wall (yes with tissue expanders in place), auxilla and supraclavicle nodes.  I was also ER/PR positive her2 negative and am taking Femara.  It is my understanding that it may be more successful to have the tissue expanders before the radiation than after radiation but you would have to consult with your plastic surgeon/rads oncologist on that.  Six months after radiation I had my final implant exchange.  So far I have not had any problems.  Good luck. 

SpunkyGirl
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 375
Mar 26, 2008 05:45 pm SpunkyGirl wrote:

Hi Bibbie,

I didn't have prior lumpectomies like you did, but I did have a mastectomy with expander, followed by chemo and rads.  I was expanded to the size we wanted me to be prior to radiation.  I finished radiation in June, 2007 and had the exchange done in October.  I researched this quite a bit, and found that many patients seemed to do well going this route, although there is a higher rate of complications.  There's a large study out of Georgetown that you can google on it.

I had a prophylactic mastectomy on the  other side also in October, and so far, so good.  I look fine in clothes, and the radiated side is doing okay.

Hope this helps.

Bobbie

Every day is a blessing...
Dx 7/23/2006, IDC, <1cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 2, 8/20 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2+
SISKimberly…
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 667
Mar 26, 2008 06:02 pm SISKimberly wrote:

Hi Bibbie,

We have the same dx.  I had three IDC tumors that totaled 4cm. The largest being 2.1 and the smallest one being in the Axilla, but it was in situ. I too am ER+PR+ HER2-.  I chose to do a bilateral mastectomy with expanders (on 12/6/07 the day you were diagnosed) upfront.  I have two more chemo rounds to do out of six.  I was told I'd be doing rads and HT, too.  I have, however, after much research decided not to do either, so when I'm done with chemo...I'm done.  I will have my expander exchange sometime before Christmas I'm thinking.  I agree with Bobbie about talking to your plastic surgeon as skin stretching may not be happening after radiation.

SIS (Sister In Survival) Kimberly 

Life is a journey that sometimes takes unexpected detours...but detours that often turn out to be the best parts of the trip. SIS Kimberly
Dx 10/10/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 2, 4/10 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
maryannecb
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 2320
Mar 26, 2008 08:42 pm maryannecb wrote:

I delayed recon for 2 years. That put me all through treatments and back at work.

I had a Lat dorsi flap as was concerned about high failure rates(of implants) with irradiated tissue. My flap looks good but is not as big as my other breast. It is about a cup size smaller. If I want I can add an implant which as now I have healthy tissue (my flap) to place it under will very likely NOT fail.

Believe it or not my 2 years with one breast were Not that bad. The prosthesis was excellent...I think it made me value my less than perfect recon too.

I hope you reach a happy place with your decisions and your treatments work like a charm. Many people survive this, why not you?

Fists up!
Dx 9/20/2005, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIIa, Grade 2, 2/14 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
Bugs
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 972
Mar 27, 2008 02:52 pm Bugs wrote:

Bibbie...I can't help you with the recon question as I haven't had recon as yet.  I just wanted to welcome you to our group (not that we wanted you to join!!).  We have some awesome StageIII gals that you can vent to at anytime!

Take care,

Bugs

The life I touch for good or ill will touch another life, and that in turn another, until who knows where the trembling stops or in what far place my touch will be felt. Frederick Buechnerr
Dx 2/1/2006, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, 3/16 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
lkc
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1010
Mar 27, 2008 07:28 pm lkc wrote:

Hi Bibbie,

I had initally a lumpectomy biospy( no clear margins ), then lumpectetomy & axilliary dissection ( no clear margin and 10 pos nodes, then a mastectomy,

I had 4 A/C , then 4 Taxotere W herceptin ( I am her pos) then 35 rads. I continued on with Herceptin.

Anyway, I had implants before prior  to all of this all  and my breast surgeon advised me to leave them in. 6 mos after completing my rads, I had a propylactive left mastectomy, removal of old implants, with new saline implant reconstruction.  I am fine and you will be too, There are never any guarantees with radiated skin, but since my skin was expanded abit, it worked for me.

Good luck!

Linda K
Dx 5/30/2005, Paget's, 1cm, Stage IIIb, Grade 2, 12/14 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
lkc
Joined: Aug 2005
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Mar 27, 2008 07:29 pm lkc wrote:

Oops I had 12 pos nodes.almost forgot...

Linda K
Dx 5/30/2005, Paget's, 1cm, Stage IIIb, Grade 2, 12/14 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
MissShapen
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Mar 31, 2008 10:17 pm MissShapen wrote:

Bibbie,

 I was dx with DCIS in November 2006. In Jan07 (after a breast MRI and 3 more biopsies) I had a lumpectomy. The path report from that said I had 2 TINY points of invasion and the DCIS was more widespread than my BS originally thought, so I had left mastectomy in Feb 07. They discovered 7 big fat lymphnodes full of cancer. I ended up being a stage IIIa.

 Trust me, I know how it feels to think you're a Stage 0 and ending up a Stage IIIa! What a mind blower!

Sorry I can't help with any recon advice. I have not had any at all. At this point, I'm trying to decide about the right breast and implants. It can be very difficult to know what to do!

Best wishes and a big hug from Virginia for your suckie news! Good luck during chemo. You may want to get with a group of ladies getting chemo here on the chemo thread. That was a real lifesaver for me!

Miss S


Dx 11/9/2006, IDC, <1cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, 7/31 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
Nichola
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 181
Apr 20, 2008 09:26 am Nichola wrote:

In the Uk they recommend a 6 month gap after radiation to let the skin recover.  (I am waiting for my second reconstruction now, post rads).  Radiation of a reconstructed breast is tricky and carries the risk of encapsulation?

My sister just had her reconstruction 2 years post her chemo and rads and it's great!

Hope this helps


Dx 11/28/2007, 1cm, Stage IIIb, Grade 1, 0/10 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
lisamed123
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 35
Apr 20, 2008 08:20 pm lisamed123 wrote:

OMG, I pretty much had the same thing happen as MissShapen.  In January 2008 I had a biopsy procedure and my gyno calls me at work to tell me I have DCIS.  I know he said that because he told me to write it down.  He said that I would have surgery, and "since we overtreat everything in our society now", radiation and be on tamoxofin (sp?) for about five years.  He was really casual about it.  He even said three women in has office have had it.

When I go to the surgeon they say to me "I do not know why your doctor told you that you have DCIS" it states right in the pathology report that it is invasive. 

Well based upon my age and talking to others I decide to have a bi-lateral mastectomy and move on with my life.  Well it turns out I had two tiny (each less than 2 cem), but very aggressive tumors, along with 10 out of 21 positive lymph nodes.  I also find out I am "triple negative".   

I am still in shock and disbelief that I have gone from what they call Stage 0 to Stage III.  It seems every time I go to the surgeon my situation gets a little bit worse.  I am at one of the best hospitals in the country, so I guess I have that going for me. 

I have had doctors now tell me that having the bilateral mastectomy was the best thing I could have done based upon my diagnosis.  I have had one chemo treatment so far and will be doing radiation after that.  I have the expanders in for reconstruction, but truthfully, reconstruction is such a low priority now.  

Thanks for letting me vent.

Lisa

SpunkyGirl
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 375
Apr 20, 2008 10:07 pm SpunkyGirl wrote:

Count me in, too.  I went from a Stage 0 to Stage 3 as well.  I have to tell you that when they initially dx'ed me with multi-focal DCIS, I fought like H@## to keep my breast.  Boy, it sucked to go from 0 to 3 when they found those lymph nodes! Someone else's quote on this post says it best (from W. Churchill),"When you're running through hell, keep running!"

Peace to All

Bobbie

Every day is a blessing...
Dx 7/23/2006, IDC, <1cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 2, 8/20 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2+
SuperMujer
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 99
Apr 20, 2008 10:31 pm SuperMujer wrote:

OMG bibbie,

I cannot believe what that hospital put you through!!!!!Yell

I hope that you have since changed doctors. What you had to go through is bad enough without being mismanaged from the outset.

I'm not sure where you live, but there are plenty of great plastic surgeons out there who will be able to help you once your major battle has been won. Need any names in NYC?

My prayers are with you.

LA

SuperMujer!
Dx 1/2008, ILC, Stage II, Grade 2, 1/15 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2-
Bibbie
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 13
Apr 26, 2008 12:53 am Bibbie wrote:

Hello Everyone:

Sorry I have not been on line for a few weeks. I want to thank all of you so much for responding to my questions. We all have this dreadful disease and we will survive it with God's help!

Love and Prayers to All,

Bibbie


Dx 12/12/2007, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 2, 6/18 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Sophia463
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SpunkyGirl
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 375
Apr 26, 2008 09:40 am SpunkyGirl wrote:

Sophia,

I'm a skeptic, big time.  I think the makers of most of these products target people like us because they know some of us will try it.  The data is very skimpy on this, and the products are expensive.  My two cents!

Bobbie

Every day is a blessing...
Dx 7/23/2006, IDC, <1cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 2, 8/20 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2+
whoopsiedoo…
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2086
Apr 26, 2008 04:11 pm whoopsiedoodles wrote:

reported sophia

Cancer took my breasts, but it did NOT take my spirit!
Dx 9/29/2005, IDC, 6cm+, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/7 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
MissShapen
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 4343
Apr 26, 2008 09:25 pm MissShapen wrote:

Lisa, I am so sorry to hear that you are going through basically the same crapola that happened to me. I, too, felt like every time I got news, it was something else bad. By the time I had a bone scan and CT scan, I refused to even ask for the results. My friend who was staying with me at the time asked for me. At the time I just felt like I could not possibly bear any more bad news!

 I have since had more bad news, of course! Cancer just seeks to rob us of everything and we have to fight!!!

Lisa, I think it's great you went with the bilateral. When I had my mastectomy, I still thought I was very early stage, so I never even considered it. I'm still thinking about it now. Just keep fighting and know that no matter how strange the things happening to you seem.... they have probably happened to a bunch of other gals, too!

Bobbie, sorry to hear you went through this, too. It is hell and we need to keep running!!

A happy weekend to all.

Miss S


Dx 11/9/2006, IDC, <1cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, 7/31 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
Gitane
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 284
Apr 29, 2008 10:19 pm Gitane wrote:

Bibbie, I had 6 rounds of chemo, also. I, also, could not do tissue transfer. But I didn't have radiation, so our cases aren't exactly the same. I was able to do the expansion and implants. However, there are others who have had the implants after radiation, so it is possible. I'm glad I had the reconstruction, but probably would have been just as happy without.

Bobbie, Lisa, MissShapen (love the name), my staging went from probably stage 1 based on core to Stage 2b/3a based on MRI and post mastectomy pathology, not sure because of neo adj chemo. Seemed like over the first year each time I talked to someone my prognosis dropped and the staging was worse.

prettyinpin…
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1135
Apr 30, 2008 11:11 am prettyinpink100 wrote:

I started out as stage 0 with a 1.4cm mass that could not be palpatated. Lumpectomy had positive margins with satellite tumours. My biggest shock was waking up from that surgery and finding out that the first 3 lymph nodes tested were positive and that all were removed. That jumped me up to stage 2 and added chemo to the treatment list.

The pathology report stated 9/16 positive nodes and a mastectomy discovered numerous remaining tumours microscopic to 1.4 cm in size. All of the sudden I was stage 3b.

It was more of a shock to be stage 3 than it was to have discovered bc. I kept trying to be hopeful but each doctor's visit sucked that right out of me. I have since done tons of research and read about so many survivors here that I am very hopeful again. It is what it is. Now we just have to pull ourselves up and kick that cancer in the butt!

PIP
Dx 2/1/2007, IDC, , Stage IIIb, Grade 2, 9/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
formygirls
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 224
Apr 30, 2008 12:23 pm formygirls wrote:

I started out as stage 2a also. Now I am stage 3c/d....I don't even know. My initial tumor was 2 cms through u/s guided biopsy. Then they felt a node and my stage went higher. I had another biopsy where they removed a 7.5 cms tumor and I still had tumors left in me. I then had a MRI which bunch of nodes matted together. So I don't even know what my stage is anymore. I will never know for sure as I am having neo-adj chemo and hopefully most of the tumor will be gone when they do the mast. Every doctor visit and report has made things worse. Yesterday I had a followup MRI which was the first positive report since the whole thing started. It actually showed improvement in the tumor because of chemo. 


Dx 2/22/2008, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2-
kitkat04
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 33
Apr 30, 2008 12:54 pm kitkat04 wrote:

hello formy girls

I also went through chemo before surgery, I am staged a 3c, had lymph node involement in my neck.  I did 6 months of chemo(CAF) and 6 weeks of rads, then mastectomey, they had hoped to shrink the tumor and stop spread, The pathology came back clear.  I had a total response to chemo, nothing left.  I is a blessing in disquise that we need to do chemo first, yes it is terrible that it is considered inoperable but on the other had we get to see that the chemo they chose for us is actually working.

I hope the news remains good for you from now on

kathy cadeau
Dx 9/1/2004, IDC, , Stage IIIc, /14 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2+
Lindaip
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 329
May 6, 2008 04:39 pm Lindaip wrote: <address>I also went from IIA to IIIB because they forgot that my tumor had penetrated the nipple area. That was six years ago and I now have NED. I had two mastectomies with saline implants (I did not have radiation, but did have 4 A/C and 4 Taxotere).</address><address>Linda</address>

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