So I went to a yoga for breast cancer patients class last night. Wonderful teacher and good for me to move my body again. Met a woman who had just finished chemo and she asked what I had. I told her and she said oh, yeah, I had DCIS 10 years ago and it was a non-event. I was stunned and didn't even know how to reply. Is losing your breast a non-event for anyone? really? I know I am lucky not to have invasive cancer, but the treatment for DCIS is still vry serious and certainly an EVENT in my life!
DCIS...a "non-event"?! sheesh!
ok, thanks. I needed to rant here where you all will understand.
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sahalie Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 2186 |
Apr 17, 2008 11:38 am, edited Apr 17, 2008 11:56 AM
by sahalie
sahalie wrote:
I'm so sorry you were subjected to her insensitivity. If you see her again maybe you could explain more about DCIS to her. |
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Marian Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 216 |
Apr 17, 2008 11:40 am
Marian wrote:
Twirlgirl, no it's not a "non-event"! It's incredible stress about our lives our surgeries about the possibility of something being missed AND the loss of our breast(s) for some of us a lumpectomy for others that takes a chunks of their breast and then radiation treatment.. Not to mention for some the meds they will be on for years and the worries that go along with that too It's loosing our hair to the stress of so many confussions about this disorder and for some of us our hair actually turns gray! Nope it is an incredible event.. and thank God it was DCIS! She was incredibly insensitive and should be told, but if that can't happen then you need to know you have been through a personal disaster - it's what you do with that experience now that matters most! I would rant too! There are always people experiencing greater and lesser events - we should all be careful to never blow off someone's feelings. Best Marian! |
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LUVmy2girlZ
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 2290 |
Apr 17, 2008 11:50 am, edited Apr 17, 2008 11:52 AM
by LUVmy2girlZ
LUVmy2girlZ wrote:
Hey TAY ~ Gosh, so much for 'Yoga' I am sure THAT was quite the 'stress relief'...Marian IS right...since you can relate on the Feb-ulouse RAD girls such as yourself Okay, I've vented....now breathe! LOL... TAKE CARE TAY... much LUV Laughter, is the shock absorber that eases the blows of life....
Dx 11/19/2007, DCIS, 5cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR- |
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sam408 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1115 |
Apr 17, 2008 11:57 am
sam408 wrote:
A non-event??? Hope my memory of it fades that much in 10 years. My non-event has consisted of a lumpectomy last February, 33 rads April-May; my breast never healed properly from the rads so 2 weeks ago I had a mast with tram flap recon and am now working my way through recovery from it. I still have the lift to do on the good side and nipple recon. This non-event has gone on for over a year and still has a way to go. Then there's the SEs from tamoxofin which I still have to take for 4 more years. . .don't even get me started. Sheila . . .Never regret something that made you smile.
Dx 2/16/2007, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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flfish Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 72 |
Apr 17, 2008 12:00 pm
flfish wrote:
Twirlgirl: Well, then I would like to know how this "non event" has caused me to miss so much sleep over the last month, and how this "non event" has us going to radiation for weeks on end, and how this "non event" has taken all or parts of our breasts? Blow this woman off, she is not worth worrying about. Good thing you were relaxed at a yoga class or she could have ended up hurt! :) God Bless! Ellie Dx 3/24/2008, DCIS, 2cm, Grade 3, / nodes, ER+/PR+ |
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crazydaisy Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1264 |
Apr 17, 2008 12:20 pm
crazydaisy wrote:
Twirl.......geesh......that was a really sucky and insensitive thing for her to say! Well maybe you can tell her how uneventful your non-event bout with DCIS has been?? That just plain sucks.......oh ya, having a mastectomy is a non-event??? Another thing.......if it was such a non-event then how come she's back with another event 10 yrs later??? Maybe that first event wasn't over??? Viv " The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain"
Dx 1/7/2008, DCIS, 4cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, / nodes, ER-/PR- |
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laynel57 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 373 |
Apr 17, 2008 12:27 pm
laynel57 wrote:
Twirlgirl -- she actually said "non-event" and she just finished chemo?!?!?!? I wonder if it would count as yoga if you bent her into a pretzel? Kudos on not killing her ... I'm afraid I would not have been so kind! Layne "Hit it with a sledgehammer until it submits or dies ...."
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roseg Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 7679 |
Apr 17, 2008 01:03 pm
roseg wrote:
Well, the poor woman is a two time survivor and had just finished chemo. Of course her encounter with DCIS was a non-event to her. There is absolutely no doubt that having invasive cancer and chemothearpy is way worse! So I say, cut the gal some slack. With any luck this will be your last cancer "event" and you'll thank the stars you never deal with cancer again. Which doesn't marginalize your experience one little bit. She's just pulling the "I have it worse than you" card. I think don't put your mat next to hers next time! She's toxic. Rose
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twirlgirl Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 123 |
Apr 17, 2008 02:26 pm
twirlgirl wrote:
Thanks Ladies! I really appreciate your support. I wasn't mad at her, just sad. And I know that she is on battle #2 with BC and lost her breast to DCIS...it doesn't seem like a little thing! I do cut her some slack and wish her the best. I just also wish that judgement was not there. I think that losing part or all of your breast, no matter what mind of dx led to that, is huge. no, i am not worrying about dying and that is a BIG blessing, I am very aware of how lucky I am, but that doesn't change how much it sucks! Everything is relative. Everyone's pain and suffering is theirs. i spent the yoga class trying to not let that bother me, but I was directly across from her...what a test of "letting things go"! I'll be on the other side of the room next week. peace and light to you all...thanks for being here! I'm writing a blog about my cancer experience, www.myturnip.blogspot.com ~ Blessings, Tay
Dx 11/1/2007, DCIS, 1cm, Grade 1, 0/0 nodes, ER+/PR+ |
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snowyday Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1290 |
Apr 17, 2008 02:33 pm
snowyday wrote:
Whoever that women is what an ass. I feel so bad that you had to put up with that for even a second. I had a friend, well I thought she was a friend. When she found out I had cancer, she emailed and said she had cancer three times and it was a breeze, her kids told me she was lying and on top of that told me that prayer would get me through it. I just hate people that treat others with such selfish disregard. It amazes me the way some people think. I hope she farts during the next yoga session and is embarrased. PN
Dx 5/18/2007, IDC, 3cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, / nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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prayrv Joined: May 2007 Posts: 313 |
Apr 17, 2008 02:48 pm
prayrv wrote:
Sorry ladies for my language, but non-event??????!!!!!! BITE ME! I had to have a mast for my DCIS and 35 sessions of rads (they found 8mm invasive after surgery). But the original dx was dcis so that was the orginal tx plan was mast. I'm now on tamoxifen and all it's joys (not too bad, but constantly worrying). Again sorry for my rant, but geeeeeeeeeeeeesh! Trish Failure is NOT an option - NASA
Dx 4/27/2007, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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bluesky Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 333 |
Apr 17, 2008 03:01 pm
bluesky wrote:
that's horrible, since when is cancer a non event, whatever stage or type it was still CANCER!! she of all people should know this, but i'm sure she is just upset because she's had it twice, all we can do is feel sadness for her, but not let her comments minimize your suffering. Dx 10/25/2006, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIIa, Grade 3, 4/18 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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Marian Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 216 |
Apr 17, 2008 03:31 pm
Marian wrote:
Twirlgirl, if you get another chance.. maybe invite her to explain how she was treated 10 years ago and then we can turn this into a lesson. Did they do the same standard of care 10 years ago? Would she have had a better chance to not have a re-occurrance if they did? Did she just hit a statistic or is there something done or not done 10 years ago to put her where she is today. Invite her here and I would love to know why she is dealing with invasive cancer 10 years later. Is it a new primary cancer or did it actually spread and if so it could allow some of us here to talor our treatment to avoid her situation. She could have information that could help some of us here. But honestly I do like the fart comment |
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larousse Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 297 |
Apr 17, 2008 04:48 pm
larousse wrote:
yup... i wish it was a non-event... (also wish for the fart, snowyday)
Dx 12/31/2007, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, / nodes, ER+/PR+ |
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Pepper_B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2527 |
Apr 17, 2008 05:07 pm, edited Apr 17, 2008 05:08 PM
by Pepper_B
Pepper_B wrote:
Cutting the lady some slack is doable but at the same time her respect for what Twilgirl and others with DCIS have/are going throught is insensitive and down right rude. DSIC can cause major havoc in one's life - I underwent 3 surgeries, radiaiton, raloxifene, the fatigue, the rash the s/e and then got DCIS in the other breast and had to do the same damn thing all over again - I wish people would stop minimizing what we have to go through with DCIS. So I didn't have to do chemo that doesn't meean that what I had to endure was any less difficult. Yes some women with DCIS don't have multiple surgeries, rads or meds and I respect them all we ask is that others respect those that have endured their own experiences. Okay I'm done ranting but this is a touchy subject with me... Whoever said," winning isn't everything", never had to fight BREAST CANCER!
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Beesie Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 3549 |
Apr 17, 2008 05:52 pm
Beesie wrote:
DCIS is certainly not a non-event for anyone who is going through it. Losing one's breast to cancer, even non-invasive cancer, is most certainly not a non-event. I suspect that if the woman you spoke to was asked about DCIS 10 years ago, at the time that she lost her breast, she probably wouldn't have considered it a "non-event" then. Now, however, she's in the middle of a second bout of BC (in the other breast, I assume?) and this time, it's invasive and she's had chemo. This time, she has to really seriously worry about mets (not that DCIS women don't think about it too but for her, it's now a very real possibility). Her comment was highly insensitive, but given the prognosis that she faces now, vs the prognosis after her bout of DCIS, and given the treatment she is enduring now, vs. the treatment required during her bout of DCIS, I can understand why she might brush off DCIS as a non-event. With all that she is going through now, she's probably forgotten how scared she was back when she had DCIS, and how it wasn't a non-event for her then. Dx 9/15/2005, DCIS 6cm+ Grade 3 w/ IDC microinvasion, Stage I, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR-
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carolsd Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 268 |
Apr 17, 2008 09:37 pm
carolsd wrote:
I think Beesie is right. Ten years is a long time and her current treatment, now that she has been diagnosed with invasive, trumps that remote memory, whether it was traumatic at the time or not. Maybe she was saying that to encourage you, to make you feel that what you're facing isn't that big of a deal. Clearly, that was the wrong way to respond to your situation. It seems that no matter what we face in life, there is going to be someone who has it worse. In their shoes, your situation might seem like a "walk in the park." That's insensitive, of course. But perhaps it's forgivable. Maybe the best thing to do in this kind of situation is to have compassion for the other one and wish them the best. Dx 9/22/2004, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, /0 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- |
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Iamblessed Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 166 |
Apr 20, 2008 12:46 pm
Iamblessed wrote:
You go Pepper B!!!!!! Ditto to everything you wrote!! Peace, Love, Happiness & Health
Dx 4/7/2008, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 1, ER+/PR+ |
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twirlgirl Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 123 |
Apr 20, 2008 01:30 pm
twirlgirl wrote:
Oh, Ladies...you have really lightened my spirits on this, thank-you so much! It's interesting, you know I struggle already at this stage, after 2 surgeries, 8 weeks of rads with people in my life being ready for it all to be over...for me to snap out of the Cancer Mode. Like I am choosing it. I am just trying to heal, it's only been 3 weeks since rads ended. I am not back to any kind of "normal"! But then I wonder, am I being dramatic, should I downplay this? That seems like it makes others more comfortable, but doesn't help me process this BIG EVENT in my life. This yoga class is the first support group of any kind I have gone to...and boom! The kind of comment I feared. So, thanks for validating my feelings here. I've come to depend on this board so much. ~bless you all~ I'm writing a blog about my cancer experience, www.myturnip.blogspot.com ~ Blessings, Tay
Dx 11/1/2007, DCIS, 1cm, Grade 1, 0/0 nodes, ER+/PR+ |
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Gardenlady Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 12 |
Apr 22, 2008 12:43 am
Gardenlady wrote:
Marian, You are right on in your comments. I have read some of your posts and found them very helpful. I am very careful who I talk to about BC in my daily life so very much appreciate the help I find here. |
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thetrumumsh
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 34 |
Apr 26, 2008 04:44 am
thetrumumshow wrote:
Hi there, I'm in London, England. I was diagnosed with LCIS in January 2006 and had a WLE. However in February of this year I was diagnosed with DCIS, Sclerosing Adenosis, Radial Scar and atypical columnar changes!! My Surgeon is recommending Mastectomy and sent me for a 2nd opinion where they recommended an MRI to make sure it is only DCIS and not Invasive Disease and also to see whether there is any DCIS in the other breast too. If there is it will mean bilateral mastectomies, if not just the one. But then I suppose if there's any evidence of invasive disease that will shed a different light on things too. Interestingly, he also said that DCIS IS Breast Cancer when my Consultant at the Royal Marsden refers to it as pre-cancerous cells. I't certainly not a non-event to me or my husband!!!! Trudie
Dx 3/11/2008, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 1, 0/0 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ |
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Held Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 284 |
Apr 26, 2008 06:30 am
Held wrote:
A "non-event"???? Maybe to her, but my double mastectomy was no non-event. Neither were the 3 following surgeries to resolve problems after the mastectomy, with one more to go. The 7 drains I have endured (this last one has been in for 16 days and may not come out for another week) do not fit into the "non-event" category either. She doesn't know what she is talking about. She could also use a healty dose of compassion. Does that come in an injectable form so we can just jam it into people who piss us off with that kind of comment? I command you - be strong and courageous! Do not be afraid or discouraged. For the Lord your God is with you wherever you go. - Joshua 1:9
Dx 9/7/2007, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR- |
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xxxx Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 29 |
Apr 26, 2008 02:13 pm, edited Apr 26, 2008 03:09 PM
by xxxx
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Marian Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 216 |
Apr 26, 2008 02:45 pm
Marian wrote:
Wow.. did you read this thread? There is a good deal of compassion for anyone - everyone.. and the intent was to relay that to anyone who was hurt by insensitive words.. Victim card??? Toxic???? Maybe you should really read other threads and don't be so quick to judge.. I hope you find what you are looking for and all the best to you - I certainly agree I am grateful to be alive!!! And EVERYONE is entitled to their feelings - including you! Best Marian |
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smithlme Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 485 |
Apr 26, 2008 03:06 pm
smithlme wrote:
If you check on xxxx's past comments, you will see them all deleted. I, personally, come here for support and not to tick people off. I, too, have recently been diagnosed with DCIS, after a diagnosis with IDC, last year. I had my second Mastectomy this past Tuesday. This "non-event" and "pre-Cancer" is scary stuff. I am trying with all my might to survive and live a long, healthy life. We're all entitled to our opinions, and this is not the place to stomp on another's feelings. It all sucks and we each need to feel validated for our own thoughts... Linda Dx 3/31/08, DCIS, ER+/PR- "In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back" - Charlie Brown
Dx 3/28/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/9 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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Marian Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 216 |
Apr 26, 2008 03:13 pm
Marian wrote:
It is scary stuff Linda, and I am sorry you are dealing with this after a diagnosis of IDC! I hope you will be well and that this is end of all new dx's.. Thanks for the heads up on xxxx's past comments! Best Marian |
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crazydaisy Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1264 |
Apr 26, 2008 05:17 pm
crazydaisy wrote:
Marian and Linda I do so agree. We are here for support and I believe we can all find that from eachother. Each persons experience is their own and different from anothers and we need to support that. Of course having invasive or a 2nd or 3rd cancer is much more serious and life threatning, we all know that and wish for an end in sight and cure for our sisters here who struggle daily with this dam disease. Without the knowledge and openess of our sisters who've experienced so much many of us would be left vulnerable to not knowing what the early effects can have in our lives. As for xxx , her name is Michelle, and I've noticed she deletes everything. Why???? Viv " The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain"
Dx 1/7/2008, DCIS, 4cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR- |
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Held Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 284 |
Apr 26, 2008 05:49 pm
Held wrote:
what did XXX say? I command you - be strong and courageous! Do not be afraid or discouraged. For the Lord your God is with you wherever you go. - Joshua 1:9
Dx 9/7/2007, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR- |
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LUVmy2girlZ
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 2290 |
Apr 26, 2008 06:25 pm, edited Apr 26, 2008 06:27 PM
by LUVmy2girlZ
LUVmy2girlZ wrote:
I had read her post...she had mentioned along the lines of..., to give her a break... that the "yoga" instructor could actually die and we were all playing the victim card and this woman could die because of her diagnosis and we were toxic and she doesn't want any part of this "support group" I think everyone is entitled to their opinions...hers and ours ! She could have voiced her opinions and we would respect them. I know, that a lot of woman here have gone through too much...we do support one another. We have been there. Like crazydazy said, more some than others...and we hold them close to our hearts and prayers ----each and every one!!! Cancer sucks bottom line! So we are ENTITLED to our emotions/feeling and words. All my LUV for all ~ Mastectomy 7 weeks radiation (35 rounds) Laughter, is the shock absorber that eases the blows of life....
Dx 11/19/2007, DCIS, 5cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR- |
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twirlgirl Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 123 |
Apr 26, 2008 06:48 pm
twirlgirl wrote:
Sometimes coming here is the only place I can whine and cry and get some virtual TLC...so i treasure that and my friends here, esp. the Feb rads girls. I wasn't angry with the woman in my yoga class, just taken aback by her response. i didn't go this week because of a schedule conflict, but I will go back next week. I don't think I want to ask her about it...seems better to just focus on my own healing than stir any negative feelings, but if I can't seem to let it go, I will say something. I don't think she meant any harm, but then not many people do with the things they say... as Luv said, cancer sucks for everyone, no matter what the dx! and we are not competing to see who has the most sucky situation...god forbid... I'm writing a blog about my cancer experience, www.myturnip.blogspot.com ~ Blessings, Tay
Dx 11/1/2007, DCIS, 1cm, Grade 1, 0/0 nodes, ER+/PR+ |
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