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Joined: Apr 2008
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  • Posted on: May 1, 2008 09:06 am
thetrumumshow wrote:

Hi there, Has anybody with DCIS had Mastectomy and Immediate Reconstruction? I'm so unsure about what to do. So many people have different opinions as to what is best. I was thinking I'd go for immediate reconstruction with DIEP flap but what if the Histology report shows something other than DCIS? I'm having an MRI next week so that should eliminate that risk, I suppose. Also has anybody waited a long time between told diagnosis of DCIS and having surgery? I was told on March 11th and due to my Consultant offering me a 2nd opinion and that taking a long while to organise, the 2nd opinion suggesting MRI and that needing to be organised here I am 7 weeks later and not seeing my Consultant to discuss surgery for another 3 weeks!!! 10 weeks seems ages to me.

Trudie
Dx 3/11/2008, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 1, 0/0 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Noni
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 126
May 1, 2008 10:51 am Noni wrote:

I had a bilateral with immediate reconstruction.   I was diagnosed Dec 5th and the surgery was Jan 21st.  I thought that was a long time and that everything was just dragging but the surgeons told me that there wasn't a big hurry.

Why do you have to wait another 3 weeks to discuss surgery? 

I took a leap of faith with having the immediate DIEP.  My breast surgeon said there was less than 1% chance that I would need radiation, which would mess up the reconstruction.   I decided to do it anyway and it worked out fine. 

bilateral mastectomy with immediate diep on 1/21/08
Dx 12/5/2007, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/6 nodes
LUVmy2girlZ…
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 1721
May 1, 2008 11:03 am LUVmy2girlZ wrote:

Trudie ~

I had a mastectomy followed by an immediate expander.  Unfortunately, one positive margin brought me to 7 weeks (35 rounds of radiation) I had an MRI prior and both my PS  and surgeon knew in advance that a mastectomy is recommended as I had multi-centric ( more than one quadrant )

Anyway, my case was "rare" but they recommend immediate reconstruction as it saves a step and the PS can determine where the cut will be so you have a better outcome as far as physical results.

We will see..keeping my fingers crossed that this "beef jerky" of mine can be stretched enough due to rads.

Good luck with your decisions...go with your gut instincts!

Much LUV

Mastectomy 7 weeks radiation (35 rounds) Laughter, is the shock absorber that eases the blows of life....
Dx 11/19/2007, DCIS, 5cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-
Beesie
Joined: Jan 2006
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May 1, 2008 11:09 am Beesie wrote:

Trudie,

Noni's comment about taking a "leap of faith" is exactly how I felt when I made my decision.  My biopsy had uncovered DCIS with a microinvasion of IDC and a subsequent MRI showed my breast to be full of "stuff" (which could have been nothing serious, or more DCIS, or more microinvasions - there was no way to know for sure).  Still, both my surgeon and PS agreed that the odds that I would need radiation after my mastectomy were slim, so we took the chance and I had a single mastectomy with immediate reconstruction with an expander.  Everything turned out to be fine.  I did have a lot more DCIS but my nodes were clear and radiation wasn't required. 

As for timing, I went for a 2nd opinion and then decided to change surgeons between my excisional biopsy and my mastectomy, and I also went through the process of an MRI and another biopsy (other breast - benign, thankfully), plus I had a couple of consultations with the PS.  All in all, it was 2 1/2 months for me between my biopsy & diagnosis and my mastectomy.  With DCIS, this type of a wait is usually not considered to be a problem and in my case, it wasn't.

Dx 9/15/2005, DCIS 6cm+ Grade 3 w/ IDC microinvasion, Stage I, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR-
chilidog25
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 21
May 5, 2008 03:46 am chilidog25 wrote:

Hey Trudie,

 I was dx with DCIS in multiple sites in March o8 and since its taking so long to see 2 different surgeons, a plastic surgeon, a geneologist, oncologist, breast care councelor, and Im getting a third, independant opinion, thats without a possible MRI and a possible second biopsy, I dont see me having any surgury until June or July. My doctors seem less concerned about the lapsed time only that I make the right decision. So I guess my advice would be if they seem ok to let you move slowly then gather as much onfo as you can so that you feel confident about what ever decision you end up making.

I am probably facing a bilat masectomy and will have immediate recon if all goes well. It seems like a good idea to eliminate one of the surgeries.

Good luck with your journey and Im right there with you.

Andrea 

frustrated2…
Joined: May 2008
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May 8, 2008 08:15 pm frustrated2 wrote:

Hey Everyone how are you all doing?

I was dx two weeks ago with DCIS.  Over the course of about three weeks (spent one week waiting for test results) I had ultrasound's, mammogram, MRI, and both a needle biopsy and a surgical biopsy.  I will be having surgery end of next week for my mastectomy.  Things have moved very quickly for me and i am glad.  I liked both my surgeon and my plastic surgeon right away.  I have also opted for reconstruction right away.  They are going to do the left breast first then the left one.  I only have cancer in the left one but I don't want to risk having to go through all this again in another couple of years.  Take them both and give me brand new pair!

I am hearing that if my DCIS has not spread to my lymph nodes or surrounding tissue that there may not be a need for cemo or radiation.  Has anyone else heard that?

Mookaite
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 85
May 11, 2008 08:27 am Mookaite wrote:

Hi Trudie,

The time frame you are experiencing does not seem out of the norm or too slow to treatment.  DCIS is slow to progress and non-invasive.  You have many treatment options to choose from and time to research them. Your MRI results will help you make that decision too.  This site is a good one to begin your research at.

When I rec'd my diagnosis I was told I had time to decide on treatment and to find a PS and did not need to rush. I am a DCIS right breast bilat survivor almost finished with immediate implant reconstruction a year later. I chose prophylactic mastectomy on non-cancer breast for peace of mind. 

My sister in law was also diagnosed w/DCIS at the same time as me but had to wait 6 months to do bilat/recon due to other health issues needing resolution.  She finished her recon ahead of me and is now no evidence of disease as I am.

It is also my understanding that if they had found any DCIS in my lymph nodes they would have removed all my nodes and perhaps done chemo as follow up.  I believe it may possible to begin some types of reconstruction while undergoing chemo. 

Over the course of this past year I have felt like I have been trying to run in chest high water, meaning that everything seemed to take TOO long! However when I look back at my first recon photos and am amazed I am looking this far transformed in just one year. 

Keep in touch, all the best to you,

Mook 

mgayle48
Joined: May 2008
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May 12, 2008 12:03 pm mgayle48 wrote:

To Frustrated2: Since you are having a mastectomy if your margins and nodes are clear you probably dont need any follow up.  

burns_la
Joined: Jun 2005
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May 12, 2008 02:30 pm burns_la wrote:

Yes. I had a DCIS dx 12/31/03 and surgery in February 2004. I had right mast/immediate TRAM recon. Since the mast path came back as invasive, I then had an April 2004 lymph node removal to check for spread. Nothing found, but onc suggested 4 AC as a safeguard. The only thing I would do differently would be to have a SNB first and also, I'd go for bi-lateral, as I agree that it's best to get it out of the way. My ps at the time talked me out of bi-lateral, but everything seems ok now.

Laura from Oregon
Dx 12/31/2003, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/18 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
frustrated2…
Joined: May 2008
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May 12, 2008 03:51 pm, edited May 12, 2008 03:59 PM by frustrated2 frustrated2 wrote:

Thanks mgayle48.  Even if my margins are clean it will depend also on the pathology report about the receptors and her2?

Manda
Dx 4/28/2008, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, / nodes
sunkistmi
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 44
Jun 9, 2008 12:42 am sunkistmi wrote:

Hi Trudie,

I was dx'd with DCIS in right breast in Feb 2006.  Dr. did lumpectomy (actually turned out to be partial mast. since she took from 9 to noon) and sentinal node biopsy. Nodes were clear but 3 of the 4 margins were not.  Choices were to have further excision, hope for clear margins, then rads.  However she said I probably would not be happy with the look of the breast after rads, especially since I am a very small B, actually closer to an A.  Other choice was to have mast. w/implant reconstruction.  That option was out due to RA.  Next choice was to do mast. & TRAM flap reconstruction. BUT, I have 4 herniated discs and cannot be without my stomach muscle, which is how they do the TRAM flap.  Last choice was to do the mast. and wear the prothesis, which is the one I ended up thinking I was going to do.

But I think the Lord had other plans because I found a website that explained the DIEP reconstruction method.  I sent them an inquiry on a Friday afternoon, they called be back Fri. PM, I talked with them more extensively on Mon. when they answered all my ???? and scheduled an appointment to go to SC in April for the surgery.  At that time in 2006, there were only 8-10 docs in the country that did the perforator flap reconstructions; a method that does not take the muscle to do the reconstruction.  Exactly what I need!  Dr. Robert Allen, out of New Orleans and Charleston, was my surgeon and he has trained many, many of the surgeons that are doing these surgeries.  In fact we now have a PS here in MI trained by Dr. Allen.  I will be seeing her at 11:00 am today, since DCIS has returned in the left breast.

I do not regret having the mast. and immediate DIEP reconstruction.  My only regret is that I did not do both at the same time.  I was given the option, but at that time I just couldn't see taking off a healthy breast.  Turns out it wasn't probably all that healthy.  With the amount of DCIS that is now showing up, the doc feels that there were cells already growing.  But you cant go back, only forward.

I wish you the best in your decision. You can listen to others, read lots and lots but in the end, the final decision is yours alone.  I havent' been on this site only a couple of days, but I can tell you that I have been so blessed by what I have read and the true caring and compassion that is expressed.  We do know what each other is feeling because we do walk in each other's shoes.

Best wishes to you and prayers go with you as you make your decisions.

Sunkist in MI

Keryl
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 39
Jun 9, 2008 01:13 am Keryl wrote:

Hi. Its me, Keryl. Yep, I think I am in your boat. Similar diagnosis' prognosis. most LIkely going for mast. simple, Diep, immediate reconstruction;  hoping for the best.  Even thinking about 2nd breast. Yet, feeling very sad tonight; but good news -- everyone in my family is upbeat' ok, the  bad news; who do I whine to? Thank God for all of you.  I am sad and scared.


Dx 5/13/2008, DCIS, 1cm, Grade 3, ER+/PR+
thetrumumsh…
Joined: Apr 2008
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Jun 9, 2008 08:21 am thetrumumshow wrote:

Hi there Sunkist and Keryl, My situation got more complicated.  My MRI showed "something" in my left breast too which has been biopsied and shows as Atypical Lobular Hyperplasia, so it's not cancerous but isn't normal and COULD turn cancerous.  My Surgeon recommends a bilateral Mastectomy with Immediate Implant Reconstruction -  I don't have enough tummy to do both with a DIEP flap!!  She says the decision is entirely mine, if I want to just remove the right breast and go for DIEP flap she'll do that but in her opinion I'd get a better result cosmetically doing both now with implants.  I'm swaying towards that now.  My husband says let's just go for it and then all the element of risk is removed.  But I still feel sad at losing both my breasts.

Trudie
Dx 3/11/2008, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 1, 0/0 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
cbl
Joined: Jun 2006
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Jun 9, 2008 10:01 am cbl wrote:

I had a unilaterial mastectomy and "immediate" reconstruction using a pedicled tram flap.  It was almost 5 months from the day I was diagnosed to the day of the mastectomy.  I was concerned about the length of time but neither the breast surgeon or the plastic surgeon were.  My mastectomy and reconstruction were actually 2 weeks apart because the plastic surgeon wanted to make sure that he had the full pathology report back from the mastectomy and SNB (some doctors don't do the SNB for DCIS but since there is no going back I am glad it was done) before making a final reconstruction decision.  At the time of my mastectomy the PS placed an expander in as a place holder and also tied off some of the abdominal blood vessels to increase the blood flow for the tram.  I am a former smoker so blood flow is a very big issue.  This "prep" gave the doctors time to get the full pathology report and be sure that I didn't need any additional treatments.  I think I would have preferred one big surgery instead of 2 but I wanted the best medical and cosmetic outcome possible and this is what my doctors felt would give me that.  I have every confidence that we made the right choices.

ehall
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 205
Jun 9, 2008 07:02 pm ehall wrote:

Hi Trudie--I too was dx with dcis last year and opted for a bilateral mast. with immediate reconstruction (latissimus dorsi procedure) last September.  I am 4 weeks out from my expander exchange--and my breasts feel like my own.  I too had lots of ups and downs about what to do and spoke to 4 breast surg. and PS as well as countless women.  

I just returned from a 4 day cruise and spent most of my time in a bathing suit--and got lots of lookers (in a good way!)

Good luck---and do what you are most comfortable with.

Erin 


Dx 7/6/2007, DCIS, 4cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/6 nodes, ER+/PR+
sunkistmi
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 44
Jun 9, 2008 07:57 pm sunkistmi wrote:

Hi Trudie,

Sorry to hear about your news.Its good to hear you are comfortable with what your surgeon says.  I did not have the option to use the implants because of the RA.  My cousin, who also has RA and lupas, had the implants removed because they encapsulated.  I didn't even want to take a chance on it.  I saw the PS today and she is really nice.  She was really amazed that I had come today because she is going down on Weds to spend several days with Dr. Allen.  She said they are starting to use the flesh on the inside of the thigh to do the reconstruction & felt that it would be the best option for me rather than the I or SGAP, especially with the sciatic problems I have.  I see the other surgeon Weds. & find out what she feels the timetable needs to be.  She said I could have the skin-sparing mastectomy now and have the recon later but I really would rather do it at the same time.  This will be my 23rd major surgery since 1971 & I just don't think I could break it up if at all possible.

It's interesting that when I had my DIEP surgery in April of 2006, there was a woman doctor from England that was observing.  She had been trained in the perforater flaps at some earlier date with Dr. Allen and had returned for a 'brush-up' course.  It's a small world.

I wish you well in your decision and in the subsequent surgery.  We all have to do what is in our bodies best interest and only we know what that is.  Take care.

Sunkist in MI

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