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  • Posted on: May 3, 2008 12:41 pm
Kate14 wrote:

I was diagnosed with DCIS in Sept of 2007 after undergoing a core biopsy,a surgical biopsy and a second surgery to check for clear margins. Since then I have had radiation therapy and my 6month mammo and checkup with the surgeon last week. I was perscribed Tamoxifen but, altho' I bought the perscription,I have not taken it-too afraid. My drs know this. At this point I am waiting for my surgeon to set me up with a new oncologist -I wasn't pleased with my original onc. Hope to hear from others re:Tamoxifen,pros and cons and especially from anyone else who is not taking it.

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awb
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1912
May 3, 2008 01:45 pm awb wrote:

Kate---I take tamoxifen for prevention (diagnosed with LCIS 4.5 years ago and also high risk from family history)--my SEs have been mild and manageable.  There are some serious risks (blood clots and endometrial cancer) but they are reportedly rare--less than 1%. Most women tolerate tamoxifen well, the most common SE being hot flashes. (you will undoubtedly hear many stories of women who don't tolerate it well, but keep in mind this is where we can come to vent about problems like that!).  My oncologist left the choice up to me, but was glad when I decided to take it. Have your oncologist go over all your risks and benefits to taking it.  Good luck with whatever decision you make.

Anne 


Dx 9/5/2003, LCIS, Stage 0, 0/0 nodes
cat
Ripley, Oh
Joined: Nov 2007
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May 3, 2008 01:52 pm cat wrote:

Kate

I had bi lat mas so I would not have to take it or do rads.

cat


Dx 10/19/2007, DCIS, 4cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+
PhyllisCC
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 199
May 3, 2008 04:28 pm PhyllisCC wrote:

Hi Kate,

Everything is so confusing.  My situation is different as I had a unilateral mast in nov 07 due to extensive DCIS...multifocal.. grade 2...found to have a lot of grade 3 on the pathology afterwards.  So I really didn't have any option but the mast.  My BS did not even refer me to an oncologist; I requested the consult myself as I had read about tamox and what it may due to protect my remaining breast (I wasn't too concerned about the mast side as reoccurance is very low) 

My oncologist spent quite a bit of time with me and explained a lot of the reoccurance rates and what they mean.  Basically with my history (NO BC anywhere in the family), age..56, my chance for reoccurance was low to begin with that even though tamox would reduce it more... it was so low that we both felt isn't worth risking some of the worse side affects that you can get from tamox.  I was very comfortable with that decision.  Now I'm on mammos at 6 months for the good side.  Here's hoping I get a "clean" one next month!

Sounds like you are making a good decision to talk to another oncologist.  Mine worked with a lot of BC patients to begin with and was very easy to understand.  Ask what the different risks are so you can be comfortable with your decision.  All my best.  Phyllis 

lewisfamily…
Tigard, OR
Joined: Oct 2007
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May 3, 2008 05:21 pm lewisfamily503 wrote:

Hi Kate! Sorry you are dealing with this! I am just echoing Cat when she said she did a bilateral so she wouldn't have to do radiation or Tamoxifen. That is exactly the decision I arrived at once I did all my research. For me, the possible risks were just too much for me. After all, SOMEONE has to be the 1% you hear about! The bilateral hasn't been that bad for me, anyway. I was never attached to my breasts and really, since I have these expanders in, I feel so much better about my self image--I am going from DD to a B or small C once all is said and done!! No more bouncing around and being in pain. I am going to take up running again, after my exchange in June. Please feel free to PM me anytime if you need any more info or just want to chat! Good luck to you!
Anne

Anne
Dx 10/19/2007, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+
my3girls
OH
Joined: Nov 2007
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May 3, 2008 05:58 pm my3girls wrote:

Hi Kate,

I had a unilateral mast in Oct. 07. I started Tamox right after. So, I have been taking it for 6 months. I was worried about the side effects. At first I had a little bit of joint pain, and other aches and pains, but very minor. After a few months those went away.  I did start having more hot flashes, again those for me were very minor and manageable.  Since my reconstruction in Feb. I start taking effexor for some slight depression, and now I don't experience any hot flashes.

Overall, and this is my own personal feelings, I feel the tamox is one more safe guard for this dreaded disease not to return.  I have no family history of bc. I have since had mammogram, bone scans and a biopsy on my uterus, and all have come back clear.

I hope this helps in your decision making.

I am glad you are looking for another oc.  You really need to have a great relationship with your oc.

Good luck to you.

Lisa

Worry is for "shit"! Live, Laugh, Love!
Dx 3/6/2007, IDC, 3cm, Stage II, Grade 2, 0/22 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
louishenry
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May 3, 2008 06:51 pm, edited May 3, 2008 06:58 PM by louishenry louishenry wrote:

Hi Kate. I, too put off tamox for awhile because of fear. Honestly, it's not a big deal. I am 46 and pre-menopausal. My cycles are regular now, but lighter. They weren't regular early on with tamox. I do not get hot flashes, but I get mild night sweats a few times a week. I have not gained any weight, although my docs said it wasn't a side effect in most women. I have been getting a vaginal us every 6 months to check my lining as well as the fibroids I had before DCIS. My docs told me to try it. If it was a problem, get off. The risk of stoke is very rare, especially if you are an active woman. The risk of uterine cancer is about 1 in a thousand, I think, and that is mostly post-men. women. The hot flash issue is only about 30-40 % and with many women, they are very mild. I know tamoxifen isn't an absolute with Dcis women. Many docs give it, many don't. I think maybe try it for a month or two. Honestly, it's really been ok. Hope this helps. Nada

Dcis May 2007, 4mm, low to intermediate grade, no rads er / pr +. Tamoxifen September 2007
geebung
Australia
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May 3, 2008 11:43 pm geebung wrote:

Hi Kate,

I had just turned 50 last year when I was dx with DCIS. I was premenopausal at that stage. Had a lumptectomy, which showed that it was grade 2 and extensive (at least 5.5 cms), dirty margins and suspected microinvasion. Had uni mastectomy which showed that I had quite a bit of grade 3 as well but thankfully, no invasion. My surgeon did not mention Tamoxifen, did not refer me to an onc, and assured me that I have a miniscule risk of recurrence. I have no family history of bc. I am quite comfortable with not taking Tamoxifen but each person is different and I think you should decide on whether to take it or not with the guidance of your onc. 

Good luck with your decision.

gb 

danix5
Stafford, VA
Joined: Nov 2007
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May 4, 2008 09:42 am danix5 wrote:

I have chosen to not do rads or take tamox.  Instead I had bilateral in Jan and I am having total hyster with ovaries etc.. removed on May 20.  I was er/pr+.  It will be surgiacal menapause for me!  I felt I did not want to take any drug that had possible cancer risks.

I did have an unusual case in the fact I had 11 current tumors, most were fibroadenomas tha tI have been dealing with since I was a teen.  They feel they were estrogen driven.  Total hyster just makes more sense for ME.

Hope that helps!

Best to you,

Daniella

Dani
Dx 10/23/2007, DCIS, 2cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+
DAPHNESPLAC…
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May 4, 2008 07:45 pm DAPHNESPLACE wrote:

louishenry, I would like to know more about the fibroids & tamox.  i have fibroids, am scheduled for mast, but undecided on tamox. will if make the fibroids worse? any info will be helpful-thanks

12954
PA
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 329
May 4, 2008 07:47 pm 12954 wrote:

Kate

 As everyone here as pointed out it is a personal decision. Noone has exactly the same history or circumstances. I was also diagnosed  with DCIS in sept 07 after excisional biopsy for a small area of microcalcifications. I opted for a unilateral mastectomy largely to avoid rads( and because I was convinced  a lumpectomy would be nearly a mast in my case). I haven't had the tamox discussion with anyone formally. When I originally opted for the mx- the surgeon said I wouldn't need anything else. I disliked her enough to never go back after my initial post surgery visit. Unfortunately because I had no margins I had to have rads. It was the rad onc that pushed for tamoxifen ( she also was the one who wanted me to see an onc). I don't want tamoxifen right now because I have the periods from hell and don't want the risk of increased lining, fibroids, etc. I am not willing to do the constant monitoring that it would require. I know Tamox would decrease my odds, but I can't get real stats for my risks of recurrence. I also know that odds are just that- odds. I could do nothing and be completely clear or do everything and still have a recurrence.  I think with the mast and the rads the only thing I have to worry about is the remaining breast. When I see my GP this summer I'll talk with her. I may change my mind, but for now I'm not taking anything. I did see an oncologist, but she got so sidetracked with my anemia and all the tests she wanted to do for that, I didn't schedule a second appointment with her.

DAPHNESPLAC…
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May 4, 2008 07:50 pm DAPHNESPLACE wrote:

12954--that is what i am afraid of--my surg states a mast is a "surgical cure", but what if there are no margins? i guess rad like you had to have

louishenry
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May 5, 2008 07:44 am louishenry wrote:

Hi Daphne. Yes, tamox may make your fibroids grow larger and thicken the lining. It's an anti-estrogen in the breasts but not anywhere else. Not everyone has an issue, though. I haven't yet, but I am still in the first year. I get a vaginal us twice a year to check all that. If they grow crazy, I will remove them. I have a huge family history of fibroids; every female in my family over 40 has had to get them removed. I am 46. If I am over 48 when this happens, I will take my ovaries. Nada

Dcis May 2007, 4mm, low to intermediate grade, no rads er / pr +. Tamoxifen September 2007
Kate14
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May 5, 2008 09:48 am Kate14 wrote:

Thanks for the feedback everyone! I mentioned to my surgeon that since the risk without tam. was 10-12% that meant there was approx. 90% chance that it wouldn't come back he said "I think you're reading that wrong". He never did explain nor did I think fast enough to ask him what was wrong with my interpretation. Anyone understand this?

12954
PA
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May 5, 2008 02:59 pm 12954 wrote:

I'd ask for another explanation. as a math teacher 10-12% chance of recurrence absolutely implies 88-90% chance of no recurrence. Is it 10-12% in either breast or just the treated one.

Trish

cac74wdo
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May 5, 2008 09:45 pm cac74wdo wrote:

I was told that taking tamoxifin reduced the chance by 7-8% of it recurring, so meaning 92-93% that it will come back... Not good enough odds for the SE's for me!

Kate14
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May 9, 2008 09:42 am Kate14 wrote:

Hmmm,that's scarey-perhaps that's what the surgeon meant. I was originally told that the chance of recurrence was 10-12% and that tam. reduced it by half.

Kate14
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May 9, 2008 09:45 am Kate14 wrote:

At the time,I didn't think to ask if he meant both breasts or the treated one. I do remember the rad onc saying that usually if/when it reoccurs it usually came back as invasive. Will ask my new onc all these questions when I see him.

12954
PA
Joined: Oct 2007
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May 9, 2008 11:46 am 12954 wrote:

reducing the odds by 7-8% does not mean, you have 90+% chance of it coming back. You need to know what the originial chance of recurrence was. If the chance of it originially coming back was 30% than a 7% reduction is .07 (30) or 2.1% less.( new stat about 28%) I had usually heard a 40-50% reduction for tamoxifen, but if the originial risk  of recurrence is only 14% a 50% reduction is 7% less

The stattistic get confusing

trish

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