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Topic: TOPO II TEST

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Joined: Mar 2008
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  • Posted on: Apr 20, 2008 03:40 pm
tomatojuice wrote:

Has anyone had this test? And, does anyone know how long it would take to get it?


Dx 2/26/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 3/18 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Cathy-CA
Joined: Jan 2008
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Apr 20, 2008 03:50 pm Cathy-CA wrote:

I did not have it and here's why.  I discussed it with my onc and her concern was that only one study shows a link between topo 2 and adriamycin's effectivenss.  That study (according to her) was a retrospective study meaning they went back and looked at existing data rather than designing a study to specifically test for this.  There can be unaccounted for variables in a retrospective study that end up leading to conclusions that can't be replicated.  She felt my learning whether or not I was topo 2 shouldn't be the sole basis for making a treatment decision.  That's not to say that new research may not come along that makes it as important to know as Her2 or hormone receptor status, but for now, she felt it wasn't critical information.  Her explanation made sense to me and since I had already decided I didn't want adriamycin, I didn't bother with the test. 

I can't believe that postponing the start of chemo by a week or two to wait for results will be a problem for your oncologist.  Since attitude is such an important piece of the equation, if you feel more confident in your decision by testing for this first, you should do it.


Dx 10/24/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
TenderIsOur…
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 2913
Apr 20, 2008 05:23 pm, edited Apr 20, 2008 05:50 PM by TenderIsOurMight TenderIsOurMight wrote:


Recently, in their 2007 publication: " American Society of Clinical Oncology 2007 Update of
Recommendations for the Use of Tumor Markers in Breast Cancer"
(JOURNAL OF CLINICAL ONCOLOGY VO L U M E 2 5 N O V E M B E R 2 0 2 0 0 7)

testing for topoisomerase II was discouraged: " the uncertainty regarding the biologic relationship between Topo II protein expression, copy number, proliferation, and benefit from anthracylines makes assessment of Topo II unreliable at this time. " (page 5293)

Additionally you may find the following pertinent for your consideration:

"Sensitivity to Chemotherapy 2007

Level II evidence (prospective therapeutic trials in which marker utility is a secondary study
objective) suggests that overexpression of HER2 (3􏰀 by protein or
􏰁 2.0 FISH ratio by gene amplification) identifies patients who have
greater benefit from anthracycline-based adjuvant therapy. If a clini-
cian is considering chemotherapy for a patient with HER2-positive
breast cancer, it is recommended that an anthracycline be strongly
considered, assuming there are no contraindications to anthracycline
therapy. In the context of trastuzumab therapy, there is Level I evi-
dence (single, high-powered, prospective, randomized controlled tri-
als specifically designed to test the marker or a meta-analyses of well-
designed studies) that a nonanthracycline regimen may produce
similar outcomes.

At present, the Update Committee does not recom-
mend that HER2 be used to guide use of taxane chemotherapy in the
adjuvant setting.

The previous discussion notwithstanding, most correlative
studies have suggested that HER2 amplification and/or overex-
pression identifies those patients in randomized trials who benefit
from anthracycline-based chemotherapy compared with CMF,
while in HER2-negative patients there appears to be no difference
between the two regimens.115,130,131 Thus, given the weight of the
evidence for HER2, it seems prudent to recommend anthracycline-
based adjuvant chemotherapy for a patient with HER2-positive
breast cancer, assuming adjuvant chemotherapy is indicated, the
patient has no contraindication to an anthracycline, and trastu-
zumab administration is not planned. " (page 5293)

The full text of the above (and more) may be read at:

http://jco.ascopubs.org/cgi/reprint/25/33/5287?ijkey=a75a4d93695e979f5051f481ad4240fb61bc7713

It cannot be emphasized too strongly that treatment of each patient is a highly individualized matter. (FDA-approved labeling for warfarin (Coumadin) NDA 9-218/5-105)
TenderIsOur…
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Apr 20, 2008 05:54 pm TenderIsOurMight wrote:


Tomato juice,

Did you see the TCH vs ACTH thread under HER disease? It's a well developed thread, lots of posts to it, and you may find some peace in what the ladies said as they apply to your concerns.

Just wish to make sure you're aware it is there, before tomorrow when you get your chemo.

Sorry for your struggles with this decision.
Tender

It cannot be emphasized too strongly that treatment of each patient is a highly individualized matter. (FDA-approved labeling for warfarin (Coumadin) NDA 9-218/5-105)
Erica2
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 80
Apr 21, 2008 07:19 am Erica2 wrote:

Cathy and TomatoJuice, I didn't get the TOPO test either. In my case my oncol was pushing me hard to start therapy. I was 7 or 8 weeks beyond DX and he thought that was getting very near the limit of what he was comfortable with. In my case from all that I had read I really didn't think the test would have changed my decision anyway so there was no need. Glad you are near the end. Also good for you for not postponning the fun things in life in the midst of all this. Distractions are good for the soul.

Thanks for being here...

katymom
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 133
Apr 22, 2008 09:31 pm katymom wrote:

Tomatojuice:

I did have the topIIA test......I have read good reports on it...  I am her2 positive, ER+.  My topIIA test was non amplified which means that the anthracyclines would not have been as effective for me.  Therefore, I chose to go with TCH.....based on the BCIRG0006 clinical trial.  It didn't take long to get the blood test back from the lab in California.....Good luck with your decision.  I am personally glad that I did not have to combine an anthracycline with Herceptin.

janet11
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 449
May 7, 2008 04:11 pm janet11 wrote:

My onc requested the topoII test for me too, and based on its results, I had TCH.  That was over a year ago. She says that now she wouldn't request the test, but she would STILL have recommended TCH for me.

Janet 


Dx 7/21/2006, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
AlaskaAngel…
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 85
May 7, 2008 05:33 pm, edited May 7, 2008 05:33 PM by AlaskaAngel AlaskaAngel wrote:

Hi Janet!

I was treated 6 years ago before there was any real info about TOPO II,  but I'd love to know my TOPO II just out of pure curiousity since I am still NED and I never had either a taxane or trastuzumab. But sadly back then the treatment was not AC it was CAF, so I did get the 5-FU (reported to cause chemobrain damage that gets worse as time goes by). Likely some of the drugs used currently will have long-term adverse effects as well, and we just don't know yet what they are. We just have to hope for the best.

A.A.


Dx 12/3/2001, IDC, 1.6 cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes SNB, ER+/PR+, HER2+++

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