Hi. I am 47 years old and have just undergone bilateral mastectomy for DCIS in rt. and LCIS in lt. My path report was negative for invasive cancer and my lymph nodes were negative. I am having tissue expansion reconstruction with implants. The issue is that the margin on the tumor was "close" <1mm at the superficial margin (skin). My onc. surgeon says that she was very aggresive and that she believes that I am "safe." The med onc. thinks I should strongly consider radiation, particularly because of my age, even though the cancer was DCIS grade 2. The plastic surgeons suggest very dire consequences for the reconstruction if I have the radiation. Has anyone had this issue? Has anyone been referred to any studies that have specifically looked at recurrence rates for patients with close margins after mastectomy for DCIS. ?
After the painful decision to choose mastectomy (which I'm really pretty content with) I am really struggling with this decision, especially in light of being totally unprepared for this outcome.
Any thoughts?
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Beesie Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 3383 |
Sep 26, 2007 01:04 pm
Beesie wrote:
I did a web search to see what I could find about this. Here's one article: http://patient-research.elsevier.com/patientresearch/displayAbs?key=S1072751507001536 It mentions a 5% recurrence rate, but this is for high grade DCIS with <1mm margins. The suggestion here is for either a re-excision or radiation. In my case, I had 1mm margins at the incision on my skin after my skin-sparing mastectomy. Both my surgeon and oncologist agreed that radiation wasn't required. While there is some risk of recurrence, both felt that it was only 1%-2%. As my surgeon explained it, although some breast tissue might remain against the skin and chest wall, DCIS is contained only within the milk ducts and it's highly unlikely that any milk ducts remain after the surgical scraping. So he felt that small margins are fine for DCIS after a mastectomy. This certainly wouldn't be true with IDC, which can be found within the small amount of breast tissue that remains after a mastectomy. And it wouldn't be true after a lumpectomy for DCIS, since milk ducts would remain in the breast. The other point that he made is that if I do have a recurrence, it will be evident quite early on, right on the surface of my breast and likely, at the incision. With an implant placed behind the chest muscle, the chest wall and skin are pressed together right at the surface of the breast. This makes it easier (relatively speaking) to detect recurrences. Even with that explanation, I was a bit nervous. I resolved that by asking my PS to remove an extra small area of skin near the incision. She did this during the replacement surgery, when I had the expander removed and implant added. The incision had to be opened anyway for this surgery and because it hadn't healed all that smoothly, she probably would have done this anyway. If your close margins are near the incision point, this could be an option for you. BTW, I was 49 at the time of my surgery, and my DCIS was Grade 3 with comedonecrosis and a microinvasion (though the microinvasion was nowhere near the close margin). |
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lollybeth Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 39 |
Sep 26, 2007 06:41 pm
lollybeth wrote:
Thanks, I will definitely look at the link. Your comments reflect what my surgeon said about the likelihood of recurrence and the relative "ease" of detection of a recurrence on the surface. The medical oncologist is the one who raised this issue, and I'm trying to figure out whether this would really be over-treatment or not. Each speciality seems to have its own agenda and it's hard to figure it all out. None of the treatment decision -trees seem to contemplate further treatment after mastectomy for DCIS and make no mention of margins. I will check out the idea of taking some of the skin from my biopsy site (which is actually in a "good place" cosmetically) at the time my expanders are changed out with my plastic surgeon. Good health to you. |
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PeaceMom Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1 |
Apr 6, 2008 11:14 am
PeaceMom wrote:
Hi, I am 42 and recently had a bilateral mastectomy. I had both DCIS and a small amount of invasive cancer in one breast. I opted for a double mastectomy because I am also poitive for the BRCA 1 mutation. I am now considering my options for further treatment. The radiation oncologist I have spoken to recommended radiation because of the amount of DCIS and other factors. She recommends this despite the fact that it is not the standard of care. I would be very interested to know what your final decision was regarding further treatment. Thanks so much. |
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lollybeth Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 39 |
Apr 11, 2008 05:44 pm
lollybeth wrote:
Peacemom, My case went before the tumor board and they agreed that the risks of radiation in my case outweighed the benefits. I had "only" DCIS, "only" one close margin and that was on the skin side. Your microinvasion might make a difference in your treatment plan.... |
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Looneymom Joined: May 2008 Posts: 92 |
Aug 18, 2008 02:51 pm
Looneymom wrote:
Hey Lollbeth - not sure if you will see this - but I am looking for infor. on same infor. similar dx, I am getting cold feet and will not start my rads until Sept ( I will be 12 weeks out from Mast, but had infection and other surgeries in July) I am really looking to someone that has been through this issue with risks of radiaiton - how decided your case outweighed the benefits. I am finding more infor. about the long term effect rads everyday - not to mention my risk of losing implants later. Any help would be appreciated. Holly Looneymom
Dx 5/6/2008, DCIS, 6cm+, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR- |
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sheesh1961 Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 1 |
Aug 19, 2008 03:49 pm
sheesh1961 wrote:
Hi all -- I'm new to this forum, I just had a bilateral mastectomy last Wednesday (Aug. 13) with DCIS diagnosed only on the left side (6 and 7 o'clock). My surgeon just called with pathology results and I'm almost identical to lollybeth -- lymph and invasive are both negative, but margin was less than 1mm. This isn't at incision site -- it's almost where the breast meets the chest wall. More DCIS was found in the left, and atypical hyperplasia on the right. I have my followup with my oncologist on Aug. 27, so I'll be curious to see what he says about treatment and I"ll post again then. I also have a followup with my plastic surgeon on Aug. 25, so I'll ask him too about options. It makes sense that with DCIS, if the milk ducts aren't up against the skin, the chance of any remaining cancer cells seems like it would be small, but could some cancer cells migrate during surgery I wonder? Just throwing that out -- I have no idea if that's possible. My breast surgeon definitely seemed concerned about the close margin. Sheila |
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Looneymom Joined: May 2008 Posts: 92 |
Aug 19, 2008 04:19 pm
Looneymom wrote:
Sheila - you might need to send her a PM, I have very similar to yours, My bi-mast June 3. I you. We can try to keep up with each other progress. There are not many of us out there with those close margins, Do you know the grade of your cancer. I will PM you. Holly Looneymom
Dx 5/6/2008, DCIS, 6cm+, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR- |
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slcleveland
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 3 |
Aug 19, 2008 05:33 pm, edited Aug 19, 2008 05:38 PM
by slcleveland
slcleveland wrote:
Hi, lollybeth, If your doctors feel that the benefits of you not having radiation outweigh having it, I would probably go with the doctor's recommendation. I had radiation 38 times on my left side, up to my neck, under my left arm, and almost down to my waist. I am triple negative and had lymph node involvement, however, but I think every treatment you can take to prevent reoccurence is definitely worth it. I know you want reconstruction, but the treatment is worth the wait if it gives you a better chance of no reoccurrence. I decided against reconstruction, at this point, because I still have my right breast and I could not do the "inlfation" procedure because of my size. Right now, I am okay with the prosthesis. And, I'm not really experiencing much in the way of side effects from the radiation, but it seems like my chemo side effects keep lingering on. Dx 10/4/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIIb, Grade 3, 4/16 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- |
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lollybeth Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 39 |
Aug 20, 2008 04:18 pm
lollybeth wrote:
Ladies, please feel free to PM me and we can talk more extensively. I don't all of the considerations, but I do know that factors that weighed against radiation for me included: no microinvasions, lower grade (2), location of close margin (skin) and the fact that there was only one close margin. lollybeth |
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Mandy1313 Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 11 |
Aug 24, 2008 05:31 pm
Mandy1313 wrote:
In 1985, my situation was similar to lollybeth's....I had DCIS and a mastectomy. I had 0/35 nodes. There was a close margin. The doctors at U Penn recommended radiation. The doctors at NYU and at Dana Farber both did not recommend radiation. Dana Farber looked at my pathology and was certain there was a margin before they made the recommendation. So I did not have the radiation. And I have not had a chest wall recurrence or any problems. But this is one where I would think that getting a second opinionwould be very helpful. In my case since my second opinion was so different, I got a third opinion. All the best to you. Mandy |
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