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  • Posted on: May 15, 2008 11:17 am
ICanDoThis wrote:

This was published today in the Dr's Guide Media Review

 Preoperative topical 4% liposomal lidocaine (LLC) significantly decreases the perception of pain during sentinel lymph node (SLN) biopsy injections, without any compromise in lymph node identification, investigators reported here at the 9th Annual Meeting of the American Society of Breast Surgeons (ASBS 2008).

SLN biopsy is an essential component of breast cancer staging and requires that radioactive tracer technetium 99 sulfur colloid be injected into the periareolar area. This process is known to cause pain and anxiety among patients, according to researcher Daniela J. Schupp, MD, Surgery Fellow, Inova Fairfax Hospital, Falls Church, Virginia.

To determine the effect of LLC cream on pain and adverse effects, Dr. Schupp and colleagues performed a prospective, randomised, double-blinded study. They enrolled 42 patients aged 18 years or more who presented to the outpatient surgery centre and were not breastfeeding, had no lidocaine allergies, and had no prior periareolar surgeries.

Patients received either placebo or 4% LLC cream to their areola with a 1-cm margin prior to SLN injection.

The study's endpoint was perceived differences in anxiety and pain due to SLN injections as evaluated before the creams were applied and then within minutes after the injections as measured with a 2- to 10-point visual analogue scale. The researchers analysed the data using Wilcoxon rank tests.

Caucasian women comprised the majority of patients (88%), the average age was 55 years, and the average weight was 75.7 kg. None of the patients had signs of an allergic reaction to the creams. Participants received injections within a mean time of 32.2 minutes (SD, 12.2).

The difference in pain perception among the 20 patients in the LLC group and the 22 patients in the placebo group was statistically significant (P = .052). The lidocaine group reported a 1-point increase in median pain score from baseline (P = .002), and the placebo group had a 4-point median increase from baseline (P < .001).

"Anxiety is not affected by placebo or lidocaine cream application," Dr. Schupp noted in a presentation on May 3. Levels of anxiety before and after the injections were the same in the 2 groups, and there was 100% lymph node identification in both groups (P = .5).


Dx 12/28/2007, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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ICanDoThis
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May 15, 2008 11:22 am, edited May 15, 2008 11:35 AM by ICanDoThis ICanDoThis wrote:

Idiots. The pain is real, and women are scared.

I didn't have wire excision - my surgeon was part of the Phase III trial for SNBs and he knew what he was doing, so he was comfortable skipping this - he just used the blue dye.

I should add that this was not part of the Breast Center's offerings, but my husband and I could not figure out how to get our LD daughter to school while simultaneously getting me to the breast center (They won't operate unless there is someone affixed to the waiting room). All of our backup plans fell through - so he did the surgery outside the main hospital without wire excision.

Looking back, I am very grateful.


Dx 12/28/2007, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Sassa
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May 15, 2008 12:05 pm Sassa wrote:

I'm confused  - guide wire placement for an excision biopsy (title of thread) is different the the injection of the dye/radioactive sugar for sentinel node biopsy (subject of article).

I had both procedures done.

I had pain numbing done for the guide wire placements (4) and felt no pain.

I did not have pain numbing for the sentinel node biopsy injections and barely made it through the injections (4 placed around the nipple) because of the pain.


Dx 12/6/2006, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/9 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
ICanDoThis
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May 15, 2008 12:24 pm ICanDoThis wrote:

you're right, and I'm wrong, I used the wrong title.

Do you know how I can fix this?

Sue


Dx 12/28/2007, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
Rafaela
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Jun 30, 2008 11:26 am Rafaela wrote:

I had a wire guided lumpectomy on 6/12 and just scheduled 2nd surgery for 7/10 to clear margins and remove sentinel lymph node. I'm concerned about having the SLN injection. When I asked the breast surgeon's nurse about if they numb the area before doing the injection, she didn't know the answer. I am a wimp when it comes to pain and very nervous about that part. I was also a wreck about having the wire inserted, but they gave me lots of lidocaine and it wasn't too bad.

What is the standard procedure when you get the injection? I'm scheduled in nuclear medicine for the injection at 11and scheduled for surgery at 1:30. Can I insist on being numbed up before the injection?


Dx 6/20/2008, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, 0/0 nodes
lvtwoqlt
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Jun 30, 2008 11:38 am lvtwoqlt wrote:

Rafaela,

I had SNB done bi-laterally last June 1, I asked about numbing the area and the radiologist at my hospital that was doing the injections (6 on each side) about numbing the area and he said that the lidocaine injections would 'dilute' the dye because it all goes to the lymph and he did not numb. I got through the injections by doing deep breathing and focusing on a point on the celing or opposite wall from where he was working (so I would not see the needles) and praying my way through it.

 The radiologist is the one to ask about numbing the area. I have heard several people on the boards say that their center used the lydocaine cream to topically numb the area without injections.

Good luck on the next procedure.

Sheila

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