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  • Posted on: Apr 24, 2008 12:46 am
alltheroses wrote:

I am extremely upset having to make a decisio about whether to havea mastectomy or a lumpectomy to get the cancer out and have the sentinel node tested

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swimangel72…
Joined: Feb 2008
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Apr 24, 2008 12:54 am swimangel72 wrote:

Hi Roses - I'm so sorry you are having to go through this excruciating decision! It's definitely a bummer.......but I hope we can help you through the process here on this board. It took me about a month to finalize my decision for a mastectomy - but there are so many individual factors that play into the decision. For me it was made easier because I'm 53 years old and wasn't "in-love" with my breasts ever. Afterwards, when they finally found out I was Her2+, I felt vindicated because the aggressive nature of my cancer gave me a sense of relief that I too behaved aggressively in this war. So I hope you'll get the information and support you'll need at this crucial time of your life!


Dx 2/5/2008, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/7 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
Coltsneck
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 245
Apr 27, 2008 11:38 am Coltsneck wrote:

Did the surgeon have a recommendation?  My surgeon said I could choose mastectomy or lumpectomy with snb but that he thought given my situation he would recommend a lumpectomy.  It always comes down to your choice, but the best thing is to get a second opinion so that you feel more comfortable with your decision.

henny
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 57
Apr 27, 2008 01:03 pm henny wrote:

Hi Roses
I also had bilat mastectomies. I had thought before I ever got cancer that if I ever did I would just get rid of those puppies because they had already done their job nursing my kids and at 54 they were getting saggy (my mom had breasts that were so saggy they would accidentally get tucked into her pants-not a pretty picture).

I had an additional dcis on the right side and a lobular carcinoma on the left that were a complete surprise so I'm glad I had the surgeries.

I do have to say that the reconstruction added to my year of misery. My chest was uncomfortable
and painful the whole time I had the spacers in. Not bad enough to take any pain meds but always a reminder. Now that I'm 7 months past the final recon and 4 months past nipple reconstruction I feel great. I have breasts that will never reach my waist and can wear tank tops with comfort. At the recommendationof my ps I had the silicone implants. The saline ones work but most are quite hard.

My niece had a lumpectomy with rads. She had a different relationship with her breasts and felt they were more linked to her feminity than I felt, so lumpectomy was the right choice for her.

Which ever way you go it will be the right choice for you.
These are tough decisions but in retrospect I see that for me having to make them, helped me figure out who I am and what I value

All the best
Henny

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Dx 3/2007, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 1/15 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
prettyinpin…
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Apr 29, 2008 09:16 pm prettyinpink100 wrote:

Like Henny, I was ready to do whatever I needed. I told the surgeon that my breasts had served my family well and that they were at the point where I had to stuff them into my bra. He said that a lumpectomy would be fine.

However, the pathology report said that I had positive margins so I ended up with a mastectomy. They found several lumps, microscopic to 1.4 cm in size. I chose to have the other breast removed as the cancer had caught us by surprise in the other. I didn't want to be in the position to lose the other axillary lymph nodes as that causes more problems than the mastectomy.

In the end I wish I had just had the mast right away. I wonder about where the remaining cancer cells travelled to after the lymph nodes were taken out. But we all made the decision based on what we knew at the time.

There is no way to know exactly what is going on until they actually get in there and do the tests. I can tell you that I have been quite happy with the bilat mast and have not had reconstruction. I do have a fine pair of boobs that I can wear if I want but I find being boobless quite liberating.


Dx 2/1/2007, IDC, , Stage IIIb, Grade 2, 9/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
danismom
Joined: May 2008
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May 4, 2008 10:20 pm danismom wrote:

Hi, I'm really new at this.  I haven't really been able to talk to anyone that has been diagnosed with breast cancer since I found out on March 7.  I guess I've been in denial.  I had a lumpectomy and lymph nodes removed on April 2.  I had my first appointment with the Oncologist April 29.  I have negitative hormone receptors so I will be taking chemo and radiation.  To be very honest with everyone, I am terrified.  I start Chemo on May 13.  I've had blood vessels break and part of my incision has opened up and I can't seem to get it to heal.  I've been on antibotics ever since my surgery.  So now my breast hurts so bad from the broken vessels that I'm starting to get depressed and just want to cry.  Been fighting tears for two days now.  I know I should be positive but it just gets very hard sometime.  Need your help!

otter
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 2145
May 4, 2008 10:38 pm, edited May 4, 2008 10:39 PM by otter otter wrote:

danismom,

One of the rules here is that you DO NOT have to be positive all the time.  Everybody on the "outside" might think that, but most of us here realize that "being positive" is sometimes impossible, and often doesn't help us very much. It makes other people happy, but it makes us feel guilty when we can't be positive.  And, honestly, BC cells don't care if we are positive or not.  They really don't.

Of course, if you are occasionally able to face things with an optimistic attitude, it will make your day more pleasant (again, especially for everybody else). And, if you find yourself sad and crying all the time, it would probably be a good idea to talk to your doctor to see if he/she can help you out.  You need to be able to function on a day-to-day basis, and not have BC overwhelm you completely.

But, the problems we have to face every day, and the decisions we are forced to make, and the precious things we lose as a result of this disease (our breasts, our hair, our eyelashes, our dignity, months and years out of our lives), would make any normal person depressed.

The fear you feel is very familiar to all of us.  Please know that you can write your feelings here on these BCO boards, and someone will answer and try to help you.

What type of chemo will you be receiving?  Many of us here are getting chemo.  I am in the middle of a 12-week regimen of Taxotere & Cytoxan--I have my next (3rd) treatment on May 14.  There are lots of other women, on the chemo and radiation sections of the BCO boards.  We can help you get through it.

Hugs,

otter 

 


Dx 1/14/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
ICanDoThis
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 310
May 4, 2008 10:38 pm ICanDoThis wrote:

Danismom

You DO NOT have to be positive. What you are going through is really hard, and all your feelings are 100% appropriate.

I got an infection between surgery and radiation, and I was so tired and beat-up-feeling for the whole time.

Feel free to come here and yell, scream, or whine, anytime you want

Sue

IDC 1.5 cm, 0 of 3 nodes, ER/PR+, Her -

flyrzfan
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 303
May 4, 2008 10:42 pm flyrzfan wrote:

danismom - i wish i could just give you a big old hug. this has been going on a while for you to just now be able to vent....all i can tell you is i have been through hell myself so i know how you feel -and all i can say is you will get through this. go ahead and cry, we need it...we deserve it...and you will feel better for it. positive only comes on its own, you cant force it so just feel what you are feeling in the moment. let us help

the sun will come up ~ tomorrow
Dx 3/21/2008, IDC, 1cm, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
danismom
Joined: May 2008
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May 5, 2008 12:57 pm danismom wrote:

Otter, ICanDoThis, and Flyrzfan......THANK YOU!!!  I guess I have been hurting so long it's finally wearing on my nerves.  I'm better today.  Saw the radiologist this morning and will see my surgeon this afternoon.  Hopefully he can relieve some of this pain.  The chemo is so scary.  Not knowing what side effects it will have on me plus I don't handle the unknown well.  At least I'm not in crying at the drop of a hat today.  Thanks for telling me it's ok to cry.  I thought I was being weak and just really feeling sorry for myself.  I never thought I would have cancer.  My mother and her side of the family always had heart problems.  I never really new my father, they divorced when I was young and he only came to see me once, so I didn't think about his side of the family.  This has really been a tough pill to swallow.  My family has been so supportative and good to me so you can understand why I have felt like I should be stronger.  And I've tried, but the day to start chemo is getting closer and closer now and and I am just totally terrified.  Otter you ask what I will be taking..I will be taking the same as you, Taxotere and Cytaxan.  I'll only have to have 4 treatments every three weeks, then I'll start radiation every day for 6 weeks.  Please let me know how your treatments are going and side effects you are having.  Again, thanks to all of you!

seabreeze45…
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May 5, 2008 01:28 pm seabreeze45 wrote:

Hi Danismom.

It is okay to be emotional. Friday night as I was saying goodbye to my grandson outside a restaurant right in front of everyone out of the blue I bawled like a baby. I emailed my daughter later and said I was sorry for the emotional outburst and her reply was "You have every right to be be emotional".

This afternoon I am meeting with my oncologist as I have to now make some decisions on whether to go for another lumpectomy (already had one last year, another in March this year and a re excision and snb on April 21st) or to opt for a mastectomy. I am sure I will be pretty emotional then but I have learned that is OKAY!

Jill. 

otter
Joined: Jan 2008
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May 5, 2008 01:29 pm otter wrote:

Oh, wow, danismom, you are in luck!  There is a whole special thread (conversation) dedicted to those of us who are getting "only" Taxotere & Cytoxan.  Go over to the "Chemotherapy" section of the BCO boards, and check it out.  The "Taxotere and Cytoxan" thread should be pretty close to the top of the list, because it is really active.  There are LOTS of us there who are going through exactly what you will, and even some women who have finished their TC chemo and moved on to rads (or elsewhere), but keep coming back to help out.

We can give you lots of advice and suggestions over there. 

otter 


Dx 1/14/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
carol1949
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 49
May 5, 2008 01:58 pm carol1949 wrote:

Hi all.  I am also new to this.  I have invasive ductal c and also in the lypmph nodes, but my tumor is quite large and we are doing chemo prior to what they think can be a lumpectomy.  I also am 58 and am not interested in reconstruction as I know people who have had more complications from the reconstruction than from the cancer!  In making one's decision, I also think it depends on the person's comfort zone.  I am a firm believer in doing as much research for even complimentary treatments as well as  alternative.  I have a friend who had stage 2 breast cancer (invasive) but not in the lymphs and she did total alternatvie therapy and is healed still.  I would especially ask all of you to consider doing research on iodine.  If anyone has had thyroid problems and/or fybrocystic disease, I think you will find it most interesting.  There are studies to show it totally eradicates fibrocystic disease.  My oncologist thinks my cancer is thyroid related.

Blessings and peace to all. "We can beat this monster!"

danismom
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 18
May 5, 2008 09:05 pm danismom wrote:

Hi carol1949, I too am 58 and have thyroid problems.  I was diagnosed with that in December.  My tumor was not that big and was actually there last year and the radiologist missed it.  I can't help but wonder if it would be any different today if it had been diagnosed then and removed last year.  I was very lucky that it had not gotten into my lymph nodes though.  Mine was a stage 1, grade 3.  I think this has been the hardest thing I have ever had to face. 

Thank God for all of you and your kindness in helping each other. 

KKing
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 117
May 5, 2008 09:15 pm KKing wrote:

I also have been diagnosed with invasive dc.. i had a lumpectomy april 24th and I am waiting for the pathology report which I have an appt on May 13th..I know you have all been where I am now but I find it so hard not to think about the worst scenario... how did you handle the waiting

danismom
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 18
May 5, 2008 09:50 pm danismom wrote:

It is hard to not think the worse, even when you know what the pathology report says.  My doctor called me the next day with the results of my tests.  I had the lumpectomy, the lymph nodes removed, a bone scan, more blood work and a CT scan all the same day.  Now, my next step is Chemo on May 13.  It is hard to wait even 24 hours for the results.  I hope everything turns out good for you.  Can you call your doctor for the results?? 

mary6204
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 263
May 6, 2008 04:42 pm mary6204 wrote:

Roses, I'm sorry your going through a tough time.  I can't give advice but I can tell you my story.  My cancer was found on a routine mamm and it was very small stage 1, but since it was invasive grade 3 I though for sure I would have to have a mastectomy.  My surgeon who is the first choice surgeon from the oncology group I go to said he didn't feel it was necessary for me.  He said he see's reoccurances in woman who's had their breast removed and since it was stage 1 I elected to go along with him.  I had my 3rd out of 6 treatments of TCH (taxotere, carboplatin and herceptin today and I'm looking forward to the end.

I also agree with Danismom, waiting for the results of the biopsy, lymph nodes, scans and blood work is the hardest part.  I'm so grateful it didn't spread and I hate my boobs, but I'm still glad I didn't have to have one removed.  Good luck, Mary


Dx 2/7/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
JaniceWA
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7
May 6, 2008 04:54 pm JaniceWA wrote:

Kking...the waiting IS THE WORST!!  I'm almost done with chemo and I swear the waiting has been the worst of it for me anyhow!  I wish I had some advice to make this time easier...I did get a massage during that time and now I'm hooked to them...I would suggest anything you can do to pass the time and relax...Best of luck to you


Dx 1/21/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage Ib, Grade 1, 0/7 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
footprintsa…
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 446
May 20, 2008 08:33 pm footprintsangel wrote:

Hi Everyone, I am stage 3 IDC and have been threw the ringer, High chemo, 4 surgerys and on arimindex. I am now fighting to get more help with other tests, Has anyone had thyroid cancer after breast cancer. I have 7 nodesin thyroid and they did a cat scan and said they dont look like cancer and they said the same about my breast cancer. Thanks, Debbie

Roots_in_Ne…
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 21
May 20, 2008 10:50 pm Roots_in_Nebraska wrote:

I had a lumpectomy, went to doctor yesterday and the path report follows.  Does anyone understand this?  Also, they told me I have to get surgery again in the same place for a DCIS.  I'm thinking it was a unclean border instead? 

 

LEFT BREAST, SEGMENTAL MASTECTOMY:

INVASIVE DUCTAL CARCINOMA, MODIFIED BLACK'S NUCLEAR GRADE 2 (INTERMEDIATE GRADE).

INVASIVE CARCINOMA MEASURES 1.0 CM IN MAXIMUM DIMENSION.

DUCTAL CARCINOMA IN SITU (DCIS), MODIFIED BLACK'S NUCLEAR GRADE 2 (INTERMEDIATE GRADE),

CRIBRIFORM AND MICRO PAPILLARY TYPES WITHOUT NECROSIS, COMPRISING LESS THAN 5% OF

THE TUMOR VOLUME.

INVASIVE CARCINOMA IS 5.0 MM FROM THE CLOSEST DEEP MARGIN, 8.0 MM FROM THE CLOSEST

SUPERIOR MARGIN, 9.0 MM FROM THE CLOSEST INFERIOR MARGIN AND GREATER THAN 1.0 CM

FROM ALL REMAINING MARGINS.

Lymphovascular invasion is not present.

Extensive columnar cell change with hyperplasia and focal flat epithelial atypia.

Fibrocystic changes with apocrine metaplasia, stromal fibrosis and cystically dilated ducts.

(D) LEFT BREAST, SUPERIOR MARGIN:

A SINGLE 2 MM FOCUS OF DUCTAL CARCINOMA IN SITU, MICRO PAPILLARY TYPE PRESENT LESS THAN 0.5

MM FROM THE NEW

SUPERIOR RESECTION MARGIN.

Columnar cell change with hyperplasia

Fibrocystic changes with stromal fibrosis, cystically dilated ducts and duct epithelial micropapillary hyperplasia.

amberyba
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 285
May 25, 2008 06:20 pm amberyba wrote:

the last part of the report states micro papillary type present less that 0.5mm for the new superior resection margin...it seems that all areas of the excised tumor had clear margins except this one....usually the surgeon has markers inside the surgery area so he has an excellent 2nd surgery to make sure he gets clear margins on the second surgery.

My breast surgeon told me they look for at least 2.0mm of clear margin so this part is 1.5 mm away from being clear.

And you have dcis as well as idc (ductal carcinoma in-situ and infiltrating ductal carcinoma)

also it is good that there is no lymph invasion or necrosis

My path report was very similar and the left breast (usually more common)

Best wishes on the next surgery and God Bless!

In Jesus Love,

Amber 

Amber Almond
Dx 2/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
AuntT
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 3
May 26, 2008 11:43 pm AuntT wrote:

hi everyone ,,, i am 13 days into knowing i have idc, all i know is my her2 is inconclusive and the doctor says we want it to stay in pathology for as long as it takes and we want it to be neg. so here is what my biopsy results say IDC moderantely differentiated, Nottingham grade 2(tubular formation2, nuclear grade3, mitotic index 1) can anyone help me understand this, because i don't and it really scares me LOTS!!! the doctor says my tumor is 12mm and i am a size DD and he really thinks we can get it doing a lumpectomy, and senteinal node removeal, instead of mass., can anyone help me with this in any way. my nerves are shot and i go in to surgery 6-6-08

mama3k
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 6
May 31, 2008 04:16 pm mama3k wrote:

Hi,

I was diagnosed in April after having my routine mammogram. I had a lumpectomy May 13 and then another one a week ago as the margins were not clear.Now they are clear and also my sentinal nodes were negative. I am grade I, ER & PR positve, HER-2/neu not amplified. Tumor grade Nottingham I of III , total Nottingham Score 4 of 9 ( which I don't understand this score?) I go back for follow up the end of next week. I am getting nervous about what is ahead. (the original plan was radiation after the lumpectomy and then the oral agents, so hope that has not changed. )My breast feels a lot more uncomfortable after this 2nd surgery.Need a pain pill at least once during the day, where as didn't need any the first time.And I agree with others posted on here ,that YES, we should be allowed to cry at times if we feel like it and not have to be BRAVE all the time. I  do want to be positive, but there are days when I am really feeling afraid of it all! Breast cancer was never anything I really worried about, just had my routine exams done each year and went on my way! So it can be a terrifying surprise when it comes back with that dreaded C word!  BLESS YOU ALL who are going thru this!

reen
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 4
Jun 8, 2008 11:40 am reen wrote:

Hi.  I'm new here.  I had breast cancer in 2005 and found out I now have invasive ductal carcinoma, lymph node positive.  This is a different cancer than my first.  I just had surgery on Friday.  She did a lumpectomy and took out a bunch of nodes that are being biopsied.  I'm really scared as this time it's invasive.  Any advice for treatment and piece of mind would be helpful.

Roots_in_Ne…
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Jun 14, 2008 11:31 pm, edited Jun 19, 2008 11:35 PM by Roots_in_Nebraska Roots_in_Nebraska wrote:

Reen,

I totally understand your fear.  I have IDC 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR ?, HER2 ?.  I can tell you that they've come a long way . . . I wish they were further.  When you get all the specifics, let me know.  I've had surgery twice (2 lumpectomies since the border wasn't clean) I'm afraid to find out my specifics but need to so I can also make a plan.  My sister had very aggressive breast cancer and is cancer free for 16 years now . . .

Lisa


Dx 3/25/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR-
reen
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Jun 19, 2008 08:18 am reen wrote:

Thanks for your response.  Good for your sister.  That's encouraging.  Did you find out your results yet? 

Roots_in_Ne…
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Jun 19, 2008 09:27 pm, edited Jun 19, 2008 11:35 PM by Roots_in_Nebraska Roots_in_Nebraska wrote:

I have an appointment with my surgeon this coming Monday and the oncologist Tuesday . . . I'm really scared.  Have you found out anything else yet?


Dx 3/25/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR-
reen
Joined: May 2008
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Jun 23, 2008 10:07 pm reen wrote:

I start chemo July 1 for 16 weeks.  This Friday I'm getting a port put in.  How did you make out at the surgeon.  Good luck at the oncologist tomorrow.  Let me know what happens.  I'm sorry you are scared.  It's hard not to be.  I'll be thinking of you.

pattierpm
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pattierpm
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Jun 24, 2008 08:06 pm pattierpm wrote:

I have just been diagnosed with an invasive ductal carcinoma with lobular features in my right breast.  The size is 2.5 x 3 and it is an irregular shape.  I am scheduled for a Bilateral Breast  MRI this Thursday 6/26/08.  Does anybody have any information on this type.  I am terrified.

The surgeon did a core biopsy and found the above results.  I am scheduled for a lumpectomy on 7/8/08 with the removal of the sentinel node.  I was told if the sentinel is cancer free none of the others have to be removed

I have Dana Farber, in Boston, in my area and called them for a 2nd opinion but they cannot even see me until 7/9 for a consult.  They advised I go through with the surgery and then bring them the results and then they will set up an appointment with the right department and doctors for my 2nd opinion and treatment advice.  Is that a normal procedure?

As you all know I am completely in the dark and cannot believe this is happening.  I am a 74 year old widow.  I live alone but have wonderful family and friends but all this is as confusing to them and their advice and feelings are all very encouraging but they are not equipped with first hand knowledge so I am asking your views.

Please excuse my ramblings but I feel I have just been hit by a thunderbolt.  I am glad I found this site and I have read quite a few of the messages posted but I am still very confused.

HELP me please

Pattie
Dx 6/12/2008, IDC, 3cm

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