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Posted on: Apr 9, 2011 03:15AM - edited Apr 3, 2018 06:00AM by sas-schatzi

sas-schatzi wrote:

Welcome. This is called the insomnia thread, but we post 24/7/365. We call ourselves Owlettes :)

No nastiness, bullying, stalking or such allowed. I would like to keep the kind fabric of this thread intact.

Discussion will flow where it will as all threads do. This will be a happy place. I hope with lots of laughing. Talk of things, needs, rants as your mood or thoughts take you. Each person here has a history of helping others. Threads develop pseudo family groups. Fancy way to say we become like family. This family will have all the best a family has to offer, but none of the negatives.

May help with sleeplessness: circadian rhythm, melatonin--pub med evidence based research. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21476953 Agometaline is approved for use in Europe/Australia for insomnia. It is NOT approved in the USA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agomelatine

How to naturally reset circadian rhythm with food : http://www.wisebread.com/how-to-naturally-reset-your-sleep-cycle-overnight

Article connecting insomnia and depression. It's a chicken egg thing-..............-insomnia <-----> depression.

http://blog.aarp.org/2013/12/02/is-curing-insomnia-key-to-curing-depression/?intcmp=AE-ENDART1-BL-REL

Second Sleep---The NORMAL for humans before the light bulb http://slumberwise.com/science/your-ancestors-didnt-sleep-like-you/

Autonomic dysfunction: http://www.holistichelp.net/dysautonomia-autonomic-nervous-system-dysfunction.html

BCO Member Notself's three day plan: 1. Get doc script for sleep aid, at lowest dose. 2. Set sleep time. 3. Take pill 1/2 hr to 1 hr before set time. 4. Do this for three days; 5. Should sleep on fourth night.. 6. Repeat steps 1-5 if sleeplessness has lasted more than one night.

Don'ts that are known to cause sleeplessness: Alcohol, coffee, chocolate, looking at computer screens before bedtime, sex and exersize(variable by person); Do's that promote sleep: Sex and exersize(variable by person) , book reading, foot massage, aromatherapy, sleepy teas. After dinner walk(variable).

Link to Warm & Fuzzy's (W&F) thread: Warm & fuzzy owls, goats, kitties, dogs, birds ETC. PICS &LINKS

For all our dear Sisters .........

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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out shouting "holy crap....what a ride".
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Apr 9, 2011 04:24AM hdangelbaby wrote:

I love this thread already! and, i know my "post chemo but having SE's and still taking painkillers" butt will be on here often!

BAGAWKKKKKK!!!

staying cancer free is my new full time job!! Dx 10/14/2010, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, 2/9 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Apr 9, 2011 06:11AM hdangelbaby wrote:

same here, i'm up till around 2, then i take something for sleep. so i will be here too!!!

staying cancer free is my new full time job!! Dx 10/14/2010, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, 2/9 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Apr 9, 2011 06:34AM voraciousreader wrote:

I'm in until I get my shoulder surgery at the end of the month. I have had interrupted sleep now for heaven knows how long!

Doctor told me regarding my prognosis that I WASN'T on the Titanic! Hmmm...Really?....Okay! 02/2010 Pure Mucinous Breast Cancer, Oncotype DX 15, Stage 1, Grade 1, 1.8 cm, 0/2 nodes, ER+ 90% /PR+ 70% HER2- (+1)
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Apr 9, 2011 07:01AM cathmg wrote:

I have a touch of depression that comes and goes, and along with it trouble with early waking sometimes. I will be sure to check in!

Dx 7/17/2008, ILC, 4cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 0/9 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Apr 9, 2011 10:03AM Valgal wrote:

Hi I'm early tonight! Good going SAS - How do we attract the Aussies though?

Dx 7/2/2010, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Apr 9, 2011 01:04PM - edited Jun 21, 2011 03:05AM by sas-schatzi

Hello, everyone glad we are going early. I see nor feel any sleep in site. I post the BCO url on a bunch of threads. I''ll take the 5th on what they were. There are several very funny threads. OMG, The stupidists things people have said, and You know you have cancer when etc...

Take and post the url on any site you are active on-----"all our welcome, all our welcome"--trivial pursuit --what movie is that a line from? had to to with ghosts.

Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out shouting "holy crap....what a ride".
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Apr 9, 2011 01:05PM - edited Jun 21, 2011 03:05AM by sas-schatzi

Valgal we'll Pm'em

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Apr 9, 2011 01:09PM - edited Jun 21, 2011 03:05AM by sas-schatzi

pm'em sandyAust and SHE

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Apr 9, 2011 01:34PM sas-schatzi wrote:

ANNe--the Aromasin is doing it to me , been there with arimidex, seeing the same pattern. Bad thing is my dear sweet dog thinks this is now normal. SO< she, waking me up when I am sleeping. UGGGH

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Apr 9, 2011 01:36PM - edited Jun 21, 2011 03:06AM by sas-schatzi

The other night no one was up so I just had a chat with the chickens in the manner of____________(played a psychologist, then and inn keeeper...Known for his hysterical phone conversations)

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Apr 9, 2011 01:39PM jo1955 wrote:

Hi Everyone.  I would like to join you.  

Anne - I am also one who goes to bed dead tired and end up wide awake and toss and turn.  I go to bed at 10:00 and am up sometimes until way past midnight. Then I have to try and get my tired behind out of bed early the next morning and go to work.  How frustrating is that?   

Jo - Lump, no chemo, 25 rads + 5 boosts, Tamox X5 years . cancerr free since Aug 30th, 2010. April 2014 - Latissimus Dorsi Flap Reconstruction. July 13, 2013 - Hysterectomy due to multiple uterine issues while on Tamoxifen.
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Apr 9, 2011 01:41PM - edited Jun 21, 2011 03:06AM by sas-schatzi

Jo welcome, I'd rather talk to you than the chickens. Who is the guy i"m trying to think of played opposite of Suzanne Pleshette

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Apr 9, 2011 01:43PM Thatgirl wrote:

I'm having a love hate relationship with this thread. I'm going to be apart of it but some studies say I should be asleep by 10pm. I bought a bottle of melatonin but have yet to take any. I think better at night.

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Apr 9, 2011 01:45PM - edited Jun 21, 2011 03:06AM by sas-schatzi

Thatgirl well I am the same way , but I started this thread with the hope that when we want to talk in the middle of the night we can find somone real and not sit here and make conversation with imaginary people---------------welcome

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Apr 9, 2011 01:46PM jo1955 wrote:

Thanks SAS - Until I found this thread, I was beginning to think I was the only one up this late at night.  

Jo - Lump, no chemo, 25 rads + 5 boosts, Tamox X5 years . cancerr free since Aug 30th, 2010. April 2014 - Latissimus Dorsi Flap Reconstruction. July 13, 2013 - Hysterectomy due to multiple uterine issues while on Tamoxifen.
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Apr 9, 2011 01:48PM - edited Jun 21, 2011 03:07AM by sas-schatzi

I'm betting there are alot of us, because all the drugs chemo tamox , and AI's all have insomnia as a s.e.

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Apr 9, 2011 01:51PM - edited Jun 21, 2011 03:07AM by sas-schatzi

Hit the refresh button at the top that is next to the red x to see if there are any new posts

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Apr 9, 2011 01:53PM jo1955 wrote:

No only am I on Tamox, I am also on Lyrica for the "neuropathic pains" in my toes and feet.  That is what my onc is calling it since I did not have chemo.  I also have a history of degenerative joint disease and the Tamox is reeking havoc with it - making it so much worse, plus the joint pain from Tamox.  The Lyrica helps some but still have joint pains which keep me awake at night.  Not that I need anymore reason to stay awake.

Jo - Lump, no chemo, 25 rads + 5 boosts, Tamox X5 years . cancerr free since Aug 30th, 2010. April 2014 - Latissimus Dorsi Flap Reconstruction. July 13, 2013 - Hysterectomy due to multiple uterine issues while on Tamoxifen.
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Apr 9, 2011 01:53PM - edited Jun 21, 2011 03:08AM by sas-schatzi

It might be to early yet. people may actually be gettibg a few zzzzzzzzzzz's or be on there regular threads. who knows how a thread will do. sometimes they take off then other times the dwindle.

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Apr 9, 2011 01:55PM jo1955 wrote:

All the people on my regular threads have all called it a night.  Party poopers.  LOL

Jo - Lump, no chemo, 25 rads + 5 boosts, Tamox X5 years . cancerr free since Aug 30th, 2010. April 2014 - Latissimus Dorsi Flap Reconstruction. July 13, 2013 - Hysterectomy due to multiple uterine issues while on Tamoxifen.
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Apr 9, 2011 01:55PM sas-schatzi wrote:

Jo are you to premenopausal. Can't take AI's yet?

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Apr 9, 2011 01:56PM - edited Jun 21, 2011 03:08AM by sas-schatzi

12:26 Anne

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Apr 9, 2011 01:58PM sas-schatzi wrote:

Well thats the point here . You're still going with no one to talk to. Could be a godsend for us never know. I'm just tired of mindnumbing tv.

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Apr 9, 2011 01:59PM jo1955 wrote:

SAS - I am post menopausal and tried both Arimidex and Femara.  SEs were too bad - unbelieveable nausea and some disorientation with Femara.  Had to go on Tamox.  

Jo - Lump, no chemo, 25 rads + 5 boosts, Tamox X5 years . cancerr free since Aug 30th, 2010. April 2014 - Latissimus Dorsi Flap Reconstruction. July 13, 2013 - Hysterectomy due to multiple uterine issues while on Tamoxifen.
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Apr 9, 2011 02:01PM - edited Jun 21, 2011 03:09AM by sas-schatzi

I would just like to suggest we spread the word to other threads that to check here late at night to see if anythings going on when they feel the need. We'll get it going . AND time will tell.

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Apr 9, 2011 02:03PM - edited Jun 21, 2011 03:09AM by sas-schatzi

WEll we are off to a good start we are already on pg2. Anne hope the cough is better

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Apr 9, 2011 02:04PM jo1955 wrote:

I can help you do that.  I know a few night owls.

Jo - Lump, no chemo, 25 rads + 5 boosts, Tamox X5 years . cancerr free since Aug 30th, 2010. April 2014 - Latissimus Dorsi Flap Reconstruction. July 13, 2013 - Hysterectomy due to multiple uterine issues while on Tamoxifen.
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Apr 9, 2011 02:08PM - edited Jun 21, 2011 03:09AM by sas-schatzi

yes I shouldC&P my chicken talk

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Apr 9, 2011 02:10PM tinkertude wrote:

ok I would love to join this thread too... thought I was going to bed but ummm noooo.. Hi Jo HI Sas!

Dx 6/2/2010, ILC, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 1/14 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 6/2/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/14 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Apr 9, 2011 02:11PM Valgal wrote:

Hi Jo and Sas and all the other night owls!

I'm not going to be up late tonight cuz I went to the Dr. today and I think I could actually go  to sleep tonight. Did anyone read my story about melatonin. I posted it somewhere...pretty funny..I was dating an off the boat Irish guy who had trouble sleeping so I bought a book about melatonin -Of course he wouldn't read it so I did . He asked me what it said the next day and I told him I couldn't remember cuz I fell asleep ... so he said... well just give me the book then. LOL

Hey Jo! I'm postmeno and on tami too. I never started arimidex. I'm glad now too... since my 2nd brother of 58 years old died from heart problems in December.

Dx 7/2/2010, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

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