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Posted on: Apr 8, 2011 01:45PM - edited Apr 2, 2018 04:30PM by sas-schatzi

sas-schatzi wrote:

Welcome. This is called the insomnia thread, but we post 24/7/365. We call ourselves Owlettes :)

No nastiness, bullying, stalking or such allowed. I would like to keep the kind fabric of this thread intact.

Discussion will flow where it will as all threads do. This will be a happy place. I hope with lots of laughing. Talk of things, needs, rants as your mood or thoughts take you. Each person here has a history of helping others. Threads develop pseudo family groups. Fancy way to say we become like family. This family will have all the best a family has to offer, but none of the negatives.

May help with sleeplessness: circadian rhythm, melatonin--pub med evidence based research. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21476953 Agometaline is approved for use in Europe/Australia for insomnia. It is NOT approved in the USA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agomelatine

How to naturally reset circadian rhythm with food : http://www.wisebread.com/how-to-naturally-reset-your-sleep-cycle-overnight

Article connecting insomnia and depression. It's a chicken egg thing-..............-insomnia <-----> depression.

http://blog.aarp.org/2013/12/02/is-curing-insomnia-key-to-curing-depression/?intcmp=AE-ENDART1-BL-REL

Second Sleep---The NORMAL for humans before the light bulb http://slumberwise.com/science/your-ancestors-didnt-sleep-like-you/

Autonomic dysfunction: http://www.holistichelp.net/dysautonomia-autonomic-nervous-system-dysfunction.html

BCO Member Notself's three day plan: 1. Get doc script for sleep aid, at lowest dose. 2. Set sleep time. 3. Take pill 1/2 hr to 1 hr before set time. 4. Do this for three days; 5. Should sleep on fourth night.. 6. Repeat steps 1-5 if sleeplessness has lasted more than one night.

Don'ts that are known to cause sleeplessness: Alcohol, coffee, chocolate, looking at computer screens before bedtime, sex and exersize(variable by person); Do's that promote sleep: Sex and exersize(variable by person) , book reading, foot massage, aromatherapy, sleepy teas. After dinner walk(variable).

Link to Warm & Fuzzy's (W&F) thread: Warm & fuzzy owls, goats, kitties, dogs, birds ETC. PICS &LINKS

For all our dear Sisters .........

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Jul 10, 2018 05:24AM M0mmyof2 wrote:

Had a glorious start to my week. Sunday night, hubby and I went to a WWE event and had a blast. Yep, I love wrestling, even though it’s fake. Got my hubby a shirt for one of his favorite wrestlers. Yesterday was a low key day for me.

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Jul 10, 2018 05:43AM - edited Jul 10, 2018 05:44AM by sas-schatzi

Mommie, that's a hoot. I once saw Hulk Hogan----1992--------took the son before we moved. Took a friend. They fought all the way home.

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Jul 10, 2018 12:59PM M0mmyof2 wrote:

lol Been a wrestling fan since I was a kid. Got to see Ronda Rousey the other night. Who would have thought that a former UFC fighter turn wrestler! The crowd went nuts when she came out! We only go to WWE events once a year. Went with a couple of people that hubby knows from work


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Jul 10, 2018 07:24PM M0mmyof2 wrote:

My niece sent me this today. Thought we all could use a laugh.


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Jul 10, 2018 07:34PM Egads007 wrote:

LOL If I was a dog I’d be a blabador!!

Or a Bitch-Poo...bichon & poodle

:))

"I base all my fashion choices on what doesn't itch" (Gilda Radner) Chemotherapy 3/20/2013 Doxil (doxorubicin), Taxol (paclitaxel) Surgery 8/23/2013 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right Radiation Therapy 11/1/2013 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes Dx IDC, 4cm, Stage IIB, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR- Hormonal Therapy Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone)
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Jul 10, 2018 08:03PM bella2013 wrote:

Mommyof2, thanks for that! Hilarious!!

Diagnosed at 60 years old. Oncotype Score=14. Dx 12/4/2017, IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IB, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 1/4/2018 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 2/22/2018 Mastectomy: Left; Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Jul 11, 2018 04:02AM - edited Jul 11, 2018 09:46AM by feelingfeline

Absolutely Brilliant.

A neighbour on a road behind ours definitely has 2 all night blabadors. One of the side benefits of the heatwave is that having an electric fan on all night drowns out the sound of barking dogs Loopy

Dx 1/20/2012, IDC, 5cm, Stage IIIA, 3/22 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- Surgery 2/7/2012 Lymph node removal: Left, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left Chemotherapy 4/2/2012 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Hormonal Therapy 7/30/2012 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Radiation Therapy 8/5/2012 Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 7/31/2015 Aromasin (exemestane)
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Jul 11, 2018 05:35AM M0mmyof2 wrote:

When I saw this one I howled with laughter. Knew you guys would like it

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Jul 11, 2018 04:46PM sas-schatzi wrote:

Mommie LOved it LOL's. 

Welcome here Bella this is a 24/7 thread not just insomniacs. It evolved from the beginning when it was just for the sleepless and the Southlanders. But the Southlanders don't come much anymore.

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Jul 11, 2018 05:06PM - edited Jul 11, 2018 05:07PM by sas-schatzi

Update on Mags. It's her request that I let you know she has decided to enter Hospice. I know that's a tough thing to read. We get a sinking feeling when we hear that.

But consider on the spectrum of people entering hospice from high functioning to end stage being very close. She is very high functioning. She doesn't want to continue Chemo. Her evaluation is that the chemo has caused many more complications and affected her quality of life more than the MBC. MBC is present, but hasn't overwhelmed the body.

None of us know the time and place that we will be called. We all have known many sisters that were in hospice for a very long time.

She sounds wonderful. She feels very strongly about her decision and is at peace with it. 

Her breathing is better, but they need to determine what anticoagulant she will go home on. It's under discussion.  She wants the breathing to be better managed before she leaves.

She has chosen to go home. Her home has everything in place already. 

She sends her love to everyone and asks that you continue keeping her in your prayers.

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Jul 11, 2018 05:46PM M0mmyof2 wrote:

Praying for her. Tell her I said Hi next time you talk to her.


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Jul 11, 2018 06:48PM Egads007 wrote:

Thoughts and positive vibes being sent her way Sas...only ‘spoke’ here a few times with her, really nice lady. Thanks for letting us know.

For anyone that knows Vampeyes, she just posted on the Paleo thread that she lost her beloved step father today...cancer. Keep her in your thoughts please.

Rough day. I’m not liking this disease much, not that I ever did.

Hugs to all.

"I base all my fashion choices on what doesn't itch" (Gilda Radner) Chemotherapy 3/20/2013 Doxil (doxorubicin), Taxol (paclitaxel) Surgery 8/23/2013 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right Radiation Therapy 11/1/2013 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes Dx IDC, 4cm, Stage IIB, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR- Hormonal Therapy Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone)
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Jul 11, 2018 06:55PM - edited Jul 11, 2018 06:57PM by Micmel

Oh Magda~ precious woman. Sad can you pleasePass along my love please. We have missed her a great deal over on our thread. I am thankful to know how she is doing. Thank you so much. ~M~

Sorry to hear about vampeyes step father.. mine is more of a good father to me,more than my own..

Dx 1/22/2016, IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 2, 13/35 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- Chemotherapy 2/9/2016 AC Surgery 6/20/2016 Lymph node removal: Left, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left Chemotherapy 7/19/2016 Abraxane (albumin-bound or nab-paclitaxel) Targeted Therapy 11/6/2016 Ibrance (palbociclib) Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery Chemotherapy Chemotherapy
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Jul 11, 2018 07:50PM Wren44 wrote:

Yes, please pass on our love. I can think of a number of women who went into hospice and lasted quite a while. I hope Mags has a good quality of life for time to come.

Lumpectomy and re-excision followed by mastectomy of right breast. Five years of anastrasole completed.
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Jul 11, 2018 11:42PM bella2013 wrote:

Thanks Sas. I have been lurking here for awhile...in the wee hours of the morning and I am wide awake.

Diagnosed at 60 years old. Oncotype Score=14. Dx 12/4/2017, IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IB, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 1/4/2018 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 2/22/2018 Mastectomy: Left; Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Jul 12, 2018 02:22AM kathindc wrote:

Sas, let Mags know she is in my thoughts and prayers. Sending her ((((HUGS)))).

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Jul 12, 2018 02:31AM sas-schatzi wrote:

So, a bit of a rant and Mags agreed. She asked about drug to control  clots. I wanted to jump through the phone and take his jugular out.  He described that they would do not DO drug control. Plus, he described no control of clots. and that that PE' were a very easy way to die. It was very FAST and effectively painless. __________i HEARD HIM SAY THIS STUFF.

sHOCKING

Mags and I talked at length. Her scenario might----could have been avoided for this admission if one of her doctors would have considered DVT prevention. OOdles of docs.

I feel horrible , b/c we did lots of teaching stuff. Foot pumps, and walking.......Sad very sad, I should have recognized the lack of DVT protection. . Sad very sad. Will take years to get over. Mags has forgiven me. 



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Jul 12, 2018 02:36AM Loveroflife wrote:

MagsHug


My grace is sufficient for you, My strength is made perfect in weakness. 2 Cor 12:9. Dx 8/25/2014, DCIS, 3cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR- Surgery 9/15/2014 Mastectomy: Left Dx 10/13/2014, IDC, <1cm, Stage IA, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Surgery 1/11/2015 Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement Surgery 5/13/2015 Reconstruction (left): Saline implant
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Jul 12, 2018 02:42AM - edited Jul 12, 2018 02:45AM by Loveroflife

Now now My Dear Ms. Sas, DON'T. Guilt is not from the Father. Don't be so hard on yourself.

What a jerk!!! That doctor! Ugh

My grace is sufficient for you, My strength is made perfect in weakness. 2 Cor 12:9. Dx 8/25/2014, DCIS, 3cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR- Surgery 9/15/2014 Mastectomy: Left Dx 10/13/2014, IDC, <1cm, Stage IA, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Surgery 1/11/2015 Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement Surgery 5/13/2015 Reconstruction (left): Saline implant
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Jul 12, 2018 02:59AM Loveroflife wrote:

Queenie, hope the infection is gone.

Feline, you folks have heat wave? At 20 degree Celsius? Hah! I would love to have that temperature here. It has been an infernal where I am.

Ms. Sas, DH can’t stay away too long. Just a ump in the road.

Egads,


In my case, a bowl of noodle soup.

My grace is sufficient for you, My strength is made perfect in weakness. 2 Cor 12:9. Dx 8/25/2014, DCIS, 3cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR- Surgery 9/15/2014 Mastectomy: Left Dx 10/13/2014, IDC, <1cm, Stage IA, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Surgery 1/11/2015 Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement Surgery 5/13/2015 Reconstruction (left): Saline implant
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Jul 12, 2018 03:06AM sas-schatzi wrote:

Loverly, You as always are a blessing in thought. Thank you

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Jul 12, 2018 03:35AM JunieB wrote:

Sas - I called this evening, but it was late on your end. Sorry I wasn't able to get back to you sooner. Tomorrow I see my MO and will get the results from my PET scan. Apartment is toooo quiet without Kirbster here, but I know he is having fun at summer camp (the trainers house). I hope to get him home by Saturday.

It is sad to hear about Mags entering hospice, but I do understand the reasons she has chosen this path. Please send her HUGS from me as well.

Surgery 7/28/1991 Lymph node removal: Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Dx 7/30/1991, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IIA, 0/25 nodes, ER+/PR+ Dx 8/28/2014, 2cm, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, ER+/PR+, HER2- Radiation Therapy 9/22/2014 External: Bone Hormonal Therapy 10/12/2014 Arimidex (anastrozole), Faslodex (fulvestrant) Targeted Therapy Ibrance (palbociclib)
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Jul 12, 2018 04:17AM sas-schatzi wrote:

JUnie, it's 4:00 am late evening catch up. Happy that Kirby is having so much fun. Started Shats and Dini on Chicken. They are in heaven. Read a couple of weeks ago about real meat and the health benefit to dogs. Doing it since. Dogs are so happy. Dini is so patient. Shat's -----dances and is a funny pita when I start cutting the meat. She knows it's for her. Aldi's meats are soooo cheap. I think this is okay.

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Jul 12, 2018 05:17AM sas-schatzi wrote:

A cousin will soon be joining us

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Jul 12, 2018 06:12AM M0mmyof2 wrote:

Sas, I am shocked that a doctor would say that!

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Jul 12, 2018 07:22AM - edited Jul 12, 2018 07:50AM by sas-schatzi

Mommie, and Loverly, I was so shocked. What's even worse per Mags, he's a cancer patient.. But he is high functioning cancer patient. Just as I described Mags as being high functioning. 

Look I am a cancer person . I've gotten to hate the word survivor, but yes I got through Bc, brain tumor and Thyroid cancer. Well, my husband didn't. Why? Lot's of thoughts. Who what when where why?

I heard this doc talk to Mags, and I never in 40 years, heard anything so egregious, Except for two patients.

Both were when I was a student. Each doc walked in and  stood there and said to the patients you have cancer. Each patient said what does that mean? Both docs said it means that you are going to die. Both docs then walked out. It was horrible. Horrible. I still have thier faces in my memory  and the talk we had after the doc left. It was totally HORRIBLE.  It was the most cruel thing I'd ever seen in my life till that point and it happened within a few days. That was 1971........Horrible. Horrible. A pox on both docs, even though they both are long dead.

I was going to add a POX on Mags doc, but that would be unkind.

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Jul 12, 2018 09:19AM M0mmyof2 wrote:

Her doctor should be horsewhipped! Some doctors have no beside manner! Its bad enough that Mags is deal with cancer and this complication, but to have a buttheaded doctor say that is outrageous! At least he should try some kind of treatment, mine did when I developed blood clots in both the heart and lungs. My MO put me on a blood thinner to deal with the problem and so far everything is good.

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Jul 12, 2018 11:58AM queenmomcat wrote:

Adding my RAR to the outrage about Mags' doctor: how does he know it's fast and painless? Has someone come back from the grave to tell him so?

Loverly: yes, my infection's has gone, but the discoloration around my ankle's expanded a bit. (This is the one about which a nurse teased me, saying he'd thought it was a work-release monitoring anklet.)

Dx 5/27/2015, DCIS, Left, 1cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 7/6/2015 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 8/31/2015 Whole-breast: Breast Hormonal Therapy 11/1/2015 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Surgery 12/9/2015 Reconstruction (left)
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Jul 12, 2018 01:32PM Wren44 wrote:

Maybe after Mags' doctor dies of PE, he can come back and describe how easy it was. He should be reported.

Lumpectomy and re-excision followed by mastectomy of right breast. Five years of anastrasole completed.
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Jul 12, 2018 01:47PM bella2013 wrote:

My mother was a full assist stroke patient living in my home for 3.5 years of the 6 years she suffered her stroke. Her last two years she was in-Home Hospice care. I have direct knowledge of what medications were provided to her while she was under their care. Coumadin was the primary drug given to prevent another stroke. It was not a life saving drug...she didn’t die from her first stroke and she was on blood thinners...(she was just not at theraputic levels when she was released from the hospital following pace maker replacement surgery).

In 2010 her doctor referred her to in-Home hospice care so that she could have in-Home doctor and nurse care and not be transported to doctor’s offices in her paralyzed condition. It was a huge relief for me, for her, and her caregivers to have her medical care and pharmaceutical care coming from one source. MediCare paid for all of it.

My father had PE’s. They were extremely painful. He felt like he was having a heart attack.

It’s very upsetting to hear what this doctor had to say. Ugh...

Maybe seeking Palliative care might meet her needs at the present time..

Diagnosed at 60 years old. Oncotype Score=14. Dx 12/4/2017, IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IB, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 1/4/2018 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 2/22/2018 Mastectomy: Left; Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole)

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