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Posted on: Jan 28, 2012 02:23AM

tuckertwo wrote:

Hi ladies,

This should be front page news, especially on a breast cancer website.

You would think that drug companies and organizations such as the Susan B. Komen Foundation who bill themselves as an organization helping to find a cure for breast cancer would not want to profit from women who have had breast cancer. If you read this website, you'll see that to them, it's all 'business'. Cosmetic companies, such as Susan Komen and Estee Lauder who promote pink ribbons and pink products for breast cancer have ingredients in their products that are known carcinogenics. And who started the whole pink ribbon thing?? Drug companies and perfume companies!! It is in their best interests to NOT cure breast cancer. In one year alone, drug companies made over 1 BILLION dollars from chemotherapy.

 I'd like to hear your comments.

http://thinkbeforeyoupink.org/?page_id=13 

 tucker

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Jan 28, 2012 09:59AM Medigal wrote:

So what's new?  I would go even further and say that ALL "non-profits" should be investigated for the millions they are pocketing off of ALL chronic diseases! 

I had to hear it from the mouth of my own precious DD when she was about 10 years old.  I was dragging her with me to raise money while I gave speeches for a "cure" for her chronic disease.  One day she told me I should not waste my time and hers doing this.  When I asked her "in shock" why?  She said "Mama, they all make too much money off of my disease.  They are "never" going to cure it!"  It's 31 years later and she is still alive but suffering greatly from her disease.  "They" never cured it but they sure have made millions "pretending" ,imo, to "Search for a Cure"!!  

What is most sickening to me is not the Estee Lauders who drink in millions off of the blood of our diseases but people who are supposed to be a part of this with us like Susan Komen and I could go on and on!

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Jan 28, 2012 11:02AM Kate33 wrote:

The whole Breast Cancer Awareness Month was a partnership between the American Cancer Society and the pharmaceutical division of a company called Imperial Chemical Industries (now Astrazeneca) back in 1985.  Astrazeneca makes about 7 different cancer fighting drugs and 4 of them are for breast cancer.  And they, at one time, made Tamoxifen.  They knew if they promoted mammograms more women would get DX with BC and therefore more would end up on their drugs.  It has been described as a masterful public relations coup.  

The majority of these "fund raisers" focus on BC treatment, not prevention, because that's where the big money is made.  If a product has a pink ribbon on it I avoid it like the plague.

An organization I support is Dr. Susan Love's Army of Women.  Their goal is to "challenge the scientific community to expand its focus to include breast cancer prevention".  You sign up for free and they match you up with researchers who ask you a series of questions.  Basically, they are trying to compile information to try to determine how breast cancer is caused in the first place.  You can get more information at armyofwomen.org. 

Kate33 "Yes, they're fake. (@)(@) The real ones tried to kill me." Dx 12/27/2009, DCIS, 4cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes
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Jan 28, 2012 11:04AM momof3boys wrote:

Thanks Kate! Wish there were a "like" button!

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Jan 28, 2012 11:12AM alexandria58 wrote:

No pink for me,  I will always think of the pink ribbon on Kentucky Fried chicken.  I even wrote a song about it.

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Jan 28, 2012 12:18PM Blessings2011 wrote:

Kate33 -

Is there a separate thread on Dr. Susan Love's Army of Women Program?

If not, there should be....

Thanks for sharing it.

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Jan 28, 2012 03:02PM tuckertwo wrote:

There are a lot of threads about Susan Love's Foundation. It is a wonderful organization, dedicated to finding out what causes breast cancer, not just treating it after the fact.

The "Think Before You Pink" is from an organization called Breast Cancer Action Group and they are equally dedicated to blasting the pink myth and finding a cure; they believe too much money is spent on advertising, etc and not enough on research. I encourage y'all to check it out!  I am tired of people making money off of my disease. There has to be an incentive for a cure and it isn't going to come from Big Pharma.

Thanks, Kate for your reply!  I'm glad to know those who posted are on to the pink scam!

tuckertwo

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Jan 28, 2012 03:05PM Myleftboob wrote:

I couldn't agree more!

T/C/H 2/17, 3/9, 3/30, 4/20 then H til 1/13 Surgery 12/13/2011 Lymph node removal: Left, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement Targeted Therapy 5/11/2012 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Hormonal Therapy 5/11/2012 Arimidex (anastrozole), Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Dx 7/15/2016, IDC, 2cm, Stage IV, metastasized to liver/lungs/other, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2+ Chemotherapy 7/25/2016 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel)
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Jan 28, 2012 03:14PM tuckertwo wrote:

Medigal,

I have thought the same thing about ALL diseases. I remember when Jerry Lewis was doing those telethons for musular dystrophy, which still exists.

I was damaged by DES before I was born so I am very suspicious of any drug. They all have side effects. I believe that there is a cure for most diseases if we look to the natural world; however, drug companies can't patent most natural substances and they don't put any money into researching alternatives to chemical substances since that's where they make money. There are some great articles in the link I provided above that exposes how diabolical drug companies really are. They make the drugs, then hire people to say positive things about it; the researchers work in the drug companies (no bias there!) - they caused my breast cancer because of my DES exposure and now they are making bucks off of treating the breast cancer. Nice racket.

tucker

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Jan 29, 2012 02:12PM Kate33 wrote:

alexandria- I would love to hear the lyrics to that song!

tuckertwo- I agree with you that drug companies don't want to put any research into natural remedies for anything.  My GP said some of the health issues facing a lot of us these days just comes down to vitamin deficiencies.  I think drug companies ultimate goal is to convince every man, woman and child they have at least one disease ( or two or three) that must be treated with meds.  (And then the side effects of those meds must be treated with additional meds.)  It feels as though nothing is ever cured anymore- just treated.....and then wrapped up in a pretty pink bow.  

Another member on here came up with the slogan- "The only thing pink about breast cancer are the scars it leaves behind."  I'd wear that on a t-shirt. 

Kate33 "Yes, they're fake. (@)(@) The real ones tried to kill me." Dx 12/27/2009, DCIS, 4cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes
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Jan 29, 2012 04:15PM tuckertwo wrote:

Kate,

Very wise GP you have!  I just posted an article under ADVOCACY about the FDA and physicians, which is an excellent read.

Like the slogan! I'd wear that on a t-shirt too. Your sig is equally great; I saw it on a t-shirt but I don't have the courage to wear it!

 tuckertwo 

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Jan 30, 2012 11:51AM Kate33 wrote:

tuckertwo- Me, neither!  Laughing
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Jan 30, 2012 12:21PM crazy4carrots wrote:

How times have changed!  The discovery of insulin in Toronto some 90 years ago has probably saved more lives than almost any other medical discovery other than vaccines.

And yet, when the American patent on insulin and the method of making it was awarded to Dr. Frederick Banting and 2 colleagues, they signed over their patent rights to the University of Toronto for $1 each......

The discovery of insulin was a "natural" discovery.  Many pigs and dogs were sacrificed.  Thank goodness Connaught Labs and later, Eli Lilly, were able to improve and then synthesize the method of making failsafe insulin. 

There are plenty of pharmaceuticals that started out as "natural" remedies. 

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Jan 30, 2012 02:03PM tuckertwo wrote:

Thanks for your post lindasa. How wonderful for diabetics. People with diabetes can help themselves a lot by monitoring their diet and exercise. There is sugar in nearly every product on the market. high fructose corn syrup and also sugar is an ingredient in so called 'natural' products. Insulin does not cure diabetes.

I am, by the way, a DES Daughter and therefore not a fan of Eli Lilly, one of the largest manufacturers of diethylstilbestol (DES) which caused reproductive malformation in millions of women, infertility, cancer and now breast cancer. Neither am I a fan of Squibb and 14 other Big Pharmas who pushed this drug onto the public to 'stop miscarriage' which they knew it did not.

Big Pharma does more harm than good. Zoloft has caused heart problems in newborns. That is only one example from hundreds I could name that are on the list of DEFECTIVE DRUGS. Drugs have not cured any problem, ever. They mask the symptoms. Taking one pill usually leads to taking another, and so on. That's the game!

Eli Lilly is now selling rGBH, a hormone which is not used in Canadian dairy cows. They are the sole manufacturers of this product. They sell it in developing countries. It causes mastitis in dairy cows (inflammation of the udder) but not to worry! They also sell antibiotics to the same dairy people!!

Drug companies develop diseases, such as Tamiflu, and then make products to 'vaccinate' people against a non-disease. AstroZeneca has manufactured illnesses more than once. Don Rumsfeld (remember him, from the George Dubya years?) is a member of the board of directors. These are the kind of despicable people running the drug companies. There are billions of dollars to be made from sickness, so why should they come up with anything to actually CURE a disease?

 If you read the article attached to Think Before You Pink, you'll get an eye opener. Drugs are, simply, put, business. Patient health is secondary to making money. Drug companies have no business pushing drugs onto the public before the drugs are approved. The FDA (see article and/or google FYI) has been complicit in approving drugs in exchange for money. It is a cartel, no doubt about it.

Natural herbs and supplements DO work but since drug companies can't patent mushrooms or wild plants there is no research done on the advantages of natural products. Drug companies are trying to block natural supplements from the market (gee, we can't actually have people getting well!) and naturopathic physicians are fighting them tooth and nail.

You are welcome to your belief that drug companies are saving people. But the fact is, they are not. I find it reprehensible that research done on drugs is paid for by the drug companies. Don't you find this a tad suspicious?  The feces is about to hit the fan with drug companies, so I  hope they have enjoyed the ride because it's going down.

tuckertwo

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"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Jan 30, 2012 02:20PM - edited Jan 30, 2012 02:20PM by tuckertwo

lindasa,

Before you get too excited about the benefits of Big Pharma perhaps you can read and compare the info here concerning conventional treatment of diabetes (what MD's do) and naturopathic (what MD"s don't do)

http://www.diabetes-daily-care.com/

Doctors are given many perks to prescribe medications/insulin by pharma. This is becoming common knowledge. Diabetics suffer more disease via the insulin route, insulin does not cure diabetes. The natural route uses herbs that help the body normalize, balance and heal. MD's are not taught this method; they are taught to be good drug pushers. I worked in the medical field and I know this goes on. MD's and the medical world are not into prevention, they haven't a clue.

tuckertwo

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Jan 30, 2012 02:31PM tuckertwo wrote:

Cosmetic safety and breast cancer:

http://thinkbeforeyoupink.org/?page_id=15

Chemicals in perfumes have been found in breast tumors. Know what to avoid!

tuckertwo

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Jan 30, 2012 03:14PM crazy4carrots wrote:

tuckertwo -- I think you misinterpreted the reason why I wrote about Dr. Banting and his discovery of insulin.  I wasn't defending "Big Pharma", nor do I get too excited about all that "Big Pharma" does.  I was merely commenting on how the medical establishment and the pharma industry have changed.  Before Banting's discovery, the Dx of diabetes mellitus was a death sentence.  Banting and his associates made no money (other than the Nobel prize money) from their intensive work in trying to find out how to save the lives of these children.
I have many bones to pick with Big Pharma and the for-profit medical industrial complex.
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Jan 30, 2012 03:25PM - edited Jan 30, 2012 03:27PM by tuckertwo

lindasa,

It is difficult to convey so much info that is emotionally charged via email. I get what you're saying. Yes, things have changed. It a shame that natural alternatives are pushed aside in favor of the money making drugs that can be mass produced. This has made America a very sick nation.

 There is a website I found that is useful in finding out if your doctor has been paid by Big Pharma to make speeches, etc. Docs get free vacations and many perks for pushing particular drugs and this conflict of interest is becoming a hot topic.  www.propublica.org  type in your doc's name and see what (if any) his drug connections are. Some docs are paid huge amounts by drug companies just to give a speech. A former doctor of mine was pushing cholesterol lowering drugs on me, which I refused....checked this website and found he had made thousands from the drug company that pushed the drug he wanted me to take.

Thanks again for your comments. It's good to know there's another warrior out there!

tuckertwo

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Jan 30, 2012 03:52PM Medigal wrote:

What's going on here?  I put in my doc's names and they came up but only for "meals"!  Guess they like to eat!  What a joke!

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Jan 30, 2012 06:21PM Kate33 wrote:

tuckertwo- Interesting about that link.  I checked out all my docs.  My new rhuematologist, who I saw for my fibromyalgia, was listed as getting $83,000 for "research" from Pfizer.  Pfizer is the company that makes Lyrica which is what he wanted to put me on even though I told him I had tried it and it didn't work for me.  He insisted I try it, again.  Now I have to wonder.  

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Jan 30, 2012 07:42PM crazy4carrots wrote:

To be fair:  The only way new drugs can be tested to find out if they work for humans is to test them on humans.  Big Pharma doesn't have a roster of patients; doctors do.  A great deal of effort goes into setting up drug trials.  Shouldn't physicians who play a major role in this effort be re-imbursed?   Kate, that is not to excuse your own rheumatologist, who may well have had alterior motives in "insisting" that you try Lyrica again.  On the other hand, I wouldn't take the results at that link at face value either.  I'd hate to think that a patient, upon discovering that her doc was making big bucks via a pharma house, would choose to seek out another doc without doing some more investigating.  
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Jan 30, 2012 08:08PM Medigal wrote:

Sorry, but I think doctors should have to learn as much as they can about a new drug and then offer it to a patient "only" if they think it is best for them.  If they can make money from pushing certain drugs on us, I think it changes the picture entirely and would tend to make me very suspicious of what is going on.  Practically all the drugs I am taking, "I" have researched thoroughly and been the one to tell my doctors what "I" want to try for a problem.  I have been fortunate since they usually agree with me and write the RX out for me.  I have had doctors admit to me that the new drugs may not have been on the market long enough for them to know for sure if they would be the best one for me.  I know my body and how it reacts to a drug better than any doctor so I feel I have a right to decide what to put in my body.  If my choice doesn't work (which is rarely) then I try another one suggested by the doc only after he gets out his PDR and convinces me, it may work. 

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Jan 31, 2012 02:28AM tuckertwo wrote:

lindasa,

You say you would not take the results of that link (I assume you're referring to Propublica) at face value. Did you know that Propublica is sponsored by PBS and NPR? It is investigative journalism. I suggest you read the website before you slam it. People, and by that I mean patients, have a RIGHT to know how much money their doctors receive from drug companies. You cannot tell me that a doctor who is receiving $80,000 from a particular drug company for a few speeches, is not going to push whatever drug that company wants that doctor to push. Many doctors receive much, much more. When there is a conference or symposium for MD's, guess who is there, immersing the doctors with free samples of pills and free trips to Hawaii? Every drug company in America, is who. I am glad Propublica has the cojones to make this information available to those concerned: the patients.

I don't believe in being a guinea pig, and I will not try drugs out for the edification of the drug companies. I already did that in utero with DES exposure, thank you. None of the drugs ever created has cured any disease. Drugs just cause more problems.

And no. Why should the doctor get reimbursed? It's his job. The patients should get reimbursed for putting their lives on the line so drug companies can make money. The CEO of Eli Lilly, alone, makes over 16 MILLION a year. They aren't making drugs to help you. They are making drugs to make you sick, so that you'll buy more drugs. It's called business. It works the same way illegal drugs do; you buy one drug. Then you need another one to counteract the original one, and so on.

Propublica is a very useful website for aware patients who take control of their health,and don't let Big Pharma chemicalize their lives.

tucker

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Jan 31, 2012 02:38AM tuckertwo wrote:

kate,

that's good that you found that info on propublica. That's what its for - to expose doctors with conflicts of interest. I think I'd run away from him!  Or find a natural remedy to your rheumatoid arthritis. They're out there.

tuckertwo

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Jan 31, 2012 10:28AM - edited Jan 31, 2012 10:28AM by crazy4carrots

tuckertwo -- All I'm saying is this:  Don't take the info at ProPublica at face value without further investigating the reasons WHY the physician received money from the pharma house.  I know very well (having worked with docs for many years in the university hospital setting) how pharma reps make weekly appts to show their wares etc.  I also know FOR A FACT that university-affiliated docs depend on pharma to supply a new drug for drug trials.  They're anxious to find something that will work for their patients.  A physician-pal (rheumatologist) of mine was the one who introduced biologics (Enbrel, Humira, Remicade etc.) into Canada for his RA patients, via his connections with the pharma houses.  I expect he was healthily re-imbursed for that, via drug trials he set up, and I personally know a few of his patients, all of whom are eternally grateful for his close association with these pharma houses.   Be upfront with your doc.  Ask why s/he just received $$$ from Pfizer etc.  There may be legitimate reasons -- it's not ALL skullduggery, and I don't think you're doing this forum any favours by slamming the medical profession altogether.  Of course, I live in Canada and the rules are a bit different here.  For example, drug companies aren't allowed to advertise their Rx products the way they are in the U.S.  Our magazines aren't filled with 2-3 pages of product fine print, and TV ads must never spell out what the drug is used for (which means you really have to guess/smirk about the uses for that little blue pill for men).   'Nuff said from me. 
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Jan 31, 2012 03:44PM tuckertwo wrote:

lindasa,

Here is a snippet from why Propublica is investigating this issue:

By Dan Nguyen, Charles Ornstein, and Tracy Weber, ProPublica

Drug companies have long kept secret details of the payments they make to doctors and other health professionals for promoting their drugs. But 12 companies have begun publicizing the information, some because of legal settlements. ProPublica pulled their disclosures into a database so patients can search for their doctor. Accepting payments isn't necessarily wrong, but it can raise ethical issues. Read more about the data »

Updated Sept. 7, 2011.

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First, I am a Canadian as well. I am also dual citizen, having lived most of my life in the US and worked in the medical field as an RN in the US. I appreciate the Canadian view of medicine and drugs but I believe you are naive and I will point out why:

The public has a right to know how much money their doctor is collecting from drug companies. I fail to see why you are so protective of physicians in this regard. What Propublica is showing on their website is money collected from drug companies and paid to doctors for giving speeches ($11,000 for one physician) that is just ONE example. As Kate pointed out above, her doctor got $83,000 from a drug company for a drug her doctor was just COINCIDENTALLY pushing her to take. This is common. I don't believe her doctor was being paid back for drug trials. Drug companies make billions of dollars every year. $83,000 is a drop in the bucket for them, part of the PR. They send doctors on holiday to Hawaii, all expenses paid. And other exotic places.

The three drugs you mention have an interesting history. 

Enbrel: toxic, causes decrease in saliva, chronic dry mouth & can lead to tooth decay. Many patients have had teeth pulled because of this drug. Nice trade-off to get rid of RA, when there are natural alternatives that work better and don't cause tooth decay.

Humira: Health Canada Advisory in 2006 and 2009. This drug has been associated with an increase in lymphomas and other cancers. But hey! You don't have arthritis anymore...

Remicade: infections and a whole list of side effects.

Check with your pharma pal physician and ask how his patients are doing with the side effects. Hope they have a dental plan. And a good medical plan.  Always nice to have those drug company connections to get drugs pushed thru the system!

On the contrary, skullduggery exists in a major way with the drug industry/cartel. Didn't you read about the four FDA employees who were arrested? That's just the tip of the iceberg.

I have not had any negative feedback from anyone concerning Propublica, in fact, my SIL is a research librarian and she finds the site very useful as do other professionals. Please don't speak for other people on this forum. I believe they DO find this topic useful.

The main thread here, BTW, is not Propublica, but Think Before You Pink. If you took the time to read that website you'd know what you were talking about. Not ALL breast cancer women believe in the pink ribbon BS and I, for one, like to know where money from that pink ribbon goes. This website reveals that it doesn't go to research.

I want to stay well and and like to stay informed. I believe other women on this forum want the same thing, but I won't speak for them.

tuckertwo

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Jan 31, 2012 06:55PM tuckertwo wrote:

Uh-oh. Did a poster here say there wasn't skullduggery involved!  Think again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The FDA is now confirmed as operating criminal conspiracies, having been busted hacking into the Gmail accounts of its top whistleblower scientists who were speaking out against FDA corruption.

FDA managers conspired to commit multiple felony crimes by installing covert spy software and then capturing private passwords and screen shots, then using that information to infiltrate the Gmail accounts of these FDA whistleblowers.

It's all revealed in a shocking article describing the key facts of this case of runaway FDA criminality:
http://www.naturalnews.com/034824_FDA_scientists_hacking_whistleblowers.html

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The FDA ok'd a drug called DES back in the 1930's. My mother took it; it gave me breast cancer. (See DES thread for more info). The doctors knew it was a useless drug, did not prevent miscarriages and was banned from cattle feed in 1954, but still given to preg women until 1970's. So, the drug companies, FDA and doctors were complicit in this hoax which has caused infertility and reproductive problems in women for decades, and now breast cancer.  The FDA has apologized to DES Daughters, though :(  As if that erases what they did.

That is why I post information from Propublica and Think Before You Pink. Awareness is a good thing!

tucker 

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Feb 1, 2012 01:28PM jap62 wrote:

so, how did you ladies fight your bc?

even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for You are with me Dx 1/9/2012, IDC, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Feb 1, 2012 03:26PM tuckertwo wrote:

The usual way. With useless chemo. Maybe Herceptin was doing it's job but the taxotere and carboplatin did nothing but harm. However, IF in the future I have a recurrence, I will not be having anything to do with drugs.  This is why:

We live in a country where children are literally taken away from parents who do not want their child with cancer to get chemotherapy. The child can be forced to get chemotherapy and the parents can be arrested. Perhaps...just perhaps...this would be acceptable if it could be conclusively proven that chemotherapy was the right thing to do. But in fact, this is not the case. Actually it is just the opposite. Chemotherapy studies show that it is positively NOT generally effective. One other interesting read you may want to see is:

Chemotherapy Statistics Can Be Misleading.

So What Are the Actual Chemotherapy Statistics?

They are right here (the full text can be viewed here). A review of all known relevant clinical trials concluded that if the average cancer patient gets chemotherapy, his or her chances of still being alive 5 years from now increases by a pitiful 2.1% in America. That is barely worth getting dressed for. And this study does not even say anything about quality of life either.

Seeing as the how current average 5-year survival rate in the U.S. is something like 65% percent, it is clear that chemotherapy contributes very little to successful cancer outcomes. Considering this study shows that chemotherapy essentially does not meaningfully improve average 5-year survival, one must realize that once you account for the patient to patient variability in this measure, that means a significant fraction of patients may actually have their 5 year survival reduced by chemotherapy. This is further confounded by the fact that studies that show negative outcomes are often never published by pharmaceutical companies. Consider another study done in England where 27% of 429 patients receiving "end of life care" were found to have their deaths caused or hastened by chemotherapy they were prescribed.

Even if chemotherapy were shown to radically improve 5-year survival rates, it would still not prove it is generally effective by any intelligent interpretation of the term. A 5-year survival rate is only one metric derived from a complete statistical distribution of patient survival times. In other words, "scientists" are taking meaningful data, and throwing out most of it. It could very well be that if studies had preserved the complete statistical distributions of survival times, that we would see that on a whole, chemotherapy decreases various metrics of survival time, such as perhaps the average survival time.

You can look at the breakdown by cancer type of this study in the chart below.

Some oncologists may argue that these statistics are not relevant to today's drugs, and that the newest drugs work so much better than in the past. Though this is theoretically possible, first consider the fact that this is what oncologists have been saying for decades. Then consider that in the light of the present study, that on average, they have been wrong all that time! If that argument was wrong yesterday and for the 20 or 30 years before that, then why would it all of a sudden be right today?

For further discussion on the unfortunately fatal flaws of the current cancer treatment paradigm, read 18 Reasons Why Conventional Cancer Treatment is Irrational.

The End Result...

In short, chemotherapy in general is known to be not without side effects as well as typically ineffective! I am quickly learning that if society agrees on something, there is a good chance it's wrong! Countless examples from history can be given relating to this.

If an oncologist says alternative treatment is experimental, he needs to take his own advice and analyze the statistics that show that chemotherapy is experimental (and toxic for that matter). At least alternative therapies are generally safe!

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How about yourself? What did you do? What would you do differently?

tuckertwo

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Feb 1, 2012 03:36PM Medigal wrote:

Years ago before I had my second child, I was pregnant and starting hemorraging but my gyn filled be full of drugs I had no idea what I was taking.  After 6 months of this horror I found out the baby had been dead inspite of all the drugs he filled me with and I ended up having to go alone to a hospital to get the fetus out of me.   Could he have given me DES, I'll never know.  I just know I was furious with him to think what he put me through and finally got to a decent gyn who helped me have my beautiful second child without all those drugs.  Do any of us really know the consequences of all the drugs given to us?  Since then, I have become paranoid about drugs!  And thankfully so!

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Feb 1, 2012 04:07PM tuckertwo wrote:

 medigal, rightfully so!!  Drugs are not the way to go. That's just a bunch of propaganda from the drug companies. Drugs don't cure problems, they mask them.  Happy to hear you had your second baby without complications or drugs.

No, none of us know the consequences of drugs we've taken. We're guinea pigs for the predominately male dominated drug-cartel medical industrial complex.

I figure herbs and plants have been around longer than synthetic chemicals, and it makes sense to use natural products that actually either prevent or heal disease rather than mask it, right?

tucker

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed...nothing will be impossible for you'. Matthew 17:20 Dx 8/27/2008, IDC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+

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