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Topic: Plain seltzer water (sodium free). Good or bad?

Forum: Bone Health and Bone Loss —

Talk with others about bone density, osteopenia and osteoporosis, and ways to keep your bones strong

Posted on: Jun 16, 2014 02:32AM - edited Jun 17, 2014 12:11AM by Concerned111

Concerned111 wrote:

I've read many conflicting reports regarding the carbonation effect on bones and bone density. I am addicted to unflavored-solium free Seltzer Water. Don't like plain water. Any thoughts? Opinions, etc.? Thank you.

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Jun 16, 2014 11:15AM - edited Jun 16, 2014 11:19AM by peggy_j

Can you post a link? I've read that soda pop, like cola drinks, can be bad for your bones, but I thought it was due to the caffeine and phosphorus not the carbonation.

ETA: here's some info.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition...

http://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/features/soda-os...

Since there's so much info--and misinformation--on the internet, I once asked a doctor which were the reliable websites. He recommended WebMD and the Mayo Clinic websites. 

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Jun 16, 2014 11:39AM leggo wrote:

I sure hope it's not bad. My sodastream is practically attached to my hip. I can't drink anything without carbonation.

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Jun 17, 2014 12:13AM Concerned111 wrote:

Thank you!!! I will read the articles. I have thought about getting a Sodastream.

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Jun 17, 2014 12:24AM Concerned111 wrote:

Peggy, Darn, I can't find the articles. But I did hear on a news program last weekend that a Dr said carbonation zaps the bones. After just doing more research, I am convinced that carbonated water is NOT bad. It's similar to some Drs saying plain Vit D is just as good as VitD3. Ugh!!! So confusing and frustrating.

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Jun 17, 2014 01:44AM Moonflwr912 wrote:

I'd like to know too! My go to drink is setter with a twist. Or LaCroix water. Or even Perrier. As long as it's cold. 

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Jun 17, 2014 02:40AM leggo wrote:

I know!!!!  I'd wilt away without my ice cold bubbles. 

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Jun 17, 2014 06:33AM NancyHB wrote:

I have cases if LaCroix on hand at all times and probably drink 3-4 a day, easily.  I'm certain I wouldn't drink nearly as much water without it!  Besides, I use the return deposits to help fund my daughter's wedding next year.  :-)

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Jun 17, 2014 11:42AM leggo wrote:

So, after reading your post, I got a little concerned so I spent the morning googling. It seems THERE ARE several articles out there implying that carbonation is bad. Turns out, 90% of the articles make a point of making it clear that it's not the carbonation, but the phosphorus in certain sodas, just like peggy mentioned above. Besides worrying about my bones, I was just as worried about my teeth (ONJ and all that jazz). Turns out that you guys who buy carbonated water are also getting the added benefit of it actually protecting your enamel because of the trace minerals found in such water as Perrier, LaCroix, etc. one study put teeth in regular water vs. Perrier and the Perrier tooth actually got stronger! Very cool.

One caveat, studies have shown that people who drink carbonated water a lot have a tendancy to not consume other liquids that help provide us with supplemental vitamins and minerals, such as milk and fruit juice for example. Makes sense to me, I wouldn't drink milk if you paid me.....so as long as we're meeting our vitamin and mineral needs through food, we're good. Cheers! 

Concerned111, I highly recommend the sodastream. I'm sure we're saving about 60% by using it as opposed to bottled or canned. I do have to say though, we have a reverse osmosis system in our house. When I took it to a friends house to carbonate her regular water, it was really disgusting. Filtered water is a MUST if you're going to use a sodastream.

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Jun 17, 2014 11:55AM - edited Jun 17, 2014 12:06PM by leggo

I forgot to mention, other than a cancer-related rod in my femur, and substantial boney disease, my doctor made the comment that my skeletal system is as strong as Wolverine's. If it weren't for some pesky mets, I'd be a super-hero. Maybe it's the bubbles.Smile

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Jun 17, 2014 01:22PM kayfh wrote:

it is the bubbles for sure!  I be came addicted to sparkling water when I was doing chemo in the spring of 2009. It was too much carrying full cases of Perrier (name another brand, I also carried) in to my house, and empty bottles in out in the recycling bin.  I bought a SodaStream.  I love it.  Incidentally I have been NED since I got my SodaStream.  Coincidence?  I think not! Happy

Kay Dx 3/3/2009, IDC, 2cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 8/8 nodes, mets, ER+/PR-, HER2+ Surgery 4/27/2009 Mastectomy: Left
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Jun 17, 2014 01:47PM TB90 wrote:

Oh thank goodness!  I am now afraid of red meat, carbs, sugar, wine . . . . and when I saw this I almost cried.  My soda water with a hint of lemon or lime has replaced many glasses of wine.  I drank gallons and gallons while going through rads.  So relieved to hear that it is ok to do so.

Do any of you prefer glass bottles to plastic or does it matter??  I am now worrying about that.  And I definitely am looking into a soda stream. 

Dx 11/28/2013, DCIS, Grade 2 Surgery 12/18/2013 Mastectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 2/20/2014 Breast
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Jun 17, 2014 01:54PM - edited Jun 17, 2014 01:57PM by leggo

The plastic bottles for the sodastream are very safe.....I made sure. They do recommend you don't use hot water to wash them, though, but that's so you don't weaken them and have it blow up in your face.

Just had to share a funny story. My son wanted champagne to celebrate when the Habs were on track to win the Stanley Cup. He and his friends bought bottles of Baby Duck, added the bubbly with an old sodastream we had laying around and had a great old time soaking themselves with it.

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Jun 17, 2014 02:14PM kayfh wrote:

The bottles are BPA free.  That said, if I ever need to get a new Soda Stream (it is still going strong after almost 5 years) I will definitely get one with glass bottles.  Even if they are just more aesthetically pleasing.  Life is too short for unattractive plastic.

Funny son Loopy.  

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Jun 17, 2014 02:16PM kayfh wrote:

leggo.  Were you dx in the spring of 2009?  

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Jun 17, 2014 02:39PM TB90 wrote:

Thanks.  I am ordering one on-line almost as we speak.  It will more than pay for itself in our house. 

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Jun 17, 2014 03:54PM Concerned111 wrote:

All this good news - I say YAY! Happy Adding fresh squeezed lemon to the seltzer is very beneficial to our immune systems. Cheers!

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Jun 17, 2014 05:41PM slv58 wrote:

Another thank goodness! I'm another one who is addicted to her soda stream-with a squirt of lemon juice or sometimes a few ounces of 100% fruit juice. Good to know I'm ok drinking 2 litres a day of this, thanks for the research!

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Jun 17, 2014 06:14PM - edited Jun 17, 2014 06:16PM by peggy_j

Re: glass v. plastic. If you have the option, I'd say choose glass. There have been some studies that found different nasty stuff coming from some types of bpa-free plastic.  sorry to have to share this:

http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/BPA-free-plas...

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Jun 17, 2014 06:34PM leggo wrote:

Uh-oh. Might have to upgrade. The glass bottles don't fit the other machines. The Penguin models are really expensive, though.

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Jun 17, 2014 06:37PM - edited Jun 17, 2014 06:41PM by leggo

Thinking about it for a moment, the water is really only in there a short while. OK you think? Could much leach out in like ten seconds?

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Jun 17, 2014 08:53PM kayfh wrote:

good question!  Does carbonating the water making leaching of narsty things faster? 

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Jun 17, 2014 09:32PM Basia wrote:

Please say it isn't so! I need my soda stream! I've given up everything else

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Jun 17, 2014 10:37PM leggo wrote:

Basia, I'm thinking it's all good. But just to be on the safe side, I'm going to continue doing what I do now to lessen the risk of any weird plastic exposure. I keep large pitchers of water in the fridge and fill the sodastream bottles as I use them. Then I pour it into a big glass of ice anyway (can't ever be cold enough for me). That way, the water is really only exposed to the plastic for seconds. For all I know, my glasses were made in China and who knows what's in them. Winking The kids are too embarrassed to use the sodastream bottles anyway, so they usually end up doing the same with their stainless bottles. I think it's safe as long as we dispose of the bottles on the expiry date.

Just because I'm curious, did any of you experience that whole boycott thing? I remember hubby coming home from getting a fill and bitching that he had to dodge protesters outside the store. People are nutty.

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Aug 23, 2015 11:10AM cowgal wrote:

I have contemplated buying a SodaStream for a long time. I found a good deal on one the other day and couldn't pass it up and got the Source model. Now I am second guessing whether this will be a bigger headache then it is worth and trying to decide if I just need to go and return it. When I went to Walmart to get some extra bottles and stuff for it, I noticed it was on sale like maybe they were trying to close out selling SodaStream stuff or that a completely different system was coming out. I also did not realize that to get a refilled CO2 bottle that I would have to travel quite a distance to be able to exchange my CO2 bottle as I live in a rural area so none of the exchange locations are anywhere close. I just figured that enough of you sound like you have been using these awhile and might have some helpful suggestions. I do love carbonation and thought this would be the best way to get it and be able to make my own drinks without a lot of the stuff that is in regular pop.

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