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Posted on: Nov 2, 2010 08:21PM - edited Feb 7, 2011 10:14PM by impositive

impositive wrote:

Has anyone researched the theory that cancer is fungal related?
Diagnosis: 10/23/2009, IDC, 2cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/8 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+

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Nov 3, 2010 08:28AM Fighter_34 wrote:

With a 2cm tumor I would still let a Oncologist follow me closely.

Holistically is a good option however keep in mind taking two or three 'supplements' a day will not kill cancer. Supplements are just what they are called supplements you need a LARGE quanity to serve the purpose of Chemo. 

Best of Luck!

Dx 8/30/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
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Nov 3, 2010 08:49AM - edited Aug 20, 2013 03:05AM by dlb823

impositive ~ I would add that with a Grade 3 (aggressive), hormone negative, Her2+ (more aggressive) tumor, I would at least seek out an opinion from an integrative oncologist -- one who is completely familiar with both conventional and complementary & alternative therapies.

I have always been extremely holistic in my approach to my health, but when it comes to the baking soda theory, I personally think that's a bit out there and has been debunked (at least baking soda as serious cancer treatment) by too many experts.  (You might want to try a search for "baking soda" using the SEARCH feature to upper right.  I think you'll find some discussions about it, hopefully with good research cites.  If not, let me know and I'll try to help you track them down.)

I am normally very supportive of CAM therapies, especially when used in an integrative way or after some convention treatment.  But with your specific stats, please be very, very careful whose advice or theory you decide to follow.  At the risk of sounding harsh, your life literally depends on it.     Deanna

P.S. ~ Here's a link that might be helpful:  http://www.integrativeonc.org/

Deanna "The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears" Native American proverb Dx 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 1/3/2014, Stage IV
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Nov 3, 2010 08:57AM LJ13-2 wrote:

Deanna is being very tactful.

Me, not so much. Using alt-only "treatment" of  grade 3, HER2 positive invasive breast cancer is tantamount to slow suicide.

No one wants breast cancer, no one wants toxic treatments, but the difference between life and death is making the choice to live by getting the necessary treatments to destroy the cancer.

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Nov 3, 2010 09:31AM BrokenHeart wrote:

Please listen to the three ladies above.  Here is another link within the forum with a similar subject and links that point to the theory debunked.

http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/79/topic/728608

Please do not risk your life - because that is exactly what you are choosing, and with your type of BC, even I as a high risk woman would not be game enough to play with that. 

Take care, and I wish you well in well informed choices and outcomes that are positive for your health. Zeana

Mum is ER+PR+HER DX 1989 IDC Stage 0 ::: Stage IV mets to lung Dx 1999 - 2010 mets to bone and liver:2011 - Liver Failing - End Stage Care Only: My beautiful mother passed away 8/15/2011 Dx 5/15/2010, IDC, <1cm, Stage IV, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Nov 3, 2010 12:18PM Hindsfeet wrote:

Impositive, I'm with you. I've also done a lot of reading from both camps. I'm just getting over a major candida infection (due to triple antibiotics in erradicating H Pylori, which can cause stomach cancer)  Candida through a leaky gut can surge through out your body causing disease and possibly cancer.

Conventional treatment may not be enough. The invasive yeast fungus should be removed with an anti-fungal treatment and Candida diet.  

In an extensive review of what causes cancer, in his book CANCER, Cause, Cure and Cover Up, Ronald Gdanski examines the many similarities between the growth patterns of cancer cells and parasitic yeast.
he points out that when an injury or infection occurs, the normal human cell multiplies its "growth factor" (its ability to create new cells) in order to heal the injury. When parasitic yeast infiltrates an injury or infection, it acts in much the same way as the host cell - multiplying its growth factor.

As they inter-mingle, they create mutated cells with flaws in the cell walls that prevent the collection of cells from connecting properly to finally close the wound. The result is overgrowth of mutated cells - in effect cancer.

 Carolyn Dean (who is both a medical doctor and alternative health expert), when considering what causes cancer says,

"It is a scientific fact that, when yeast cells reach a certain critical mass, they change from a round budding stage to a thread-like tissue-invasive stage. . . In the small intestine, the yeast threads poke microscopic holes in the intestinal lining.

Such a phenomenon is called "leaky gut" - a superhighway to the blood stream with nothing to block toxins trickling across the gut lining.

Instead of absorbing life-giving nutrients through an intact intestinal wall, yeast's chemical by-products, (all 180 of them), and the inflammatory products they produce, (undigested food molecules, toxins, and other chemicals), take a one-way ride." 6

That one way ride creates a chronic fungal infection that leaves the individual vulnerable to the cancer effect described above.

  1. Both cancer and Candida feed on sugar.

  2. Both grow and reproduce only in anaerobic environments. 7,8

  3. Both need an acidic environment to survive.

  4. When you probe cancer cells within the human body, they appear white in color and uneven in texture just like yeast.

You have only to observe Oral Thrush (Candida of the mouth) to realize that they appear to be one and the same.

Further, in a comprehensive study by Lankenau Hospital Research Institute and the Institute for Cancer Research (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania), researchers found fungi present in virtually all cancerous tumors they examined.

Dx 6/13/2014, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Nov 3, 2010 12:47PM impositive wrote:

I think you ladies got me wrong. I haven't chosen to TREAT with baking soda. I had a lumpectomy but I have chosen to change my lifestyle and become reaposible for my own health. That means that I spend lots of time researching for myself what this thing called cancer is and ALL the treatments available. I am very surprised at the responses being that this forum is titled "Alternative, Complementary and Holistic Treatment but I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the imput. It seems that you are alI very caring and compassionate. I realize I am taking on a huge responsibility by shunning the current treatments available in traditional medicine but I just cant bring myself be subjected to the poison and burn treatments. It just doesnt feel right.  My Paternal grandmother had breast cancer back in the 1950's and the treatment was the same then that it is now. I remember as a young child thinking how barbaric it was just to cut off her breasts. Why hasn't this war on cancer progressed any more than that in all this time?  Could you imagine if they found a cure? What would happen to this trillion dollar a year industry? Believe me, I haven't always had this mindset. I have always trusted doctors and did everything I was told. I had Melanoma 7 years ago and also Basil Cell Carcinoma and went thru all the treatments as told.  This time though I decided I need to take responsibility for my actions. A wise man once said, "If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten." 

If you research the fungal relationship, you'll find that it makes sense.  Mycology (the study of fungus) is a very interesting prospect but it isnt taught in medical school aside from the occassional yeast infection or toenail fungus. Dr Young's (the pH guy) book "Sick and Tired" talks about the fungus/cancer. Those of you who are doing the pH thing might be interested in reading it, if you haven't already. Dr AV Constantini with the WHO also wrote a book about it and Dr. Simoncini is a Board Certified Oncologist. His Sodium Bicarbinate treatment is based on the fact that fungus cant live in a high pH environment. SB raises pH!  These guys aren't quacks, they are traditional doctors/scientists who believe there is something to this theory.  I have to say that I do as well and I was simply trying to see if any of you have done any research regarding this.  I'm always looking for information!  If anyone's interested, go to Doug Kauffman's website and look around or watch his show. (You can find the listings in your area at his site).  Information is never a bad thing.  Of course we can choose to do with it what we want. Thanks again ladies, I will look at the links. I appreciate every bit of info I can get. 

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Nov 3, 2010 01:33PM - edited Nov 3, 2010 03:09PM by LJ13-2

Herceptin isn't a poison. It is a monoclonal antibody. It has no toxic side effects with the exception of possible heart function suppression, which usually clears up if the treatment is discontinued.

It is one of the many breakthrough treatments that have been introduced since the 1950s. 

Unless you are a  member of the medical community, you probably are not able to access up to date medical information, which is likely why you are quoting very misguided perceptions of medical treatment for breast cancer.

How much of your "research" is within .edu or .gov domains?

Mycology is certainly covered in Medical School. Please show me a link to a Med School that fails to teach this subject. We hear this kind of misinformation constantly around here. XXXXX is not taught in medical school. You name it. Nutrition, mycology, whatever the alternative practitioner is peddling, this is what they claim is not taught in medical school. Unless you research what IS taught in medical schools, you are simply substituting an alternative practitioner's judgment for a doctor's. 

Alternative practitioners are not charities. Alt medicine rakes in billions of dollars too, generally by putting forth unproven claims on gullible and often very fearful (and frequently very ill) people.

You cannot alter your body's ph with pills, baking soda, an "alkaline" diet, or any other such nonsense. (You may, possibly, alter the pH of your urine, but this has nothing to do with your body's pH. That can only be checked with a blood test.) An altered pH is achieved, sometimes, by alcoholics and diabetics in a crisis situation, however this is a medical emergency when it occurs.

As far as your claim that the people peddling fungus theories and baking soda cures aren't quacks, I beg to differ. Physicians, physicians associations, the ACS, ASCO, and quack debunkers all have cited overwhelming evidence as to the level of quackery. With actual proof of it.

You may choose to believe it, but don't insult our intellligence by claiming it's legitimate.

EDITed to correct a couple of typos.

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Nov 3, 2010 01:35PM LJ13-2 wrote:

Barry, if you poo, it's brown. If you look at the ground, it's brown.

Does that prove that poo is mud?

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Nov 3, 2010 04:34PM CrunchyPoodleMama wrote:

impositive, my first reaction to reading your post was similar to what others have responded, only because of your HER2+ status (and I'm a big-time believer in nutrition/lifestyle in disease management).

While I personally would probably not do chemo or radiation, I have to say, if I were HER2+, I would very likely agree to Herceptin... while simultaneously pursuing an aggressively anti-cancer, antifungal, alkalizing diet and lifestyle. Modern medicine obviously doesn't have all the answers or even most of them, but there are a few specific medicine developments that are truly life-saving, and Herceptin is one of them.

BTW, there are many intelligent women on this forum who are voices of reason. Many of them have posted on this thread. However, occasionally trollish characters wander in who think they know everything and are sure to call everything in the nutrition/lifestyle camp quackery just because someone on the Internet wrote an article calling it so, and rather than posting in the spirit of education and compassion, they resort to sarcasm and insults. I suggest you put such people on "ignore."

Julia ~ Dear friends, do what you can to help your body fight/prevent cancer. 1. Supplement with iodine and vitamin D. 2. STOP taking hormonal birth control/HRT. 3. Eat organic real food, not chemical or fake food. Dx 11/13/2009, DCIS, 4cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/0 nodes, ER+/PR+
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Nov 3, 2010 05:05PM Suzmor wrote:

Thanks for sharing this information.

I sent you a private message.

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Nov 3, 2010 05:06PM - edited Aug 20, 2013 03:05AM by dlb823

impositive ~ Passions aside, the bottom line -- from someone (me) who is actually extremely pro alternative medicine (check the Natural Girls thread -- I'm on your side!)  -- is that a lumpectomy alone is probably not enough to assure you of ridding your body of every cancer cell, nor is it probably sufficient enough to ensure that your highly aggressive (that's the Her2+ factor) invasive bc won't come back.  I'm really sorry to be the bearer of that tough information, and in the end, you will believe what you choose.  But I've been at this game long enough to have come to the conclusion that certain breast cancers require more than a lumpectomy and alternative followup. 

Please be sure you understand the considerable risk you are taking by going strictly alternative at this point.  As someone said above, no one likes conventional bc tx  -- which, by the way, I think has made huge strides with drugs like Herceptin, and will make significantly more with its newest emphasis on genomics-based medicine.  But many of us end up doing conventional tx because there is no proven data supporting any other forms of primary treatment for invasive breast cancer.  Everything else, hopefully, is to prevent a recurrence.  But a 2cm tumor has been growing for awhile, and that's what I'm concerned about -- being absolutely sure none of those cells escaped, because the most well-researched diet & alternative protocols may not address them if they're already there.

Hope this makes sense, and please don't think I don't understand.  I was very much were you are when I was first dx'd -- researching, probing, digging, to find viable tx options to chemo and rads.  But, in the end, I reluctantly decided to do chemo & then rads and to use every other thing I could to complement those txs and rebuild my body.    Deanna  

Deanna "The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears" Native American proverb Dx 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 1/3/2014, Stage IV
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Nov 3, 2010 05:10PM - edited Aug 20, 2013 03:05AM by impositive

LJ13-2,

Here are the Herceptin side effects directly from their own website. These are the most common: fever, nausea vomiting, infusion reactions, diarrhea, infections, increased cough, headache fatigue, shortness of breath, rash, low white and red blood cell count, muscle pain. These are the more serious:  Infusion and lung problems. Infusion reactions have been reported leading to death. Lungs problems are pulmonary toxicity and the other is an allergic type reaction that can interfere with breathing. It can result in heart problems including reduced heart function and congestive heart failure which can be fatal.

I do have an oncologist and my protocol was to be TCH which is more than just Herceptin. No I am not a member of the medical community but as I said, I have done the research and I for one do not want these drugs, poisons, whatever we would like to label them injected into me.  That is my choice and thank God we still live in a country where we can make that choice.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't "quote" anyone with misguided perceptions of treatments. A GREAT deal of my research has indeed been done within the .edu and .gov domains and I simply choose to look at other options. The traditional way hasn't worked for everyone.  We probably all know someone whom it has failed.

Since you know that Mycology certainly IS taught in Med school, I suppose that means you went go to Med school or have done your own research into that subject? Otherwise, that puts you in the same boat as myself. Btw, I did not say Mycology wasnt taught, what I did say was that it's very limited. If you are interested, take a look at this letter written by Glenn S Bulmer from the UST School of Medicine and Surgery.www.springerlink.com/content/n... He expounds on the Med school teachings of Mycology. I know this is just one man's view but there are others I've heard from first hand. Do you know who funds a big part of our doctors education? Pharmacuetical Companies. (You can do your research on that as well. Doesnt that seem like a huge conflict of interest?) I have great respect for doctors but they only know what they are taught( just like the rest of us) and they have to rely on that unless they do their own research and I dont know many doctors who have the time to do that on their own.. 

Are you a doctor or scientist that has studied in this field? If not, who are you to say that you can not alter your body pH and that it is nonsense? Btw, you go on to say it IS possible in extreme cases such as alcoholics and diabetics. Is it possible or isnt it? I dont know about you but my cancer is an extreme case. What I put in my mouth can cause my bodily fluids to become more or less acidic. If you agree that you can change the pH of your urine, why would you believe that you can not change the pH of the blood?  

As far as your quacks go, show me the proof you say they have in debunking these theories. No company pharmacuetical or otherwise would fund studies on the baking soda theory because baking soda cant be patented. They are not going to put their money and efforts into something that they cant get a return on. That's just the way business is and like or not... this is a business. How many researchers, doctors, scientists or inventors in history have been persecuted only to find later that they were right?

And finally, I never meant to insult anyone's intelligence. I was merely bringing up the subject to gather and offer information.  I need to take some responsibility in my own outcome. That is how I feel empowered. That is how I feel I have some control over this parasite (so to speak).

Wow...this is, after all, the Alternative, Complementary and Holistic forum.   

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Nov 3, 2010 05:51PM crazy4carrots wrote:

No company pharmacuetical or otherwise would fund studies on the baking soda theory because baking soda cant be patented. They are not going to put their money and efforts into something that they cant get a return on. That's just the way business is and like or not... this is a business.

Impositive -- I just want to clarify something for you.  There is a great deal of research carried out at universities and research institutes around the world, based on certain theories, that are not likely to produce vast amounts of $$ returns.  Vitamin D research is one example.  I know a couple of docs at U of Toronto who have done a great deal of research on the value (or possible harm) of flaxseed on breast and prostate cancer.  This type of research is going on all the time.  IMHO, if the baking soda theory had any merit, there would be many, many studies taking place.

The vast majority of original research is not undertaken by pharmaceutical houses.  In fact, pharma acts largely as the manufacturer in bench-to-bedside medicine.

Good luck to you in whatever route you take.

The demagogue preaches doctrine he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. Dx 1/10/2008, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
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Nov 3, 2010 06:50PM impositive wrote:

lindasa,

I stand corrected. Of course you are right about those university studies.   

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Nov 3, 2010 07:29PM impositive wrote:

Barry,

I'm not familiar with the book you mention by Robert Gdanski. I will definitely add that to my "must reads". 

Aflatoxins are a known carcenogen and they are a mycotoxin of fungus (Aspergillius Flavus). They are probably the most known and widely researched mycotoxins out there and also currently the only one to be screened by the federal government. (I think it's 20 parts per billion allowed, cant remember.)   Any one can google that and get facts. Aflatoxin has been occassionally detected in many foods but the highest risk foods are corn, peanuts, grains and cottonseed. Dr Ruth Etzel (Epidemiologist) states that peanuts are commonly contaminated and corn is almost universally contaminated.

How many of our processed food products use corn or corn by-products?!  Ugh, I think twice before reaching for that bag of corn chips!

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Nov 3, 2010 08:45PM CrunchyPoodleMama wrote:

That is very interesting about corn, peanuts, grains and cottonseed, impositive... I stopped consuming corn after my diagnosis (because so much of it is GMO, plus I had cut out processed foods) except for occasional organic non-GMO corn chips, and recently have temporarily cut out nearly all grains, and I hate peanuts... hopefully this will bode well for staving off a recurrence!

Julia ~ Dear friends, do what you can to help your body fight/prevent cancer. 1. Supplement with iodine and vitamin D. 2. STOP taking hormonal birth control/HRT. 3. Eat organic real food, not chemical or fake food. Dx 11/13/2009, DCIS, 4cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/0 nodes, ER+/PR+
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Nov 3, 2010 10:51PM - edited Dec 1, 2010 09:05PM by Hindsfeet

 Impositive...I appreciate your research and stand. After researching for myself, I too after 2 lumpectomies, decided against rads and tamoxifin.

Since my recent candida infection, I've done a lot of research on it and I am too convince that an overgrowth of yeast or fungus is distructive to our cells and when our immune system is compromised it can cause major damage to our body.


Diagnosis: 11/27/2008, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+

Dx 6/13/2014, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Nov 4, 2010 02:33PM impositive wrote:

CrunchyPoodleMama, Yes, GMOs are another big scary issue. Mycotoxins found in these foods are poisons. Even if one cant agree with the "cancer is a fungus" theory, just avoiding these poisons can go a long way in getting our immune systems working properly!

How hard has this been for you to cut out all those foods? I struggle with this daily. I ate terribly before, processed foods, sugar, starches, hardly any vegetables.

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Nov 4, 2010 03:49PM CrunchyPoodleMama wrote:

Barry, yikes, that is horrible that your doctor prescribed antibiotics... that's the worst thing you can do when you have a yeast infection! Ugh! Thank goodness your naturopath was able to help you!

impositive, it was a huge adjustment at first. I used to look at the clock at 5:30 and think, "Crap, I need to throw something together for dinner," run to the store, buy some microwaveable monstrosity, and bam, dinner (complete with GMOs and carcinogens) was ready in 10 minutes.

After my diagnosis, I basically stopped buying food at the grocery store and started buying it at local organic/grass-fed farms. I buy things that are seasonal/cyclical (even meat/eggs) and plan meals ahead of time (sometimes WAY ahead of time... like soaking organic beans the night before or making a marinade from scratch and marinating for 24 hours. Talk about a big change!

But, you get used to it surprisingly quickly... the benefits are just so overwhelming (not just preventing a recurrence, but everything improves... including your own personal happiness!) that I can't imagine ever going back. My husband and I went to a dinner meeting at a restaurant, and the restaurant food tasted so disgusting to me... I could actually taste chemicals. I know that sounds like a drawback (what fun is eating in a restaurant if it tastes gross?!), but we do still eat out (just at certain specific restaurants where the food is fresh and even organic when possible). When I tasted that chemical food, I thought, Wow, I'm so glad I'm feeding my body with what it was designed for, instead of this garbage.

You really do develop a taste for fresh vegetables etc. That seemed impossible for me to believe in my sugar-addict days, but most sweets really do taste sickeningly sweet to me. My husband bought me a pint of Ben & Jerry's Snickerdoodle ice cream because he knows I used to love it. I took a few bites of it and it just tasted way too sweet. That pint of Ben & Jerry's is still in the freezer weeks later (I should go throw it out)... I'm not even tempted!

So I guess the short answer is, it's REALLY hard at first... especially that first week... but then it gets easier and then it gets wonderful!

Julia ~ Dear friends, do what you can to help your body fight/prevent cancer. 1. Supplement with iodine and vitamin D. 2. STOP taking hormonal birth control/HRT. 3. Eat organic real food, not chemical or fake food. Dx 11/13/2009, DCIS, 4cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/0 nodes, ER+/PR+
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Nov 4, 2010 05:23PM impositive wrote:

Barry, I'm glad to hear that you finally got a diagnosis. I dont know why traditional doctors are so resistant to yeast, fungus and mold. They are everywhere just like bacteria and virus but for some reason they have trouble with fungus. I'm sure they are good people, they are just diagnosing people based on what they've been taught.

My mom is overweight and has a plethora of health problems; diabetic, restless legs syndrome,high blood pressure, high cholesterol, the list goes on. She is on numerous medications.  She went to her Dr. today and her blood sugar is "a little high" and her cholesterol is at 400!!  I asked her if he talked to her about her diet and she said "No, he just wrote me another perscription." WHAT? are you kidding me? This makes me angry. I try to talk to her about diet but I dont usually make any headway. I was hoping coming from her doc she would listen but he didnt even ask her what her diet consisted of, he just reached in his pocket and pulled out his Rx pad.Ugh... 

Antibiotics destroy the good bugs in our gut. I think even if we have one round of them in our lifetime, yeast can overgrow and eventually wreak havoc. Just think of how many times they are perscribed in one person's lifetime. It's scary. I think you are on the right track with the probiotic. I take them as well.

I ran across an article today that I found very well written at associatedcontent.com. You can type-Is cancer a fungus- in their search box and find the article.  When I found it, I happened to be searching for articles and studies related to fungus found in cancer patients at autopsy. It seems to be quite a frequent finding which lends more to this theory. 

In Kauffman's book The Germ that Causes Cancer, he lists 5 things that fungus and cancer have in common. 1) Both cancer cells and fungi can metabolize nutrients in the absence of oxygen (anaerobically) 2) Both must have sugar in order to survive 3) Both produce lactic acid 4) Both respond to antifungal medicines-at least some cancers have "amazingly" gone into remission or reduced in size when an antifungal medicine was used to treat a co-existing fungal infection. 5) Both will die in the abscence of sugar. We will die too if we dont eat anything but fungi and cancer cells are particularly fond of carbohydrates-sugar!   He goes on to say the fact that cancer cells and fungi cells share such vital characteristics may be more than just coincidence. The implication is that we may be confusing fungal cells and human cells that are infected with fungi, as cancer. Indeed Mycologists say that this can and does occur even when these cells are viewed under a microscope and especially if a fungal infection is never considered as a cause of the problem. What's worse is, the cancer therapies, by way of their immune suppressing effects, could hasten an established fungal infection and give way to more opportunistic fungal infections in the body. The "secondary" fungal infection that developed during chemotherapy might not have been secondary at all. Rather the chemo may have simply allowed the primary fungal problem to proliferate.

All that gives me hope. When you "know the cause" of something, it certainly makes it much easier to deal with.  There are lots of antifungals out there, be they all natural such as certain foods and things such as olive leaf extract, oregano oil etc., as well as precription only medications such as Nystatin (used to treat fungal infections of the skin, mouth, vagina and intestinal tract) and Diflucan (systemic treatment). If it were me, I would talk to my Nurse Practitioner about those, stay on an antifungal diet and keep taking those probiotics.

Congrats on hitting the 2 year mark! 

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Nov 4, 2010 07:22PM Hindsfeet wrote:

How I got rid of my fungal infection...or the worse of it!

1. yeast free diet (no sugar, wheat, or starches)

2. Floral...Probiotics (purchase the type that's refregerated)

3. Paul D Arco (detoxes ... teas or liquid form are good) I took a Paul D Arco pill out of the capsule...placed it on my tongue) bitter but you get used to it.

4. Aloe Vera Juice (once a day) gargle and swallow...

5. L Glutamine

6. Spilantaues Usnea (little bottle) put dropper full four times a day...works mirculously. After a few days my heavy coated tongue cleared up.

7. B-12 drops (includes all B vitamins)

8. Selineum

9. Much Prayer :)

Dx 6/13/2014, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Nov 4, 2010 08:14PM MariannaLaFrance wrote:

Wow, I wish my sugar taste would go away. I really wish that commercial ice cream tasted bad to me, but it still tastes great!!! I went for a long time with no gluten, no sugar. I broke it over Halloween weekend, and I can honestly say that the candy I tasted out of my kids' Halloween bags was SO GOOD!! I raided the bag 3 X this week for a quick "chocolate fix".. and feel pretty guilty about it, after I've been SO DARNED GOOD for so long!!! Back to the detox for me....Frown

By the way, what does Paul D' Arco do? I think I need to add Selenium as well. I am thinking I don't get enough....

Dx 1/26/2010, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 1, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Nov 4, 2010 08:20PM - edited Aug 20, 2013 03:06AM by CrunchyPoodleMama

Marianna, how long did you go without sugar? My theory is that you have to go without it for a certain length of time before you lose the taste for refined sugar. I have no idea how long that is, but I know I didn't consume anything sweet (not even fruit) for a couple of months after I was diagnosed, and I don't think I'd had anything with white sugar in it until that ice cream incident... so over a year.

But, when it comes to things like Jolly Ranchers and Laffy Taffy, I have to treat it like I'm an alcoholic... I can see myself totally bingeing on those! Then again, maybe by now the HFCS and artificial flavors and colors would taste gross to me... I am steering clear though so I guess I'll never know! hee hee

OH, I take that back about no white sugar for over a year... every once in a while I indulge in some dark chocolate which does have sugar. I stand corrected!

Julia ~ Dear friends, do what you can to help your body fight/prevent cancer. 1. Supplement with iodine and vitamin D. 2. STOP taking hormonal birth control/HRT. 3. Eat organic real food, not chemical or fake food. Dx 11/13/2009, DCIS, 4cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/0 nodes, ER+/PR+
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Nov 4, 2010 09:04PM asschercut wrote:

Tooo funny MariannaHB, and Crunchy! I just Googled Jolly Ranchers and Laffy Taffy....they're lollies. Geez, I can't remember the last time I had a lolly? They look a tasty treat!

I cheat on Sundays...there I said it. My family and I go out for a lovely breakfast...and then again to a nice restaurant in the evening. I'm not too bad with my choices of foods. But after giving up coffee a year and a half ago...I really look forward to having a weak cappuccino and a yummy gluten free cake or a delectable pastry on Sunday mornings. Other than that I steer clear away from refined sugars.

Victoria

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Nov 5, 2010 03:06PM impositive wrote:

Barry, How long did it take you to get rid of the symptoms on your regimen? Are you still following the diet?  It's Soooooo hard for me. I guess I'm a sugar addict (and refined carbs) but I haven't had any of that...nothing...nada sice 11/2 so hopefully, I can get over the hump and get it all out of my system!  One year off sugar? Crunchy, that's my goal!

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Nov 5, 2010 03:49PM MariannaLaFrance wrote:

Crunchy, I aspire to get one year without sugar. I guess I am on the 12 step program at the moment, one day at a time, LOL. I just raided the Halloween basket AGAIN due to a stressful day at work. At 3p, I thought... WTH, just grab some chocolate so you feel better! Ugh! Detox starts..... tommorow? Wink  I can't believe I spoiled 4 months' worth of work in just one short week.....
Dx 1/26/2010, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 1, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Nov 5, 2010 10:15PM - edited Dec 1, 2010 09:07PM by Hindsfeet

Impositive....I'm really bad at diets. Every once in a while I treat myself to dessert or something sweet. My husband was unhappy that I gave the bag of Holloween chocolates away. Like someone said, it's like alocohol....can't have it around :) No matter what, it's about impossible to get rid of all the yeast in us. My motto is "balance". It's good to detox, eat healthy, take supplements, and stay positive...don't over obsess about it!  I believe that Pau D Arco is key, probiotics and Spilantaues Usnea. You can get them at a Health Food Store or New Seasons.

How long did it take me to rid my body of yeast?  I must say that I had a candida infection for months and possible years due to a low immune system, and H Pylori infection. I wasn't able to get rid of the yeast until the H Pylori was irradicated. Afterwards it took about 2 wks of detox, and anti yeast supplements before I felt well. 
Diagnosis: 11/27/2008, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+

Dx 6/13/2014, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Nov 6, 2010 05:34PM Hindsfeet wrote:

The problem is once the yeast penetrate the gut it gets everywhere. Whilst they might start off in your gut, they soon pass into the blood stream and then, like Alien, they are loose in the mother ship. The yeast make an alcohol as a by-product of their very existence, and this alcohol feeds cancer cells. Moreover Yeasts are anaerobes - they don't use oxygen to metabolise and survive. If they move round your body and colonise an area of your breast or prostate they set up anaerobic conditions. And cancer thrives in situations where oxygen levels are lowered.
Dx 6/13/2014, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Nov 6, 2010 08:52PM - edited Aug 20, 2013 03:07AM by impositive

Here is a very good description of fungus (yeast and mold) and their mycotoxins (myco=fungus, toxins=poisons) and what they can do to us.

fungalbionicsbookseries.com/fungi-my.htm

The Fungalbionics books are a series of bookswritten by a group of doctors / directors of the UN's World Health Organization.

One of the books in the series is called "Breast Cancer, Hope at Last" which I mentioned in a previous post here.

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Nov 6, 2010 09:43PM - edited Aug 20, 2013 03:07AM by Hindsfeet

Candida puts out receptors on its cell surface which are actually human receptors for connective tissue and the immune system. If the body attacks the Candida in the intestinal tract, the body's immune system will attack anything which looks like the Candida. Because of the connective tissue receptors on Candida, the body's immune system may attack other cells in the body which have these receptors. (autoimmune disease, like thyroid)

Many tissues such as the joints have connective tissue and as the body attacks the Candida, the body will also attack these cells. The result is painful joints or other inflamed tissues.

Candida also has receptors which are similar to those in the brain. When these cells are attacked, the result is multiple sclerosis.

In other words, Candida acts as a long term vaccination displaying the body's own cellular receptors to the body's immune system. When the immune system sees such receptors for a long enough time, it will attack cells which display such receptors, which includes the cells of the body. There is research which shows that such immune system reactions occur. The yeast Candida is the primary target. If the Candida is removed the body stops attacking itself.

http://www.candidafree.net/resource_40.htm

I'm wondering once my candida is erradicated if my thyroid autoimmune diease will disappear?

Dx 6/13/2014, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+

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