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This forum is a safe, judgement-free place to discuss Alternative medicine. Alternative medicine refers to treatments that are used INSTEAD of standard, evidence-based treatment. Breastcancer.org does NOT recommend or endorse alternative medicine.

Posted on: Aug 8, 2011 10:32AM

dougbrimor wrote:

Has anyone used alternative treatments such as Lorriane Day, Chris Beat Cancer, The Hallelujah Diet and skipped the cookie cutter 6 weeks of radiation and five years of Tamoifen?  I am so confused , even the 2011 cancer book that the radaition department gave me in my red folder states that radiation can cause a second cancer, that they are working on improving these satatics.  I read the whole book cover to cover and was just blown away by what they are admitting of these chemicals.  Anyway, would like to know if anyone else is swinging on this bridge?  Thanks

Dx 7/18/2011, <1cm, Stage I, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Feb 5, 2012 09:59AM apple wrote:

me thinks the alchemists are poking fun.. not too cool.  I wish i could make gold.

peace and love, apple - ..... Mary Magdalen Dx 4/10/2008, IDC, 5cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 4/9 nodes, mets, ER+, HER2+
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Feb 5, 2012 11:33AM Kaara wrote:

Whatever they're smoking...I don't want any!

Kaara Dx 11/14/2011, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Feb 5, 2012 11:57PM MariaVan wrote:

Alchemy is definitely more than transforming things into gold. In the broadest sense it deals with transmutation of any elements and in some school of alchemy was also thought to relate to the spiritual transformation. Someone just sent me a link to an article in the UK Daily News reporting on a study done at the University of Leeds regarding the healing power of silver. The study showed that silver compounds are as effective at killing certain cancer cells as a leading chemotherapy drug, but with potentially far fewer side-effects. The healing power of metals, which is part of alchemy, has been known throughout the ages. I am not exactly sure how they used the silver in this study but maybe there's a "modern day alchemist" among us who knows more about silver and healing.

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Feb 6, 2012 08:37AM Heidihill wrote:

If someone were to discover a cure for cancer from any metal (including gold) that would be a gold mine. I think the principle for the silver treatment would be the same as platinum-based chemos, only cheaper. Cancer eventually finds a way around platinum chemos so it would be likely the same for silver (just guessing). But maybe silver atoms are smaller or there is something intrinsically different about silver that could give it an edge.

Dancing with Lt NED Dx 8/2007, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 2, 2/19 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- (FISH)
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Feb 6, 2012 08:49AM sweetbean wrote:

something tells me that these alchemists aren't doing silver-based chemo.

Dx 11/18/2010, ILC, 5cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 2, 2/15 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (FISH)
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Feb 6, 2012 04:53PM rosemary-b wrote:

A few thoughts here...

First of all I would like to welcome all the brand new members who have an interest in alchemy. It's amazing they could find each other at a breast cancer website of all places.

Sunspark's story about the Roman emperor sounds like Rumpelstiltskin I wonder which one came first. 

I wonder if the alchemists are really working with metals like lead and mercury. Those are so toxic, anyone working with them should be very careful. For example both metals I mentioned can cause cognitive problems.

Dx 2/25/2007, IDC, Stage I, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Feb 15, 2012 04:15PM - edited Feb 15, 2012 05:46PM by Moderators

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Dx 10/10/2011, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 2/21 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Feb 15, 2012 07:36PM Kathy044 wrote:

Yes, as Heidihill mentioned, this would be a silver based cytotoxic chemo sweetbean.

http://www.chem.leeds.ac.uk/home/news.html

"Researchers at the Universities of Leeds and Bradford have found that particular silver compounds are as toxic to cancer cells as the platinum-based drug Cisplatin, which is widely used to treat a range of cancers"

My husband, who is stage IV with another cancer, had platinum therapy last year. It failed after five cycles. Interesting comment that this is a common way that cancers respond to this type of therapy Heidihill. Thanks. He next tried a numbered antibody drug (along with reg chemo) in a clinical trial. That one lasted much longer before failing. So what's the point? In his case with each treatment the pain and sickness associated with the cancer disappeared. S/Es aren't everything

Dx 2009, ILC, Right, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 1/15 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 10/28/2009 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Underarm/Axillary Chemotherapy 12/15/2009 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Ellence (epirubicin), Fluorouracil (5-fluorouracil, 5-FU, Adrucil), Taxotere (docetaxel) Radiation Therapy 5/1/2010 Whole-breast: Breast Hormonal Therapy 6/3/2010 Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Feb 20, 2012 10:04PM - edited Feb 20, 2012 11:18PM by Bluebird-DE

I love this site -  http://www.alternativehealth.co.nz/cancer/homeopathy.htm   Homeopathy is one of the most genuine alchemeic practices, imo.   Flower essences.  Have heard of mineral and metal alchemy, not studied it.

Edited to add sorry, daughter called and I posted too soon.  The homeopathy  'cure', maybe for some, but all are different.  I can say one thing, I am preferring living now to back then.  

I am also one who chooses to use 'alternative' therapies, synergistic choices.   I want to heal my cancer cells, not try to kill them and possibly me in process.  I do several protocols a day all designedfor my one personal protocol.  I transition to different compatible protocols throughout the month, then back again.

"Every mistake I have made has proven to be invaluable information for someone. Namely, me." Me. Diane Dx 7/15/2011, IDC, Right, 2cm, Stage IV, metastasized to liver/lungs/other, Grade 3, 3/11 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 4/4/2017 Xeloda (capecitabine) Hormonal Therapy Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy Faslodex (fulvestrant) Targeted Therapy Ibrance (palbociclib) Radiation Therapy External: Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Left
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Feb 23, 2012 04:57PM abigail48 wrote:

possibly colloidal silver in a spray??  I notice that gary null promoting curcumin, found a study that it helped prostate a great deal, but doesn't meantion breast.  I note that it's estrogenic.......& am wondering why those pharms which prevent blood vessel formation arn't or are no longer used for breast.

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Feb 24, 2012 10:59AM - edited Feb 24, 2012 11:06AM by Ruby-

Newton the Alchemist

Sir Isaac Newton, the famous seventeenth-century mathematician and scientist, though not generally known as an alchemist, practiced the art with a passion....most scholars now concede that Newton was first an foremost an alchemist. It is also becoming obvious that the inspiration for Newton's laws of light and theory of gravity came from his alchemical work.

The revered founder of modern science and the mechanistic universe -- also ranks as one of the greatest spiritual alchemists of all time.  

www.alchemylab.com/isaac_newto... the Alchemist 

The Dibner Library of the History of Science and Technology, Smithsonian Institution Libraries

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/newton/mss/norm/ALCH00081

No comment 

“The cell’s intracellular cytoplasmic sea is an ocean of symphonic motion awash with incomprehensible complexity.” Howes, M.D., Ph.D Dx 2010, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 1, 3/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Feb 24, 2012 01:41PM Black-cat wrote:

Maud,

What point are you trying to make with the Newton post  and how does it pertain to this forum? You copied and pasted this information and than wrote no comment.  It makes no sense to me.

"It is impossible to reason someone out of something that he did not reason Dx 7/24/2009, IBC, 6cm+, Stage IIIC, Grade 2, 2/7 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Feb 24, 2012 05:16PM Ruby- wrote:

Well, I hear the distinguished Sir Isaac Newton turning over in his grave, so I thought a little lesson in history would benefit quite a few posters on this alternative forum.

“The cell’s intracellular cytoplasmic sea is an ocean of symphonic motion awash with incomprehensible complexity.” Howes, M.D., Ph.D Dx 2010, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 1, 3/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Feb 24, 2012 09:44PM Black-cat wrote:

Why would Isaac Newton be turning in his grave?   What lesson is there to be learned on reading his biography?  How is learning about Isaac Newton going to be benefiting members of BCO and which posters on the alternative forum need this benefit?

"It is impossible to reason someone out of something that he did not reason Dx 7/24/2009, IBC, 6cm+, Stage IIIC, Grade 2, 2/7 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Feb 25, 2012 05:24PM Ruby- wrote:

By what authority am I being asked to justify my post ?

“The cell’s intracellular cytoplasmic sea is an ocean of symphonic motion awash with incomprehensible complexity.” Howes, M.D., Ph.D Dx 2010, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 1, 3/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Feb 25, 2012 08:02PM Ang7 wrote:

How I read it was that she was asking you what your post is all about not asking you to justify it...

Very pleased Penguin Cold Cap user Dx 5/25/2009, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 1/4 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Feb 25, 2012 08:24PM Kaara wrote:

The subject of alchemy was discussed several pages back and this was simply a comment on those posts IMO!  Can we move on?

Kaara Dx 11/14/2011, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Mar 3, 2012 07:08PM abigail48 wrote:

homeopathy is a form of alchemy & is an alternate treatment.  there's a site I just found about the homeopathy alchemy, not as treatment, just as information (on a very quick read)

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Mar 4, 2012 07:21AM abigail48 wrote:

reading more on this site this morning I see that they offer a form of gold.  gold apparently turns to sludge in the body & isn't absorbed, causes only trouble. the water info on the site could be good, but the gold offering makes me question the whole bit of info

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Mar 10, 2012 07:48PM abigail48 wrote:

anyone try DMSO?  not an alternative, really, a chemical used in paper manufacturing, said to cure cancer, but also said to shrink brain as well as cancer.  a temptation not an alternate therapy I guess.

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Mar 10, 2012 09:07PM Bluebird-DE wrote:

I use DMSO for pain, in knees, perhaps a bee sting.  It helps whatever treatment to be absorbed more thoroughly, deeply.  It also does help pain.  I also use MSM for my protocols, again, making the treatments more viable, imo, and I prefer to hope of all hopes that this is working for me. 

The reason DMSO is only a solvent now in USA is that the trials that were proving it to be useful for so many health challenges were discontinued.  Recently, I read The Miracle of MSM: The Natural Solution for Pain. 

DMSO = MSM (15% of DMSO breakdown is MSM)

MSM is a metabolite of DMSO.  dimethyl sulfoxide

I will also be using it for LE, topically, starting this evening.  But up to now, I have been drinking some highly diliuted MSM water each day followed by other supplements in 15 minutes.

"Every mistake I have made has proven to be invaluable information for someone. Namely, me." Me. Diane Dx 7/15/2011, IDC, Right, 2cm, Stage IV, metastasized to liver/lungs/other, Grade 3, 3/11 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 4/4/2017 Xeloda (capecitabine) Hormonal Therapy Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy Faslodex (fulvestrant) Targeted Therapy Ibrance (palbociclib) Radiation Therapy External: Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Left
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Mar 11, 2012 12:14PM Ruby- wrote:

"anyone try DMSO? not an alternative, really, a chemical used in paper manufacturing, said to cure cancer, but also said to shrink brain as well as cancer. a temptation not an alternate therapy I guess"

Your source ? 

“The cell’s intracellular cytoplasmic sea is an ocean of symphonic motion awash with incomprehensible complexity.” Howes, M.D., Ph.D Dx 2010, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 1, 3/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Mar 16, 2012 01:18PM abigail48 wrote:

the helpful paer od cruciferous vegetables is sulfur

(dmSo)

My sourse about this stuff:  an aquaintance:  "you've never heard about dmso???I'm really surprised. "  (etc)

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Mar 16, 2012 01:30PM abigail48 wrote:

the lorriane therapy according to an observer, is a modified gerson therapy.  I read the cancer cure rate, for all cancers I guess, is 3%.  I did a quick think:  of the 35 people I know or heard sof who had cancer, 3 were cureds,  2 breast cancer, both had mastectomies fairly early, & 1 lung cancer.  he used a modified gerson therapy, some years later began bleeding & so then had surgery.  he's fine 20+ years later.  the others, 35 are all deadsd.  different kinds of cancer, blood, stomach, breast (most those), pancreatic, have no idea of what therapy used

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Mar 16, 2012 01:31PM abigail48 wrote:

that's about .99 0r 1% cure rate

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Mar 16, 2012 01:42PM abigail48 wrote:

but that cure rate isn't 5 year survival, or whatever they call cure now, it's many many year survival & d

ead of something else or still living.  one of the women survived for more than 60 years afterwards.

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Mar 16, 2012 01:43PM abigail48 wrote:

  • but I'm not concidering surgery:  I'd die of fear.
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Mar 17, 2012 03:13AM luv_gardening wrote:

Abigail, be aware when women say they've survived BC for a long time that they probably had an early stage which was surgically removed, or DCIS which can go away without any treatment.  They wouldn't have progressed anyway.

I don't know anyone on these alternative threads who would advise anyone not to have surgery at the very least.  Some women have sad tales to tell of how they had no surgery at first and used alternatives, then found they had mets due to their inaction.  If cancer grows through the skin that's a shocking and painful thing, worse than 100 operations. If it's near the chest wall then that also is a fatal situation if not removed.

You won't die of fear from an operation.  You will have help to get over your fears, just let your health care providers know.  Trust them, they want to help you.  Is there someone you can take along to appointments?  I'm worried about you.

Does the surgeon want to do a lumpectomy or a mastectomy?  I had a double mastectomy (BMX). Otherwise I'd have mets by now.  I didn't follow all their recommended treatments but I wanted the cancer removed as it sends out bad cells around the body if left there.

Dx 7/2/2009, ILC, 4cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 2, 9/24 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Mar 17, 2012 03:37AM Hindsfeet wrote:

joyslieswithin...good to see you here. I've learned a lot from you and respect your balance & research.

Dx 6/13/2014, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Mar 17, 2012 09:25AM Kaara wrote:

Abigail:  I second what JoyLiesWithin is saying.  Even the most ardent alternative professionals strongly suggest surgery, beause the body will have a much better chance of fighting off invading cells if the tumor is removed first; otherwise, the body has to work too hard to try and destroy the tumor.  If it can be removed, do it quickly.  Mine was quick and almost painless.

Kaara Dx 11/14/2011, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

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