Topic: Alternative Treatment

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Posted on: Aug 8, 2011 07:32AM

Posted on: Aug 8, 2011 07:32AM

dougbrimor wrote:

Has anyone used alternative treatments such as Lorriane Day, Chris Beat Cancer, The Hallelujah Diet and skipped the cookie cutter 6 weeks of radiation and five years of Tamoifen?  I am so confused , even the 2011 cancer book that the radaition department gave me in my red folder states that radiation can cause a second cancer, that they are working on improving these satatics.  I read the whole book cover to cover and was just blown away by what they are admitting of these chemicals.  Anyway, would like to know if anyone else is swinging on this bridge?  Thanks

Dx 7/18/2011, <1cm, Stage I, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 11, 2011 06:07PM KathleenLa wrote:

Hi:

I've read several of these posts and it pains me. I also have known others who took
Tamoxafin for the 5 years and in less than a year later, there was cancer showing up on the other side. This tells me that lowering estrogen isn't solving the problem. Especially with post-menopausal women. Does it make any sense that one would develop +estrogen +progesterone cancer when one's estrogen is already low? No!!! I had Stage ll, infiltrated lobular cancer. It was not early stage because the beloved mammogram didn't pick it up and the ultra sound didn't do it's job either. I had to have an MRI, and only then, did they see the cancer with all the arms and pathways coming from a main core. The mass was close to 4 centimeters. I had to have 4 fusions of chemo to shrink the cancer and that shrunk it to 2 centimeters. Then I had a double masectomy because I was NOT going to take any chances of this happening again. Mammograms do NOT pick up all cancers, especially when one is dense. Which I am.
My margins were clear after surgery, so I escaped radiation. I followed my oncologist suggestion to go on Arimadex. I stayed on it only one month. I decided I wasn't going to ruin my body for 5 years, joint problems, osteoporosis, arthritis, etc. I read so many women who are living in agony while on these "oral chemo" drugs??? who are so scared to go off the drugs because of cancer coming back. I did a search on "alternatives to Arimadex" and found a lot of research on D.I.M. (Diindolylmethane). This is a cruciferous supplement that is an extract of broccoli, cabbage, cabbage, spinach). This product "metabolizes estrogen". I found so much research on it I was amazed!! Why is this product so quiet? Check out Dr. Michael Zeligs. He has a patented product and he's done research on this for over 20 years as well as many other physicians. There are trials and studies out there that have positive results!. When I approached my oncologist, he knew nothing about this, of course! I decided to see an alternative doctor, and sure! They suggest this product to many women. Go figure!!! I am taking D.I.M. Plus, Dr. Michael Zeligs patented product and I get it at my local Herbarium Store. How simple is that. The I URGE women to research this product, read about it, learn it, search Dr. Michael Zeligs and see an alternative doctor and you will be amazed. I never knew we had "good" and "bad" estrogens and that they need to be metabolized or we are at risk of cancer. Hormones, chemicals, environment, stress can throw off metabolizm. When that happens, it's called "estrogen dominance". Estrogen dominance can cause auto-immune disorders. I've had more than one auto-immune disorder. I strongly believe that our estrogens need to be metabolized to stay risk free breast cancer. And I am amazed that regular medical doctor's or the pharmaceuticals do not even go there. I'm sure there are many money reasons why they don't. But medical doctor's hands are tied and they can't go there, they need to prescribe the drugs. So I do strongly advise women who've had breast cancer to seek out alternative/holistic doctors and have a talk with them. Good luck to all.
Kathleen

Dx 10/22/2010, ILC, 2cm, Stage II, Grade 2, 1/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Aug 11, 2011 08:11PM impositive wrote:

Doughbrimor, Sorry you are having to deal with this beast.   I too have swung from that bridge but was eventually able to pull myself up and am now crossing it to get to the other side.  My head spins too when I read those studies and everyone's interpretation of them.  The best advice that I received and I can give is to get educated to both sides of the coin.  Know what your choices are.  Don't let anyone push you into doing something that you dont feel good about.  Your bc didn't form overnight.  You have time to step back from the fear and get educated.   (Fear disables rational thought, IMO.)  Once you have done so, you will be able to make the right decision for YOU.  Beyond lumpectomy, I chose the alternative route based on my situation.  Had my bc been more advanced, who knows, I may have made a different choice.  Desperate times call for desperate measures so they say.  I have no regrets and am at peace with my choice.  I wish that for you.  Best of luck in your journey.  

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Aug 12, 2011 05:37AM dougbrimor wrote:

Kathleenla,  Thank you so much for sharing all this, thank you for talking to me, thank you for letting me know that you chose alternative and you are doing well.  People have said what do you want to die, because if you don't do the treatment you will.  I feel like the majority of people have been so brian washed, they have forgotten to think and get thinking and research.  I would love to knwo what the alternative doc has told you and what about your diet.  That is if you wish to share, it was so good, the reports are intimidating that have come down this thread and I sat and read and re read it and thought, I must be on overload because I am not understanding this as others di.  Again thank you

Dx 7/18/2011, <1cm, Stage I, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 12, 2011 11:18AM sweetbean wrote:

KathleenLA, 

How much DIM are you taking?  I am taking an Indole blend (includes DIM) of 400 mgs per day.   I am also taking Tamox, though, - DIM is supposed to help it.  I have been on it about 5 weeks.  My SE's are:  2 mild hot flashes per day, somewhat dry eyes, and a bit of vaginal discharge (sorry about the TMI.)  Other than that, it is no big deal.  I'm relieved!

Dx 11/18/2010, ILC, 5cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 2, 2/15 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+,
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Aug 12, 2011 03:20PM - edited Aug 13, 2011 02:06AM by thats-life-

kathleenla, if DIM is an extract of brassicas, has the vitamin K element been extracted from the tabs too?..i have been reading about the benefits of brassicas, and to incorporate them into our daily diet, but there were warnings about too much consumption of brassicas/vitamin K daily, and potential clotting issues etc....i imagine a concentrated supplement would be easier to tolerate than loads of broccoli etc, but wonder if anyone can help me re the K? if we are on tamox, which increases risk for blood clots etc.

It is the opportunity to build what one loves into something permanent that makes this very difficult game worthwhile. mets skull, rib, hip, spine. Dx 8/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 14, 2011 04:29AM thats-life- wrote:

I found this Q and A online, but it was from a vitamin company:

Q "i have just started on coumadin for a DVT. Does broccoli extract contain vitamin K?

A "..Not that im aware of, we have not seen any studies that indicate vit K is present in broccoli extract"

Also this: It is extremely difficult to get too much vitamin K from a normal diet, but an overdose is possible if too much of the compound vitamin K3 is taken. An overdose can cause jaundice, anemia, flushing, and sweating.

apart from that, i couldnt find much on the question.

It is the opportunity to build what one loves into something permanent that makes this very difficult game worthwhile. mets skull, rib, hip, spine. Dx 8/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 20, 2011 11:04AM soulswithin wrote:

I just ceased taking tamoxifen after 4 months, but will probably go back on it after my doc appmt next week. I still have some questions about my personal risks.
What is amazing to me is how every natural agent that may help cancer is broken down to minute ingredients and what they do to help, but with tamox, the info is unavailable. Just a generalization to ease our minds. Not enough info for me. And i question the mixed accuracy and agenda on these drug studies.

I have to add though, that my first margins were too close to consider safe and the surgeon did a second margin which also had cancer in it. So cancer can be in more than one area of a circle, which was why i chose chemo, radiation and tamoxifen. Most reocurrances are because there is a stray cancer hidden from detection, and that was my final answer to the daunting decisions i made.

Linda, in the survival mode....You can see it in a wild cats eyes Dx 2/12/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Oct 9, 2011 12:29PM juliaw2025 wrote:

hi my name is julia, i am a cancer survivor i was diagnosed with breast cancer last year and they put me on Tamox. i was taking it, about a moth ago i stopped taking it because it really scared me about it's side affects one of them was where if you took it it would give you cancer in your other breast. so far my doctor dosnt know that i stopped taking it. ive been taking natual stuff to kill cancer cells i havent seen a doctor that is a specialist and alternative medicen i have been searching on the web but i cant find one that really is a specialist in breast cancer. i have been really strict with my diet i eat vegtables evrey day nothing that contains sugar, no white flour, no soy, no dairy, no gluten, and i chech my PH every day to make sure i am alkaline because like you know cancer likes to grow in an acidic body. i have been reading a couple books about cure cancer  with alternative medicin

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Oct 9, 2011 10:35PM - edited Oct 9, 2011 11:37PM by moderators

any form of cancer can also be treated with the use of these what we called alternative medicines since there are lots of alternative meds. available in the market which is sometimes less economical and much affordable than branded medicines, provided that you first consulted your doctor before trying out any of those meds you were planning to take to make sure that you'll get the same benefit as you were getting while using branded drugs.

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Oct 22, 2011 03:25PM noodle6 wrote:

I have just been diagnosed with cancer again after 5 years since a lumpectomy the first time (IDC both times, 2nd is very near where the 1st was). Following surgery I had chemo & radiation & have been on Tamoxifen for about 4 1/2 years. I'm considering alternative meds this time depending on the fianal diagnosis (awaiting an MRI & PET). I'm currently thinking mastectomy of 1 or maybe both. I'm thinking about quitting the Tamox, since I feel it hasn't worked, but my bs said  that maybe it did work in that it kept things at bay for 5 yrs. My se's are hot flashes, depression & an inability to lose weight regardless of working out (lots of belly fat). All in all, not bad, but for what? I get to do it all again? Seriously looking for alternatives this time.

Dx 10/2011, IDC, 1cm, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-

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