Topic: Alternative Treatment

Forum: Alternative Medicine — This forum is a safe, judgement-free place to discuss Alternative medicine. Alternative medicine refers to treatments that are used INSTEAD of standard, evidence-based treatment. Breastcancer.org does NOT recommend or endorse alternative medicine.

Posted on: Aug 8, 2011 07:32AM

Posted on: Aug 8, 2011 07:32AM

dougbrimor wrote:

Has anyone used alternative treatments such as Lorriane Day, Chris Beat Cancer, The Hallelujah Diet and skipped the cookie cutter 6 weeks of radiation and five years of Tamoifen?  I am so confused , even the 2011 cancer book that the radaition department gave me in my red folder states that radiation can cause a second cancer, that they are working on improving these satatics.  I read the whole book cover to cover and was just blown away by what they are admitting of these chemicals.  Anyway, would like to know if anyone else is swinging on this bridge?  Thanks

Dx 7/18/2011, <1cm, Stage I, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Apr 17, 2012 08:56PM dunesleeper wrote:

I must not go back to the chat room with the conventional ladies. I must not go back to the chat room with the conventional ladies. I must not go back to the chat room with the conventional ladies.

They make me crazy! They treat me like I have no sense or intelligence at all. And frankly, I think I actually hate them now.

Venting.

Charlene

Dx 2/7/2012, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 1/31 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/6/2012 Mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Surgery 9/3/2012 Reconstruction (right) Hormonal Therapy 8/19/2014 Arimidex (anastrozole) Dx 8/20/2014, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 4/17/2015, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 5/3/2015 Taxol (paclitaxel) Chemotherapy 7/9/2015 Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Gemzar (gemcitabine) Radiation Therapy 8/31/2015 External: Bone Targeted Therapy 10/23/2015 Ibrance (palbociclib)
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Apr 18, 2012 07:52AM - edited Apr 18, 2012 08:00AM by Ruby-

Charlene, do not go back there, stress kills  !

I've never used 'chat' Embarassed but am willing to try....

Abigail, hi ! I hope you did not wander too far....Smile I bumped into this info about Neem, sounds pretty good to me, will try to get tea and oil from health food store.  Hoping your grocery store opens SOON ! hugs little sister

"Anticancer biology of Azadirachta indica L (neem): a mini review"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21743298?dopt=Abstract

"Antioxidants such as azadirachtin and nimbolide that can simultaneously arrest the cell cycle and target multiple molecules involved in mitochondrial apoptosis offer immense potential as anti-cancer therapeutic drugs"

https://www.lablife.org/g?a=pubs_ll_no_user&id=20429769

"a fractionated neem-leaf extract known as IRAB with reported activities against Malaria, HIV/AIDS and ancer has been developed into a drug and currently marketed in Nigeria as IRACAP®"

http://www.ajol.info/index.php/njps/article/viewFile/52926/41527

Morphological and Molecular Characterisation of Ethanolic Neem (Azadirachta Indica) Leaf Extract In an in Vivo Breast Cancer Model

http://psasir.upm.edu.my/6786/

Neem (Azadirachta Indica) Leaf Preparation Prevents Leukocyte Apoptosis Mediated by Cisplatin plus 5-Fluorouracil Treatment in Swiss Mice

http://content.karger.com/produktedb/produkte.asp?typ=fulltext&file=000211558

Neem leaf preparation enhances Th1 type immune response and anti-tumor immunity against breast tumor associated antigen

http://www.mendeley.com/research/neem-leaf-preparation-enhances-th1-type-immune-response-antitumor-immunity-against-breast-tumor-associated-antigen/

Chemical compounds with identified anticancer effects include limonin glucopyranoside, azadirone, azadirachtin, nimbolide and deoxonimbolide, quercetin, and kaemferol, as well as the antioxidants beta-carotene and ascorbic acid. 2 , 3 , 9 , 10 , 11 , 24 , 25 Suggested mechanisms of action include up-regulation of immune response, 26 , 27 , 28 antioxidant/radical scavenging activity, 2 , 3antiandrogenic action, 29 inhibition of mitosis, 2 down-regulation of inflammation, 24 and modulation of phase 2 enzymes. 2 , 30

26. Mandal-Ghosh I, Chattopadhyay U, Baral R. Neem leaf preparation enhances Th1 type immune response and anti-tumor immunity against breast tumor associated antigen. Cancer Immun . Mar 30 2007;7:8.

http://www.drugs.com/npp/neem.html#ref26

I read that applying the oil is 'wonderfully soothing' Wink 

“The cell’s intracellular cytoplasmic sea is an ocean of symphonic motion awash with incomprehensible complexity.” Howes, M.D., Ph.D Dx 2010, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 1, 3/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Apr 18, 2012 08:56AM dunesleeper wrote:

Gotta come back to this info Maud. Sounds interesting, but I have to run!!!

Dx 2/7/2012, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 1/31 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/6/2012 Mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Surgery 9/3/2012 Reconstruction (right) Hormonal Therapy 8/19/2014 Arimidex (anastrozole) Dx 8/20/2014, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 4/17/2015, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 5/3/2015 Taxol (paclitaxel) Chemotherapy 7/9/2015 Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Gemzar (gemcitabine) Radiation Therapy 8/31/2015 External: Bone Targeted Therapy 10/23/2015 Ibrance (palbociclib)
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Apr 18, 2012 10:31AM dunesleeper wrote:

Wow Maud. That is a lot of information, but I bookmarked all the links.

Dx 2/7/2012, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 1/31 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/6/2012 Mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Surgery 9/3/2012 Reconstruction (right) Hormonal Therapy 8/19/2014 Arimidex (anastrozole) Dx 8/20/2014, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 4/17/2015, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 5/3/2015 Taxol (paclitaxel) Chemotherapy 7/9/2015 Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Gemzar (gemcitabine) Radiation Therapy 8/31/2015 External: Bone Targeted Therapy 10/23/2015 Ibrance (palbociclib)
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Apr 18, 2012 11:06AM Hindsfeet wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LXH-TJYS5w

iS THIS A CANCER MIRACLE?

Dx 6/13/2014, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Apr 18, 2012 11:28AM dunesleeper wrote:

There are lots of cancer txs out there that are suppressed by the mainstream. I have to see the rest of the video but seriously there are LOTS of possibilities. Once you learn them, you can then learn how to find them.

Dx 2/7/2012, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 1/31 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/6/2012 Mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Surgery 9/3/2012 Reconstruction (right) Hormonal Therapy 8/19/2014 Arimidex (anastrozole) Dx 8/20/2014, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 4/17/2015, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 5/3/2015 Taxol (paclitaxel) Chemotherapy 7/9/2015 Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Gemzar (gemcitabine) Radiation Therapy 8/31/2015 External: Bone Targeted Therapy 10/23/2015 Ibrance (palbociclib)
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Apr 18, 2012 12:02PM Ruby- wrote:

Dune, I know....but don't want to be haranged by the skeptics...

Evebarry, thanks for the link, that is truly a shame - I know someone somewhere wanted to know how to obtain it, don't know if she was successful. 

“The cell’s intracellular cytoplasmic sea is an ocean of symphonic motion awash with incomprehensible complexity.” Howes, M.D., Ph.D Dx 2010, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 1, 3/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Apr 18, 2012 01:13PM Momine wrote:

Eve, it may be, but we just don't know yet. From Wiki:

"On 24 September 2007, the Department of Medicine of Alberta University reported that after the trial funding was secured, both the Alberta local ethics committee and Health Canada approved the first DCA clinical trial for cancer.[23] This initial trial was relatively small with enrollment of up to 50 patients. The trial was completed in August 2009.[24]In May 2010 the team published a press release[25] stating no conclusions could be drawn as a result of the trial. A paper describing the results was published[26] but not linked from the press release. Only five patients had been treated with the drug during the trial.

In May 2011, online reports[27] suggested that the Alberta group had released new data which the media "had not reported". However, this appeared to be caused by confusion between dates (the previous update was May 2010[28]) and cancer charities moved quickly to counter these rumours,[29][30] which were subsequently covered in New Scientist magazine.[31]

The use of this compound as an anti-cancer agent has been patented.[32]" 

Dx 6/1/2011, ILC, 5cm, Stage IIIB, Grade 2, 7/23 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 6/19/2011 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Ellence (epirubicin), Fluorouracil (5-fluorouracil, 5-FU, Adrucil), Taxotere (docetaxel) Surgery 9/12/2011 Mastectomy: Left, Right Radiation Therapy 1/8/2012 Surgery 3/7/2012 Prophylactic ovary removal Hormonal Therapy 3/31/2012 Femara (letrozole)
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Apr 18, 2012 05:01PM dunesleeper wrote:

Alert:

I definitely do not recommend MMS. It has been renamed a number of times, trying to avoid the FDA. It is sometimes called Miracle Mineral Supplement, Master Mineral Supplement, and Advanced Oxygen Therapy. It was recommended to me by a friend, and she swears she has never felt better since she started taking it. However, it is poison. 

They refer to healing reactions or detox reactions during this tx. In other words, these are days you may be throwing up or having diarrhea. For me it was terrible stomach pain followed by vomiting.

I stopped taking it but my urine continued to smell strongly musty. When I looked that symptom up, I became very concerned. I called the guy who sold it to me and all sorts of red flags went up for me.

As I researched it more, I found that I had taken industrial strength bleach: chlorine dioxide. On the advice of a friend I called poison control. They wanted me to go to the ER. However, this was 2 days later. I drank a lot of water and forced myself to eat in order to try to eliminate it from my system.

The only thing they would be able to do for me is to check my GI track to see if it did any damage. Hopefully it did not. I only took it 2 days.

So, while I am determined to do alternative, I hope you will learn from my mistake. I don't think this is a good one to try.

Dx 2/7/2012, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 1/31 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/6/2012 Mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Surgery 9/3/2012 Reconstruction (right) Hormonal Therapy 8/19/2014 Arimidex (anastrozole) Dx 8/20/2014, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 4/17/2015, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 5/3/2015 Taxol (paclitaxel) Chemotherapy 7/9/2015 Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Gemzar (gemcitabine) Radiation Therapy 8/31/2015 External: Bone Targeted Therapy 10/23/2015 Ibrance (palbociclib)
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Apr 18, 2012 11:12PM Momine wrote:

Dune, how scary! I am glad you are OK, but I guess we can conclude that the profit motive is alive and well on both sides of the aisle and that we have to be vigilant about our treatments from all sources.

Dx 6/1/2011, ILC, 5cm, Stage IIIB, Grade 2, 7/23 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 6/19/2011 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Ellence (epirubicin), Fluorouracil (5-fluorouracil, 5-FU, Adrucil), Taxotere (docetaxel) Surgery 9/12/2011 Mastectomy: Left, Right Radiation Therapy 1/8/2012 Surgery 3/7/2012 Prophylactic ovary removal Hormonal Therapy 3/31/2012 Femara (letrozole)

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