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Posted on: Oct 22, 2011 09:52AM

LtotheK wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have been seeing a naturopath who did great things for me through chemo.  I don't want to be leading in my post, but I'm starting to feel like the clinic is pushing their supplement line and rather expensive tests.  I have a couple of questions.

1.  What do you all think of the efficacy of saliva hormone tests?

2.  Does Tamoxifen interfere with the results of those tests?

3.  My naturopath is recommending Methyl Protect by XMogen to assist COMT conversion of estrogens (my tests show more catabolic than anabolic activity, and therefore she says I am in a "state of breakdown")

Thoughts welcomed.  I always learn so much here.

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Oct 22, 2011 10:01AM Kaara wrote:

I'm new to this site and new to the possibility of a bc diagnosis; however, I have had my hormones tested and they used the saliva testing method.  I've never had it done before and the doctor found that I was low in a number of hormones and has succeeded in balancing them over the course of about nine months.  I feel much better and have more energy, so if it is all in my mind as my conventional doctor stated, so be it!  Also discovered that I was low in vitamin D which had never been picked up by my conventional doctors.

As for the effect Tamoxifen has on the tests, you should ask your ND about that.  I know I was told that I should be infection and antibiotic free for a minimum of two weeks before undergoing the saliva tests.  The fact that I had a bad upper respiratory infection had an impact on my CRP blood test, so they are sensitive.

I think you are doing the right thing to get additional support while going through chemo as it can wreck your body.  All the best to you. 

Kaara Dx 11/14/2011, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Oct 24, 2011 10:53AM peggy_j wrote:

LtotheK, I don't have much info but since you aren't getting many responses, I thought I'd share the little I know. ;)

I saw the supplement contains large does for B-vitamins. FWIW, one doc has warned against toxic effects of mega-doses of some vitamins but he said the B vitamins are water soluble (so you might have $ urine but no adverse impact of taking too much vit Bs?). I also saw that the first claim is that helps support Homocysteine Levels. Is this an issue for you? FWIW, I was tested for that last week, so it's easy to find out. (I believe that folate is a common "treatment" for Homocysteine issues.)   Sorry I can't address the main point of your question about it helping w/ estrogen levels.

BTW, on the saliva test, is there a benefit to using that vs. the blood test? (aside from not getting stuck with the needle?) 

Dx 2/2011, IDC, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Oct 24, 2011 11:11AM LtotheK wrote:

You gals are dolls.  Peggy, I appreciate the feedback.  I have no idea how homocysteine levels are checked, but my doc said my anabolic/catabolic relationship would benefit from these drugs.

Could you school me on the homocysteine issue?

Best to you!!

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Oct 24, 2011 11:59AM peggy_j wrote:

LtotheK, I know practically nothing on the homocysteine levels and to be honest, I'm feeling OD'd on all the health research this year (tangent: do you remember that Far Side comic where the boy's in class, raises his hand and says, "Teacher, may I be excused? My brain is full." That's how I feel)

Anyway, I'm concerned about blood clots on tamoxifen and have been pestering my MO to test me for all the blood clotting factors. Last week I wore her down and she relented to test me for two more (I said I wanted to be tested for everything; she sugggested two specific tests): one was the homocysteine (she said if I had it, it could be mitigated with folate). I still don't know much about it so if you google around you'll quickly know more than me. A fun fact: the blood test needs to stay on ice (!) and you get the results back the next day. But what it means and the impact (etc) ....I don't know. (and I tested in the normal range. hurrah) You probably know this, but if you go in for blood work, they poke you once and can draw vials for several different tests at the same time.

Dx 2/2011, IDC, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Oct 24, 2011 12:23PM dlb823 wrote:

LtotheK ~ My primary doctor has been monitoring my estrogen levels with bloodwork for a couple of years.  However, when I recently started going to a naturopathic doctor, she explained that our estrogen levels vary significantly throughout the day, so a blood test (and I would assume a saliva test, too) are only snapshots of what's happening at a specific moment.  What she ordered was a 24-hour urine test, and those results, based on the very complex and lengthy print out we got back from the specialized lab, are far more accurate and telling of what's really going on. That test is very expensive, but my insurance covered most of it.  (PM me for more info, if you're interested.)  

Homocysteine levels are checked with a simple blood test.  If yours are off (as mine were after chemo), normally a combination of Folic Acid, B6 & B12 are RX'd.  My PCP initially RX'd Metanx, but I quickly figured out I could get a natural version I felt better about using at a natural foods market.   Carlson Tri-B, NOW Homocysteine Regulators, and SOLGAR Homocysteine Modulators (my favorite) all work great.    Deanna

Deanna "The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears" Native American proverb Dx 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 1/3/2014, Stage IV
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Oct 24, 2011 12:25PM LtotheK wrote:

Cool, Peggy, and yes, I know exactly what you mean!  All the information I wish I never had to know.

I get poked by my onc all the time, nofunsville.  In fact, now that chemo is over, I have delayed trauma and it hurts like bejeezus and I get all sweaty when she does it.  I digress--the naturopath does saliva testing.  Dunno why.  I know saliva and urine are "free" tests, and they are considered by some to show the "real" amount of circulating hormone.

The longer I'm in the game, the more I realize for just about every argument, there's a "for" and "against".  I'm not one for the "go with your gut" model, I like logic.  But, there are limits, and the answers are often so very unclear.

I am going to check out this homocysteine issue!

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Nov 15, 2011 09:29PM crabbiepattie wrote:

Wow, Deanna, I'm surprised your insurance covered the hormone test. I just got a cheaper morning urine test considering I paid for it myself. It would be out-of-network and on that deductible anyway. Thanks for the info on the homocysteine products - didn't know about them!

Sorry to hijack the thread, but I'm not clear on folic acid any more. My gp recommended Thorne Methyl-Guard this spring to reduce my homocysteine level. I had some Solgar folic acid so I took that instead. I had to step up to 800 mcg in addition to the 400 in my multi to get my homocysteine level well into the good range. My gp recommended I change over to Solgar's folate (L-methylfolate-Metafolin) instead; I did so. But the natureopath I saw recently recommended I stop taking folic acid or folate because of the possibility of increasing my risk of recurrence. He even mentioned multivitamins without folic acid. Study results about folic acid and breast cancer are mixed. I stopped taking the folate and plan to talk to my gp. I might start taking it again.

Dx 6/8/2010, IDC, 5cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 3, 1/11 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
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Nov 16, 2011 11:44AM LtotheK wrote:

Two of my doctors (oncologist, rads onc) have recommended not taking any more than 100% RDA of any supplement for the exact reason you describe above, crabbiepattie.  Something to consider.

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