Topic: Fagonia Cretica (Virgin's Mantle)

Aug 25, 2012 02:42PM - edited Aug 25, 2012 02:42PM by kalee5

Aug 25, 2012 07:54PM leggo wrote:

Kalee, thanks for the info. Very kind of you to share.

Aug 28, 2012 11:48PM SimoneCurrim wrote:

Hey my mom has also been diagnosed with metastatic breast carcinoma ie ER, PgR and TTF 1 immunonegative and C erb B 2 is negative. We too are hoping that this could be a good form of alternate treatment. Have done some research and were made to understand that Fergonia cretica and Fergonia arabica are synonymous and the Hindi or Sanskrit word commonly used to describe is dhanvyas.
We have located the leaf form of it at a reliable source in Mumbai , India . The address is Hamidiya Dawakhana, 416 Pydhony, Opp Police station, Mumbai 400003.
There is also a source in karnal , Haryana where you can get the processed form of this product. They charge INR 3700 for a half kilo packet of this powder which is supposed to last for about 2 months.
Address is VHCA herbals, Vaidya Hukum Chand Ayurved Dhamasya, GT Road, Opp Cold Store , near Honey Garden Banquet Hall, Ayurved Dham Road, Gahrauda 132114, karnal , Haryana. Phone no + 91 8683800801, +91 9896217248

The recipe involves putting 25 gm of leaves or 3 tsp powder in 3 cups of water and then boiling it to make 2 cups of water and then straining and drinking on empty stomach.

Aug 29, 2012 12:38AM leggo wrote:

Sorry to be a pest Simone, but did you receive the product? If so, are you in the U.S. or Canada?

Sep 28, 2012 02:13PM - edited Sep 28, 2012 02:58PM by Moderators

Hello, Simone,

I, too, have been looking for a source for Fagonia Cretica.  Do you have any info on the cost and shipping from these suppliers yet?

 Thanks

(Edited by Mods to remove member's personal information)

Sep 28, 2012 09:05PM - edited Sep 28, 2012 09:08PM by leggo

I sent 118.74 (CAN) to the site mentioned above on Aug. 29th. To date, I have not received anything. Either, it's very slow (which could be the case from Mumbai), or he'll just keep my money and send nothing, or it will be confiscated at the border. After speaking to a few people, packages can take as long as 6 weeks from that destination. I guess I'll know for sure mid October if the site's legit or not. Have not rec'd any further communication from this company regarding my purchase....leaning towards never getting it.

On a positive note, there are quite a few health food stores that I called who are working on importing it. One is keeping in touch.....she says it might take a while, but she will get it, eventually. I think at this point, the best thing you can do is "call" anyone you can think of and "demand" they get it. If enough people create a stink, it will likely get to North America quicker. I make a few calls each week.

http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/67/topic/792425?page=3#post_3183422 

Edited to add link for other thread

Sep 29, 2012 09:27AM gailrcampbell wrote:

In researching the plant, F. cretica, there appears to be a variant native to the US, same family, known as F. californica also known as F. laevis that grows in the southwest. www.calflora.org has loads of info on this plant, its observed locations, who spotted what, when, where, etc.  It's also known as California fagonbush.  Seems like most sitings are around the mountains near Palm Desert.

In other part, I, too, have inquired of the first party mentioned by Simone.  No answer yet.  I also inquired of Ayurvedic Consultants, and Indian firm.  Their price on a pound of F. cretica bark (they didn't carry the leaves) was $680 (which I declined).  My inquiry of researcher Helen Griffiths as to what parts of the plant were used in their recently published study referenced in this discussion is also unanswered at the moment. 

Oct 4, 2012 11:44PM leggo wrote:

Hello Paul. I'm only speaking for myself here, but I would be just as interested in the plant being used as tea as I would be in an extract, even more so, actually, as that is how it is being used by the women of Pakistan.  I have spoken to several retailers; all are unable to import the plant to Canada at this point in time. If you have found a way, I'm happy to hear it and thank you for doing so. I'll be checking your website periodically for this product. That being said, I would have to check with a local botanist and chemist to ensure that the product is indeed fagonia cretica upon purchase. If it isn't, I will indeed do my best to shut it down. Not my first rodeo with a product being touted as something it is not. If it is genuine, I thank you and look forward to it's sale.

Oct 7, 2012 06:52AM leggo wrote:

I imagine a local University could help you in that regard. Sorry, can't recommend any, I'm in Western Canada.

Oct 9, 2012 04:11PM gailrcampbell wrote:

Hi,

I've been checking on import regs and have found out that the powdered form doesn't require an agricultural permit.  Here's the reply from USDA when I asked what I needed to do to import seeds and plant material:

"Here is some information for you. Please apply for the PPQ 587 application to receive an import permit for then dried leaves. Please also check with Customs and Border Protection, as every situation is different and they make the final decision as to whether or not something can come into the country. Powdered items do not require a permit because they are considered processed products.

FAQ link for Plants for Planting:
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_health/permits/faq/plants4planting_faqs.shtml

Phytosanitary Certificate:
The below link can help you obtain a Phytosanitary certificate. Type the name of the country in which the product is coming from and press go.
https://www.ippc.int/IPP/En/nppo.jsp

Plants for Planting Manual Link:
www.aphis.usda.gov/import_expo...

How to apply for a permit:
Please have a United States Resident/Legal alien who has a valid United States address fill out the application (attached, and fax it back to us, fax number on form). They can also fill these out on-line through the internet program e-Permits which we recommend (process attached, Note: the applicant must physically be in the United States for the start of the process). If it is frozen please indicate this on the application.

Customs:
Please declare all agricultural items on your Customs Declaration form and verbally to Customs. A Department of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection Agricultural Specialist officer will inspect the item and make the final determination as to if it is allowed into the United States. For more information concerning the Customs declaration process please contact them at (877) 227-5511 or view their website at www.cbp.gov and go to "ports" which is at the very bottom of the screen. Then scroll down to the state the port is in and find the direct contact information to that port.

Please let us know if you have any questions,

Thank you

Scott S. Kravetz
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Oct 10, 2012 05:10PM gailrcampbell wrote:

That's good to know, ZippyTea.

 The people whose product in the form of F. cretica bark I declined at $680 US, VHCA Herbals, wrote back with the following further information.  I asked some questions and was sent answers promptly.  I've included their responses but I apologize for their length.:

• Re: Inquiry re: Fagonia cretica‏
Photos |2:03
Dr. Nakra
To gail campbell
Dear Gail Campbell,

As per your Queries, we are hereby forwarding you all the details -

1. Do you carry simply the dried leaves, in bulk, or in prepared tea? Or is the product you carry comprised of both leaves and flowers for tea-making purposes?

We have Leaves and Flowers of F. cretica available with us and the Patients of Breast Cancer have been asking for a combination of both, so we have been providing the patients a powder of both Leaf and Flower. The Patients are then taking this powder as a Tea.
2. Can you tell me please the quantities and prices of such items of F. cretica that you carry (exclusive of shipping)?

For a single Patient, 300 Gms of Dosage is recommended every Month, so it becomes 10 Gms of Dosage for a day. We have been providing the Medicine worth 6 Months so the overall weight of the Parcel becomes around 2 Kgs.

Price of 6 Month of Medicine (prepared from a combination of Tea and Flower which can then be taken as an aqueous extract) - US Dollars 576.00

Transport Charges through DHL + Export Tax + Custom Duty - US Dollars 105.00
(Please do note here that as per DHL Norms, the above prices of Transport / Taxes / Custom Duty) shall remain the same if the overall weight of the Parcel is less than 5 Kgs. So any patient whose ordering for the Medicine in a weight less than 5 Kgs shall have to pay the charges as USD 105.00)

Net Price - US Dollars 576.00 + US Dollars 105.00 = US Dollars 680.00
3. In the case of the shipment you've made to Fremont, California, which is also on the US west coast, I'm thinking shipping charges would be approximately the same. Could you quote me the approximate shipping charges involved if I were to purchase (a) 1 lb and (5) lbs of product?

1 Lb = 0.45 Kg and it shall be equal to around 45 days of Medicine
3 Lb = 1.3 Kg and it shall be equal to around 4 months of Medicine

As mentioned earlier, the Shipping Charges + Export Tax + Custom Duty shall be the same for any parcel dispatched anywhere in the world and it shall be equal to US Dollars 105.00
As we are a Bulk supplier of Herbs across the world and also due to heavy custom duty imposed on the export of Herbs by Indian Income Tax Department, DHL have provided us a uniform slab of price so that we are able to provide our patients across all the world the medicines in a easy tax bracket.

The Medicine in powdered form or in raw dried form can be easily made available at any place across the world within a time span of 3 to 4 working days. And as we have been recommending a dosage of 6 months of Medicine, so it becomes equal to 2 Kg / 4.5 Lb. If the total weight of the parcel is less then 5 Kg / 11 Lb, the shipping charge shall remain equal to US Dollar 105.00 irrespective of the distance of country from India.

I have tried our best to answer all your queries in full depth, and please dont hesitate in sharing / discussing any query of yours related to the Medicine.

We can also provide you with the Email IDs of the Patient residing in UK or elsewhere and who are currently taking this Medicine for curing their Breast Cancer so that you can also share their experiences first hand.

We ourselves are also very much surprised, the Medicine has started its action within 24 hours of the intake and the very first sign which patients are telling - The Pain . As per their feedback, every patient is saying, the Pain was absolutely gone within a time span of 48 to 72 hours and after an intake of 3 weeks, the size of tumor has shrunk to about 40 %.

May GOD bless you and your family with best of Health n Happiness always

Regards
Dr Amit Nakra

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:58 PM, gail campbell wrote:
Dear Dr. Nakra,
Yes, I can see that you do ship F. cretica in the form of dried leaves and flowers to destinations all over the world. Thank you.

A few questions:
1. Do you carry simply the dried leaves, in bulk, or in prepared tea? Or is the product you carry comprised of both leaves and flowers for tea-making purposes?
2. Can you tell me please the quantities and prices of such items of F. cretica that you carry (exclusive of shipping)?
3. In the case of the shipment you've made to Fremont, California, which is also on the US west coast, I'm thinking shipping charges would be approximately the same. Could you quote me the approximate shipping charges involved if I were to purchase (a) 1 lb and (5) lbs of product?

I appreciate our ongoing discussion. Thank you for your time and attention to this inquiry.

Yours,
Gail R. Campbell

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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 20:46:21 +0530
Subject: Re: Inquiry re: Fagonia cretica
From: sales.vhcaherbals@gmail.com
To: gailrcampbell@hotmail.com

Dear Gail R Campbell,

This is to confirm with you that we have successfully dispatched Medicine Parcel of Fagonia cretica (Leaf and Flower only) to various destinations across world. The Product got dispatched through DHL Express Cargo Service within a time span of 3 to 4 working days. So we are just confirming the same with you, in case you were doubtful regarding the transit of parcel.

We can also provide you with the details of Consignment which is as follows -

You can check from the image below that all the Parcels of Fagonia cretica Tea are shipped with ease. For more details regarding Fagonia cretica you can visit - http://fagoniacreticaforcancer.com/

We are just writing this Mail to you in order to be help some patient of Breast Cancer which might be in the knowledge of yours as the feedback which is coming from patients after taking the herbal tea is really very encouraging and so we are confident, the Herbal tea of Fagonia cretica can be a boon for such patients. Its a very honest appeal from Dr Amit Nakra.

Please do feel free to consult regarding any more of such doubts / queries.

Regards

Dr Amit Nakra (Karnal), India

On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 4:01 AM, gail campbell wrote:
Hello,
I no longer require this plant material from you.
Thank you,
Gail R. Campbell
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If you still have any queries, please feel free to write me back or call at my number - +91 - 8683 - 800 - 801 between (9:00 AM - 9:00 PM IST)

Wishing you Health & Happiness always

Regards

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DR. AMIT NAKRA

BAMS (Sri Krishna Govt Ayurveda College & Hospital, Kurukshetra University), FRHS

Head of Department (Ayurveda Medicine)
VHCA Herbals
My Credentials (for your reference)

Regarding the referrals of my Organisation, where I am currently working as Project Director cum Head-of-Department (Ayurveda Medicine), I am hereby forwarding you a few online links regarding the same. All the Ayurveda Physicians are required to submit their documents with AYUSH and get the licence of practice from the Govt of India. My details regrading this can be seen on the below link, which is the official website of CCIM

http://www.ccimindia.org/center_register_search.php?states=6&name=amit+nakra&dept=1

http://www.AyurvedaConsultants.com/adgolden.aspx?ivalue=2

This mail is not meant for Medico-Legal matters and All Legal Matters to be solved only in the jurisprudence of Karnal District of Haryana. The patient is hereby agreeing to purchase the medicine on his / her own risk and neither NAKRA ayurveda nor Dr Amit Nakra is responsible for any damage to the medicines during shipment process or whle consuming.
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If you still have any queries, please feel free to write me back or call at my number - +91 - 8683 - 800 - 801 between (9:00 AM - 9:00 PM IST)

Wishing you Health & Happiness always

Regards
DR. AMIT NAKRA

BAMS (Sri Krishna Govt Ayurveda College & Hospital, Kurukshetra University), FRHS

Head of Department (Ayurveda Medicine)
VHCA Herbals

My Credentials (for your reference)

Regarding the referrals of my Organisation, where I am currently working as Project Director cum Head-of-Department (Ayurveda Medicine), I am hereby forwarding you a few online links regarding the same. All the Ayurveda Physicians are required to submit their documents with AYUSH and get the licence of practice from the Govt of India. My details regrading this can be seen on the below link, which is the official website of CCIM

http://www.ccimindia.org/center_register_search.php?states=6&name=amit+nakra&dept=1

http://www.AyurvedaConsultants.com/adgolden.aspx?ivalue=2

This mail is not meant for Medico-Legal matters and All Legal Matters to be solved only in the jurisprudence of Karnal District of Haryana. The patient is hereby agreeing to purchase the medicine on his / her own risk and neither NAKRA ayurveda nor Dr Amit Nakra is responsible for any damage to the medicines during shipment process or whle consuming

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The response provided pictures of a ground matter, purportedly dried leaves and flowers at the same price as bark for a 6 month supply, including instructions on use.  In looking at the pictures, which don't copy, the matter doesn't look like my concept of what a grind of dried flowers and leaves would look like. Dr. Nakra's examples of importers of his tea grind of F. cretica also did not copy.  Be that as it may, here is what was written to me:

Fagonia cretica Tea (Dhanvyaas)
Virgin's Mantle Tea / Virgon's Mantlem Tea

Healing BREAST CANCER with Medicinal Properties of Dhanvyaas (Fagonia cretica)
(Medicine made from Leaf & Flower of Herb)

Home
About Breast Cancer
How Fagonia cretica helps in Breast Cancer
Role of Fagonia cretica in Chemotherapy
Where & How to get Fagonia cretica
Contact Us

Fagonia cretica Flower Wednesday, October 10, 2012

The Powder of Leaf and Flower of Fagonia cretica has to be taken in the form of a Tea and this Medicinal Discovery is nothing less than a miracle for the Patients of Breast cancer. We are hereby listing a few of the references from very reputed newspapers so as to empower you with the knowledge on the subject and thus enabling yourself in the healing of Breast Cancer.

Not only does the cells of Cancer starts dying within a time span of 24 hours, but it also reduces the side effects of chemotherapy to a great deal. Nature has always gifted us with very wonderful Herbs and its just a matter of time when their need + usage are understood by the human mind.
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(Buy best Quality Fagonia cretica (Virgin's Mantle) Tea by calling on +91 - 98961 - 72224 or sending an Email on AsmiConsultancyHerbals@gmail.com)


Powder of Leaf and Flower of Fagonia cretica
Tea sealed in Humditiy Proof and Germ Free Packs
Packets of Tea locked in Boxes

Dose & Duration of Fagonia cretica Tea : The Medicine is recommended for a period of 6 Months for the patients of Breast Cancer as per Ayurveda texts.

All you need to know regarding the Procurement Information on Fagonia cretica Tea

» METHOD OF INTAKE of Fagonia cretica Tea / Virgin's Mantle Tea

10 Gms is the Daily Dose of Fagonia cretica tea to be taken as follows -
In the Morning on Empty Stomach around 7 AM -

1) Take 3 cups of water and pour in a vessel.
2) Take 10 Gms (3 Teaspoon) of Powder and mix in the vessel
3) Heat up the vessel till 2 cups shall remain
4) Let the solution cool off to a suitable temperature and then drink slowly (after filtering).
5) Breakfast can be taken 15 Minutes after taking the tea.

» PRICE (Costing) of Fagonia cretica Tea / Virgin's Mantle Tea
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One Month Dosage of Fagonia cretica Tea (Leaf & Flower): Rs. 4050.00 (For Indian Patients only)

The Parcel shall be delievered in a maximum time of 3 to 5 working days at the designated address and we shall be providing the customer with Consignment No. of Parcel so that Parcel can be tracked on courier website.

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For DISPATCH to Outside of India

Posted through DHL Express Cargo Service (Blue Dart) across all the Places of World

Six Month Dosage of Fagonia cretica Tea (Leaf & Flower): US Dollars 680.00 (For Foreign Patients outside of India)
You can proceed ahead to pay the amount in any currency of your choice and it has to be equal to US Dollars 680.00

Net Cost Payable (Including Cost of Medicine + DHL Transport + Taxes + Deductions etc.) : US Dollars 680.00 (6 Months of Medicine)

The Parcel shall be delievered in a maximum time of 3 to 5 working days at the designated address and we shall be providing the customer with Consignment No. of Parcel so that Parcel can be tracked on DHL website.

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Oct 11, 2012 05:18AM lightandwind wrote:

Many, maybe we will. Anyone willing to go first and report back? I'm going to go ahead w/ the Artemisinin since its more readily available and is in clinical trials, but definately going for this next. Maybe it will be easier to come by soon. Really excited to hear there might be hope. Sometimes these things sound too good to be true.

Oct 15, 2012 07:08PM gailrcampbell wrote:

And, as the study points out, the beneficial effect of F. cretica documented may differ for Asian and Caucasian breast cancer survivors.

Nov 4, 2012 03:54AM Shammns wrote:

I am located in New Mexico and originally from India . I plan to order this herb in big quantities so it is easy to ship within United States. Please let me know the quantities and interested users so I could place the order.

Nov 12, 2012 11:09AM gailrcampbell wrote:

Hello, Mr. Bhushan,

The original study describes how they got an extract from the plant.